How to explain 13.8 billion years?

[CGL1023]

The astronomers say the visible universe is 13.8 billion years old,
the vast distance can prove that.
Then, how valid is the Church to insist it is only 6000+ years old?

What I am taught is that the Adam started the line of humans that exist on the earth and that was close to but less than 6000 years ago.
As to the cosmos being very old, what I am taught is that Gen 1:1 was long ago and that the events described by Gen 1:2 span a long and indeterminate period.
These ideas can be presented to make sense to the listener. There are surely other ways people have of explaining the way things came to be and the intervals involved.

 

[dad]

What I am taught is that the Adam started the line of humans that exist on the earth and that was close to but less than 6000 years ago.
As to the cosmos being very old, what I am taught is that Gen 1:1 was long ago and that the events described by Gen 1:2 span a long and indeterminate period. .

Why stop there? Let's insert a few billion years between the rest of the verses of the bible also. We would have many trillions of years to play with.

 

[CGL1023]

Why stop there? Let's insert a few billion years between the rest of the verses of the bible also. We would have many trillions of years to play with.

I agree that it could be trillions for the age of the cosmos. The 6000 years comes from the 6 days of creation and one day representing a 1000 years as in 2 Pet 3:8.
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

 

[BobRyan]

myth and allegorical applied to biblical text needs to be done so with wisdom. To blanket the whole bible in allegory is not in good judgment.

And to argue that LEGAL code is mere myth and Legend -- LEGAL code such as the TEN Commandments is to argue against God's commandments themselves.

In LEGAL code we have this in Exodus 20

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[BobRyan]

I agree that it could be trillions for the age of the cosmos. The 6000 years comes from the 6 days of creation and one day representing a 1000 years as in 2 Pet 3:8. ”

It comes from adding up the chronologies in the Bible and then taking the Bible as a reliable historic document.

 

[High Fidelity]

Was the world not created mature?

 

[BobRyan]

Tell that to the pope.

Agreed - he could use a little more distance from that particular sector.

 

[BobRyan]

This is how you end up with flat-earthers and other such nonsense, by taking everything in the Bible literally.

Not in real life.'

In real life Bible-believing Christians started all the major sciences.

 

[JackRT]

Not in real life.'

In real life Bible-believing Christians started all the major sciences.

Yes, and in real life those scientists were almost immediately persecuted and sometimes killed by other Bible-believing Christians.

 

[Cappadocious]

Cap, I'm not sure what your point is. We were here to witness what happened last Thursday. We weren't here to witness what happened 6000 years ago.

How do you know you weren't just created last thursday, complete with older memories?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

The astronomers say the visible universe is 13.8 billion years old,
the vast distance can prove that.
Then, how valid is the Church to insist it is only 6000+ years old?

What makes you rely upon the fact that distance = age?? The church relies on the Word of God.

 

[JackRT]

What makes you rely upon the fact that distance = age?? The church relies on the Word of God.

"The church"??? Not all churches have a problem with either the ToE or the BBT. One might also ask "just what is the Word of God?" and "if the WoG exists, do know how to properly interpret it?"

 

[Timotius Danang]

in the beginning what God created was good.
so in Genesis 1:1 heaven and earth is perfect, but when the devil was cast to the earth, the earth became corrupted. so there is a period of time that we do not know between Genesis 1:1 to 1:2

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[DamianWarS]

My point is still valid. Whether they wrote it down or not, it was not passed down for 20 or 30 generations... it was third hand.

Also, we don't know if it was recorded some how or not. We know some of the stuff that Moses wrote was dictated to him by God. We don't know that he didn't have other scripts to access.

The long life of the pre-flood era can be argued a part of the myth but even if true your point is valid only for Shem not for Moses. The Israelites were in slavery for 400+ years of normal life span that you haven't included. And in the spirit of being literal you must include those years in your equation.

Certainly God is first hand information but that really doesn't clear up if the accounts are literal or not. We also should not start suspecting that Moses compiled other written accounts because the text does not say so. The Hebrews are an oral culture and the ones in Egypt had no leader and no organised system of faith with very limited knowledge of who God was. Their ability to preserve a written account would have been very difficult.

 

[DamianWarS]

And to argue that LEGAL code is mere myth and Legend -- LEGAL code such as the TEN Commandments is to argue against God's commandments themselves.

In LEGAL code we have this in Exodus 20

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

There are many metapors used in scriptures whether they are literal or not misses the point.

 

[Jesus_is_Saint]

Are there evidences against Big Bang theory?

 

[JackRT]

Are there evidences against Big Bang theory?

No scientific evidence that I am aware of. It is a very robust theory.

 

[dad]

Are there evidences against Big Bang theory?

Are there evidences against the Easter Bunny?

 

[JackRT]

Are there evidences against the Easter Bunny?

Live on in your fantasy world.

 

[dad]

Live on in your fantasy world.

There are no evidences against wild lying theories. Call them what you like.