How has scientific knowledge affected your faith?

[Mountain_Girl406]

How can I hold simultaneously the idea that there was no global flood and there was a global flood? The evidence and basic physics support there not being a global flood, the Bible suggests there is.

 

[AV1611VET]

How can I hold simultaneously the idea that there was no global flood and there was a global flood?

By assuming God cleaned up the mess.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

By assuming God cleaned up the mess.

And why would God do that? To hide from humanity?

 

[AV1611VET]

And why would God do that?

For sanitary and safety reasons.

In fact, God repopulated the earth with plant life.

Genesis 8:11a And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off:

Do you clean up after yourself, or were you ever told to?

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

For sanitary and safety reasons.

In fact, God repopulated the earth with plant life.

Do you clean up after yourself, or were you ever told to?

I'm talking about the fossil record, not the fact that the earth doesn't look like it was recently flooded. A global flood would have left evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm talking about the fossil record, not the fact that the earth doesn't look like it was recently flooded. A global flood would have left evidence.

Assuming the fossil record consists of animals that died in the Flood and ...

Assuming that God cleaned up the mess ...

Let's assume He did it two ways:

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Assuming the fossil record consists of animals that died in the Flood and ...

Assuming that God cleaned up the mess ...

Let's assume He did it two ways:

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

But if God altered the fossil record so that the evidence showed the flood didn't occur, why did he do that? If He made the earth appear to be ancient, when in fact it's only 6000 years old, why?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I have explained the matter ad nauseam.

Disagree.

Instead, you used many, many,...many words to simply declare that certain physical claims aren't allowed to be tested and should just be "believed". And the only requirement to qualify for such a claim, seems to be that it should be part of the particular religion you happen to believe in.

But what I really think, is that the actual requirement is that
1. it should be part of the religion you adhere to
and
2. if tested, the claim will be shown to be false or very unlikely

Because I'm quite sure, that you wouldn't hesitate for a second to use scientific evidence that you think fits into "biblical history". Amirite?

(As to cars etc. proving the validity of science, you again parade your ignorance of what science actually is.)

Science is a method to study the natural world / reality.
Using this method results in models about phenomena of nature, on how they work.
Those models represent our body of knowledge of "how stuff works".
That knowledge is then used in a practical way, to build new technology.
The end product of which, are things like cars, computers, healthier lives,..

Science is a very good and succesful way to differentiate between truth (small 't') and fiction.

And you have given me exactly zero reasons for why this method shouldn't be applied to investigate claims about human ancestry or geological phenomena.

 

[Jimmy D]

But if God altered the fossil record so that the evidence showed the flood didn't occur, why did he do that? If He made the earth appear to be ancient, when in fact it's only 6000 years old, why?

He works in mysterious ways?

3000 years ago he was all "do this, do that", poking round in people's business. Now we can see that there's no evidence of what he's done and the stories don't ring true he's apparently changed tactic and is testing our faith by his absence, funny that.

 

[DogmaHunter]

As we cannot ascertain what is absolutely true, if someone held a view of literal belief in Harry Potter then to that person it would be as valid as anything else.

What about to reality? Or any other person?

Yes, to the schizorfrenic, the voices in his head are as real as the empire state building, but there is a reason why we put them on meds, or in sealed psychiatric wings at hospitals.

Can we "absolutely prove" that these voices aren't real?
No? How about that...

 

[Simmo11]

He works in mysterious ways?

3000 years ago he was all "do this, do that", poking round in people's business. Now we can see that there's no evidence of what he's done and the stories don't ring true he's apparently changed tactic and is testing our faith by his absence, funny that.

Gods are so conspicuous by their absence it would be reasonable to say that Gods seem not to exist outside of a people's minds.

 

[AV1611VET]

But if God altered the fossil record ...

Assuming God did it according to my pet theory, God did not alter the fossil record.

There was no fossil record.

Just an Ark floating on top of water, with "floaties" floating all around on the surface and clear to the "ocean" floor.

When everything dried up -- at God's command -- things were placed "decently and in order" in sediment layers.

Like making a bed: bed sheet first, blanket, bed spread.

 

[AV1611VET]

He works in mysterious ways?

Yes.

3000 years ago he was all "do this, do that", poking round in people's business. Now we can see that there's no evidence of what he's done and the stories don't ring true he's apparently changed tactic and is testing our faith by his absence, funny that.

Welcome to the world of dispensation theology and ontological subordination.

 

[lesliedellow]

Assuming God did it according to my pet theory, God did not alter the fossil record.

There was no fossil record.

Just an Ark floating on top of water, with "floaties" floating all around on the surface and clear to the "ocean" floor.

When everything dried up -- at God's command -- things were placed "decently and in order" in sediment layers.

Like making a bed: bed sheet first, blanket, bed spread.

And all of that you of course found in the Bible. Or perhaps not, and not from science either. You just pulled it out of your own head.

 

[AV1611VET]

And all of that you of course found in the Bible. Or perhaps not, and not from science either. You just pulled it out of your own head.

Either that, or I quoted some verses in my posts.

 

[Jimmy D]

Yes.Welcome to the world of dispensation theology and ontological subordination.

Dispensation theology can take a hike.

 

[Simmo11]

Yes.Welcome to the world of dispensation theology and ontological subordination.

In other words welcome to the world of imagined nonsense.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Assuming God did it according to my pet theory, God did not alter the fossil record.

There was no fossil record.

Just an Ark floating on top of water, with "floaties" floating all around on the surface and clear to the "ocean" floor.

When everything dried up -- at God's command -- things were placed "decently and in order" in sediment layers.

Like making a bed: bed sheet first, blanket, bed spread.

Bodies of animals don't float for very long, with variations in body type. If the fossils were put down that way, humans should appear in it before birds do.

 

[Ophiolite]

Assuming God did it according to my pet theory, God did not alter the fossil record.

There was no fossil record.

Just an Ark floating on top of water, with "floaties" floating all around on the surface and clear to the "ocean" floor.

When everything dried up -- at God's command -- things were placed "decently and in order" in sediment layers.

Like making a bed: bed sheet first, blanket, bed spread.

And if you were willing to accept my offer of recommending books on paleaontology and sedimentation then you would understand why your suggestions are silly. I regret you elect to remain ignorant and seem almost proud of the decision.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bodies of animals don't float for very long, with variations in body type. If the fossils were put down that way, humans should appear in it before birds do.

But what if God shook the earth like it was one of those snow crystal things you see at Christmas time?