Calvinism, explained.

[nobdysfool]

Exactly.

Unfortunately, that's not the teaching of Calvinism:

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not.

Apparently you missed that God's choosing who to save before the foundation of the world is not the same as His judgment of all men for their actions on earth after they die.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Thursday]

It's the exact same thing. Feel free to explain the difference.

Good luck!

Here's another gem!!!

The Westminster Confession of Faith states, "God has predestined and foreordained some men and angels to everlasting life out of His free grace and love without any foresight of faith or works in man or perseverance in either of them, and others are foreordained to everlasting death and the number of either is so certain and definite that it cannot be increased or diminished."

 

[Albion]

Hmmm.....
What point do you think Paul is making here?

Romans 2
6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

That God will render unto each one according to what he does. The elect will believe and respond with changed lives. The unredeemed won't. It's not any more complicated than that, and you shouldn't be trying to read between the lines to find some other meaning.

 

[Thursday]

Here's another gem!!!

The Westminster Confession of Faith states, "God has predestined and foreordained some men and angels to everlasting life out of His free grace and love without any foresight of faith or works in man or perseverance in either of them, and others are foreordained to everlasting death and the number of either is so certain and definite that it cannot be increased or diminished."

Compare this to scripture:

6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seekinga and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

 

[nobdysfool]

Here's another gem!!!

The Westminster Confession of Faith states, "God has predestined and foreordained some men and angels to everlasting life out of His free grace and love without any foresight of faith or works in man or perseverance in either of them, and others are foreordained to everlasting death and the number of either is so certain and definite that it cannot be increased or diminished."

The Truth is sometimes hard to accept, isn't it?

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[nobdysfool]

It's obvious the Catholic is feeling cornered, so he's throwing anything and everything against the wall, hoping something will stick....

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[Thursday]

The Truth is sometimes hard to accept, isn't it?

You are proving the point.

You deny the crystal clear words of scripture because they contradict your man made dogma.


What did Paul mean?

6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seekinga and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

 

[nobdysfool]

You are proving the point.

You deny the crystal clear words of scripture because they contradict your man made dogma.


What did Paul mean?

6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seekinga and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

Again, you are missing a very important point. The scripture you quote is about the judgment, at the end of the age, not about Election of some to salvation before the foundation of the world.

 

[Thursday]

It's obvious the Catholic is feeling cornered, so he's throwing anything and everything against the wall, hoping something will stick....

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Again, you are missing a very important point. The scripture you quote is about the judgment, at the end of the age, not about Election of some to salvation before the foundation of the world.

You deny the words of scripture.

Paul tells us plainly that we will be judged according to our works.

Salvation is only for those who endure.

 

[nobdysfool]

You deny the words of scripture.

Paul tells us plainly that we will be judged according to our works.

Salvation is only for those who endure.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, SIR! You have tried to move the playing field. Election unto salvation happened before the foundation of the world. It is not based on any foreseen action or faith of those chosen.

The Judgment is at the end of the age, taking place AFTER they die, and is based on what they have done while alive. Those who are in Christ will not face this judgment, for they are in Christ, and He has paid the penalty for their sins, and they are not judged for their sins, because of Christ.

Two different scenarios, two different situations, and they are NOT related. You are the one denying scripture.

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[jimmyjimmy]

Calvinists claim that their election is unconditional and unrelated to God's judgment of their lives on earth.

Do you deny this?

Your sentence is a little confusing, so try not to clump things together when we are trying to iron out these things in order to prevent confusion.

God's election happened before the foundations of the earth, and it is not conditioned on one's obedience to the law. I would submit Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 as proof of this.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I'm not sure. We make choices about where we are going to live.

Did a child born born on a mountain in Tibet 1,500 years ago choose to be born there? Also, did God have any control over this event? Did He choose the child born there?

 

[nobdysfool]

Your sentence is a little confusing, so try not to clump things together when we are trying to iron out these things in order to prevent confusion.

God's election happened before the foundations of the earth, and it is not conditioned on one's obedience to the law. I would submit Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 as proof of this.

See my post #606...

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[jimmyjimmy]

Yes.

Your turn, "thatbrian."

Is this a "tag team" event?

 

[Thursday]

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, SIR! You have tried to move the playing field. Election unto salvation happened before the foundation of the world. It is not based on any foreseen action or faith of those chosen.

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That's Calvinist dogma.

Scripture clearly contradicts it. Salvation is based on our cooperation with the grace of God.

We are not just lucky names pulled from the hat.

God judges each mans work impartially.

God will judge you and I for our actions on earth, among other things.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Here's another gem!!!

The Westminster Confession of Faith states, "God has predestined and foreordained some men and angels to everlasting life out of His free grace and love without any foresight of faith or works in man or perseverance in either of them, and others are foreordained to everlasting death and the number of either is so certain and definite that it cannot be increased or diminished."

Giving an account to your Father for your life is not the same as receiving the penalty for your sin/failure to conform to the entire law of God.

 

[Albion]

Is this a "tag team" event?

Not exactly, but he actually address that question to you and I jumped in there just because it was in front of me and so easy to answer.

 

[nobdysfool]

That's Calvinist dogma.

Scripture clearly contradicts it. Salvation is based on our cooperation with the grace of God.

We are not just lucky names pulled from the hat.

God judges each mans work impartially.

God will judge you and I for our actions on earth, among other things.

You do not have a clue about Calvinism, that much is glaringly obvious.

You are conflating two different situations, and claiming that God choose who to save based on what they do in their lives, making God very much a respecter of persons under your false dogma. And you doing so because you are desperate, because your error has been shown to be error, and you're trying to wiggle out of it.

 

[Thursday]

Giving an account to your Father for your life is not the same as receiving the penalty for your sin/failure to conform to the entire law of God.

And therefore...?

According to Paul, what standards will God choose when electing us to eternal life?

Faith? Yes. Works? Yes

Lottery? No

 

[Thursday]

You are conflating two different situations, and claiming that God choose who to save based on what they do in their lives,

What does Paul say?

Romans 2
. 6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.