My Next Apple Challenge

[[serious]]

The "origin of the device" is the first word of this challenge.

And documentation of the origin of the device with such a serial number doesn't work why exactly?

 

[[serious]]

Serial numbers are not evidence of creatio ex nihilo.

They can rule out typical iPad origins as I explained.

 

[AV1611VET]

They can rule out typical iPad origins as I explained.

Only on paper.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Only on paper.

And in reality -- without a serial number, it's not an iPad.

But we've already established that the iPad in question is fake with a fake history.

So really, the question is: Can God create a counterfeit that is indistinguishable from the genuine article?

And I don't think anyone is denying that yes, He can.

 

[quatona]

And in reality -- without a serial number, it's not an iPad.

But we've already established that the iPad in question is fake with a fake history.

So really, the question is: Can God create a counterfeit that is indistinguishable from the genuine article?

And I don't think anyone is denying that yes, He can.

I´m wondering why Apple doesn´t use this fact for their purposes. They could easily refuse each single warranty case with reference to the fact that the defective iPhone could have been created by God ex nihilo.

 

[AV1611VET]

And in reality -- without a serial number, it's not an iPad.

But we've already established that the iPad in question is fake with a fake history.

So really, the question is: Can God create a counterfeit that is indistinguishable from the genuine article?

And I don't think anyone is denying that yes, He can.

Can He create a planet ex nihilo with just as much evidence (zero) left behind?

 

[VirOptimus]

Can He create a planet ex nihilo with just as much evidence (zero) left behind?

Why not? Can he/she/it insert false memories too?

 

[Nicky Blass]

Can He create a planet ex nihilo with just as much evidence (zero) left behind?

If it looks like no one or nothing in particular did it why would anyone assume that they did?

The first problem is the word "He", what is the "He"? the only way all religions work is if they assume without any evidence that there is a "He", once they overcome that problem "ALL" things become possible.

 

[[serious]]

Only on paper.

How so? If apple says, "well, we didn't make that ipad" then thats supporting evidence

 

[Loudmouth]

Can He create a planet ex nihilo with just as much evidence (zero) left behind?

God could have created the entire Universe just yesterday, complete with a false history, false memories, and a false Bible.

After all, if God is willing to deceive us with the creation then why should we believe the Bible?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Can He create a planet ex nihilo with just as much evidence (zero) left behind?

A real planet, or a convincing imitation?

 

[Nithavela]

God creates an iPad ex nihilo and gives it to you.

Everyone you tell laughs at you.

Convince them otherwise, or explain why you can't.

They are propably laughing because they prefer Samsung.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They are propably laughing because they prefer Samsung.

A real god would know that, and not try to stick you with an iPad knockoff.

 

[Nithavela]

A real god would know that, and not try to stick you with an iPad knockoff.

qed

 

[quatona]

God creates an iPad ex nihilo and gives it to you.

Actually, I think now that God has already created the universe, there is no way for God to create anything ex nihilo - because there isn´t any more nihilum to create something from.
(But maybe God first created nihilum from something again, and then re-created everything including the iPad ex nihilo?)

 

[pgp_protector]

Can God actually create ex nihilo, after all an idea is something so God is at minimum creating from an idea.
(That he copied from humans in this case)

Also Would God create something that is NOT Perfect?

 

[quatona]

Also, the idea of ex nihilo creation makes it sound like God is nothing.

 

[AV1611VET]

God could have created the entire Universe just yesterday, complete with a false history, false memories, and a false Bible.

After all, if God is willing to deceive us with the creation then why should we believe the Bible?

I noticed you stopped just shy of mentioning "with zero evidence."

You guys are so dead-set on thinking there should be evidence, you need to feature creep a simple challenge until it's something you can accuse God of doing.

And even then you won't admit zero evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

I noticed you stopped just shy of mentioning "with zero evidence."

You guys are so dead-set on thinking there should be evidence, you need to feature creep a simple challenge until it's something you can accuse God of doing.

And even then you won't admit zero evidence.

You are the one who says that evidence can take a hike. It isn't us who reject evidence.

You are also the one who has God creating fake evidence, not us.

 

[quatona]

You guys are so dead-set on thinking there should be evidence, you need to feature creep a simple challenge until it's something you can accuse God of doing.

I don´t think there should be evidence for things that never happened.