New 3D Images From The Shroud Of Turin

[joshua 1 9]

Around 20 years ago Sony came out with something called Firewire. (IEEE 1394) They advertised that you could buy a Sony Video Camera and use a Firewire to digitalize your video on the computer. So I bought their camera and a new computer and I was excited to experiment with something new. Only I ran into problems so I contacted Sony and I contacted the people that made my computer. They told me to contact Texas Instrument because they made the IEEE 1394 board. Texas Instrument in Texas did not do anything to solve my problems. On the THIRD phone call they informed me that the problem was with the processer and Intel needed to deal with it. That was when Intel came out with the Pentium process that did nothing more then to deal with the Polarized problem associated with processing videos. Now it turns out that with NEW technology we are able to get 3D Images from the Shroud of Turin.

The skeptics and the scoffers believe the shroud is a fake. Yet the Shroud was around for a very long time before Cameras and photography came out and they found out that the should is a negative image and can be use to produce photos. NOW we are learning that with the computer the Shroud can be used to produce 3D Images. From an image that even the skeptics admit is over 1,000 years old.

This all reduces down to one point as far as I am concerned. IF the Shroud is a fake then it should be no problem for the infidels to duplicate it. Which they are not able to do. So for now the Shroud of Turin is evidence for the resurrection power of Jesus.

 

[Jimmy D]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...val-techniques-make-relic-say-scientists.html

Glad we've cleared that up then*.

*Not that there was any doubt.

 

[joshua 1 9]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...val-techniques-make-relic-say-scientists.html

Glad we've cleared that up then*.

*Not that there was any doubt.

Then duplicate it if it's a man made relic. Not that it would matter because the Shroud is still a testimony to Jesus having gone to calvary to die for our sins.

 

[Jimmy D]

They did, did you read the link?

This all reduces down to one point as far as I am concerned. IF the Shroud is a fake then it should be no problem for the infidels to duplicate it. Which they are not able to do. So for now the Shroud of Turin is evidence for the resurrection power of Jesus.

Do you concede that you may have been mistaken or will you shift the goalposts again?

 

[SkyWriting]

Around 20 years ago Sony came out with something called Firewire. (IEEE 1394) They advertised that you could buy a Sony Video Camera and use a Firewire to digitalize your video on the computer. So I bought their camera and a new computer and I was excited to experiment with something new. Only I ran into problems so I contacted Sony and I contacted the people that made my computer. They told me to contact Texas Instrument because they made the IEEE 1394 board. Texas Instrument in Texas did not do anything to solve my problems. On the THIRD phone call they informed me that the problem was with the processer and Intel needed to deal with it. That was when Intel came out with the Pentium process that did nothing more then to deal with the Polarized problem associated with processing videos. Now it turns out that with NEW technology we are able to get 3D Images from the Shroud of Turin.

The skeptics and the scoffers believe the shroud is a fake. Yet the Shroud was around for a very long time before Cameras and photography came out and they found out that the should is a negative image and can be use to produce photos. NOW we are learning that with the computer the Shroud can be used to produce 3D Images. From an image that even the skeptics admit is over 1,000 years old.

This all reduces down to one point as far as I am concerned. IF the Shroud is a fake then it should be no problem for the infidels to duplicate it. Which they are not able to do. So for now the Shroud of Turin is evidence for the resurrection power of Jesus.

Odd that the 3-D guy has a glint of sunlight showing on
his open eyes, in a cave covered in a shroud. The cloth
also seems to have Hi Definition resolution more than
sack cloth would normally resolve.

But with God, any resolution is possible, from cloth.
When I use cloth instead of film in my camera, I
get poorer resolution.

 

[crjmurray]

Around 20 years ago Sony came out with something called Firewire. (IEEE 1394) They advertised that you could buy a Sony Video Camera and use a Firewire to digitalize your video on the computer. So I bought their camera and a new computer and I was excited to experiment with something new. Only I ran into problems so I contacted Sony and I contacted the people that made my computer. They told me to contact Texas Instrument because they made the IEEE 1394 board. Texas Instrument in Texas did not do anything to solve my problems. On the THIRD phone call they informed me that the problem was with the processer and Intel needed to deal with it. That was when Intel came out with the Pentium process that did nothing more then to deal with the Polarized problem associated with processing videos. Now it turns out that with NEW technology we are able to get 3D Images from the Shroud of Turin.

The skeptics and the scoffers believe the shroud is a fake. Yet the Shroud was around for a very long time before Cameras and photography came out and they found out that the should is a negative image and can be use to produce photos. NOW we are learning that with the computer the Shroud can be used to produce 3D Images. From an image that even the skeptics admit is over 1,000 years old.

This all reduces down to one point as far as I am concerned. IF the Shroud is a fake then it should be no problem for the infidels to duplicate it. Which they are not able to do. So for now the Shroud of Turin is evidence for the resurrection power of Jesus.

 

[civilwarbuff]

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[Loudmouth]

Why am I not surprised that Joshua is a shroud enthusiast?

 

[Loudmouth]

The skeptics and the scoffers believe the shroud is a fake. Yet the Shroud was around for a very long time before Cameras and photography came out and they found out that the should is a negative image and can be use to produce photos.

The camera obscura was known in the 11th century, and DaVinci (the most likely source for the shroud) was well aware of the technology.

"Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519), familiar with the work of Alhazen in Latin translation and after an extensive study of optics and human vision, published the first clear description of the camera obscura in Codex Atlanticus (1502):"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura

 

[crjmurray]

The camera obscura was known in the 11th century, and DaVinci (the most likely source for the shroud) was well aware of the technology.

"Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519), familiar with the work of Alhazen in Latin translation and after an extensive study of optics and human vision, published the first clear description of the camera obscura in Codex Atlanticus (1502):"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura

Neat.

 

[Goonie]

The camera obscura was known in the 11th century, and DaVinci (the most likely source for the shroud) was well aware of the technology.

"Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519), familiar with the work of Alhazen in Latin translation and after an extensive study of optics and human vision, published the first clear description of the camera obscura in Codex Atlanticus (1502):"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura

Problem with that is that the shroud is first reported in 1389/90 before Leonardo is born.
http://www.badarchaeology.com/out-of-place-artefacts/mysterious-objects/turin_shroud/

This being in a letter also saying it is a fake, and that someone had tracked down the forger

 

[SkyWriting]

This all reduces down to one point as far as I am concerned. IF the Shroud is a fake then it should be no problem for the infidels to duplicate it. Which they are not able to do.

That's a good point. It is said to be a 1000 year old fake.
But few have ideas on how it was created so long ago.

 

[Jimmy D]

That's a good point. It is said to be a 1000 year old fake.
But few have ideas on how it was created so long ago.

The Shroud of Turin - revered as the cloth that covered Jesus in the tomb – is a man-made relic, according to scientists who reproduced a copy of the famous fabric.

Italian chemist Luigi Garlaschelli said his experiment proves that earlier carbon dating of the shroud to the 14th century was correct.

He used materials and techniques that were available in the Middle Ages to explain how a negative image of a crucified man could be imprinted centuries before the invention of photography.

Spot the difference: Negative images of the Shroud of Turin (left) and a modern replica made by scientists

Professor Garlaschelli said his team used the same type of woven linen as the shroud and first artificially aged by heating it in an oven and washing it with water.

The cloth was then placed on a student, who wore a mask to reproduce the face, and rubbed with red ochre, a well known pigment at the time.

The entire process took a week, said Professor Garlaschelli of the University of Pavia.

His replica even includes the spots which, on the original, were said to show blood seeping out of Christ’s nailed hands and feet.

The scientists were commissioned by a group of sceptics and atheists called the Italian Committee for Checking Claims on the Paranormal.



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[Kylie]

If the Shroud is genuine, why is there no image of the top of his head? The only way it could work is if the guy in it was a cardboard cut out.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The Shroud of Turin - revered as the cloth that covered Jesus in the tomb – is a man-made relic, according to scientists who reproduced a copy of the famous fabric.

Wonderful, show me the 3D photos he was able to produce with his forgery. Did he use real blood? "The Shroud contains real blood stains consisting of human male DNA, and a blood type that is AB"

"There is overwhelming forensic evidence on the Shroud indicating that it is the image of man who was both scourged and crucified"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Shroud_of_Turin

The scientists were commissioned by a group of sceptics and atheists

How much money did they get you for?

 

[crjmurray]

Wonderful, show me the 3D photos he was able to produce with his forgery. Did he use real blood? "The Shroud contains real blood stains consisting of human male DNA, and a blood type that is AB"

"There is overwhelming forensic evidence on the Shroud indicating that it is the image of man who was both scourged and crucified"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Shroud_of_Turin

How much money did they get you for?

Just let this one go bubbula

 

[Goonie]

Wonderful, show me the 3D photos he was able to produce with his forgery. Did he use real blood? "The Shroud contains real blood stains consisting of human male DNA, and a blood type that is AB"

"There is overwhelming forensic evidence on the Shroud indicating that it is the image of man who was both scourged and crucified"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Shroud_of_Turin

How much money did they get you for?

Well it is a good thing that we have the New Testament to settle this
John 20:7
"And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself."
John describes Jesus's burial shroud, and it consisted of more than one piece, with a separate cloth for the face.

So the shroud of Turin according to the bible is not the burial shroud of Jesus.

Glad to to have settled this particular debate.

 

[joshua 1 9]

John describes Jesus's burial shroud, and it consisted of more than one piece, with a separate cloth for the face.

Yes they do have the other piece of cloth. They just do not make as big of a deal out of it as they do the shroud.

"The Sudarium of Oviedo, or Shroud of Oviedo, is a bloodstained piece of cloth measuring c. 84 x 53 cm (33 x 21 inches) kept in the Cámara Santa of the Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo, Spain". wiki

You have shown that the Bible is accurate and true.

 

[Papias]

Both tests as well as observation show the shroud to be a work of art, not the burial shroud of anyone.

There is too much evidence to list, but some of the more clear lines of evidence include:

• The complete reproduction of the shroud mentioned by Jimmy.
• The red ocher paint used - common in Europe in the Middle ages. It's simply a painting of Christ on cloth.
• the carbon dating by three different labs commissioned by the Vatican - all giving the same date in the 13th century.
• The historical record listing that it was known to be a forgery in the 13th century, and that they even knew who painted it.
  
• The cloth weave is that kind from the 13th century, not the simplier weave used in ancient Jerusalem.

• The fact that it doesn't match the gospel account. Even John Calvin saw this, and stated that "either Saint John is a liar, or the shroud is a fake".

• The painting itself- if you wrap or even drape a flexible cloth on a face, the face is widened, with the ears showing. The shroud doesn't match this.

• The painting itself doesn't show a human being - the forehead is shrunken, as if Christ suffered from microcephaly. Or Jesus was a neanderthal?!?

• The painting itself doesn't show a human being - the facial dimensions don't fit a human (such as eyebrowns to chin/width of face) - in the opposite direction as that expected from cloth, as well.

• The painting itself doesn't show a human being - the arms are different lengths. The Romans would have had to make the cross with one side arm longer than the other.

• The painting itself doesn't show a human being - the hands over the penis pose is impossible - try it yourself: Lay on your back, place your hands over your genitals, then relax your arms (as if dead) - your arms are too short to cover your genitals. And why would a dead guy cover his penis anyway? Of course, a Gothic artist would cover the penis if this were a piece of art of public (not pubic) display.

• and many more.

There's better evidence for space aliens than there is for the Shroud of Turin being anything other than artwork.

Wonderful, show me the 3D photos he was able to produce with his forgery.

that software can make a 3D face from anything. Heck, my 14 year old son can make a 3D face on his computer from his own crude sketches.

W Did he use real blood? "The Shroud contains real blood stains consisting of human male DNA, and a blood type that is AB"

Um, human blood is very easy to come by. Just nick yourself if you'd like some to put on your artwork.

Seriously, taking this artwork as the actual burial cloth of Jesus requires us to avoid looking at it with our own eyes.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Goonie]

Yes they do have the other piece of cloth. They just do not make as big of a deal out of it as they do the shroud.

"The Sudarium of Oviedo, or Shroud of Oviedo, is a bloodstained piece of cloth measuring c. 84 x 53 cm (33 x 21 inches) kept in the Cámara Santa of the Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo, Spain". wiki

You have shown that the Bible is accurate and true.

Wrong! Read John, the head cloth is separate from the shroud. The shroud of Turin is one piece and includes the head!