socialism

[Rhamiel]

Then please, in all seriousness, tell me what is the capitol p pope for?

he is for people being responsible
with the economy, with the environment
showing mercy on those less fortunate

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

Public libraries and education are socialism.

We should all vote for anyone who opposes any of these.

Medicare is probably socialist because it is a major industry, Medicaid is a social safety net program

libraries are not socialist, it is not a major industry, it does not horribly alter the fabric of our society to have them, we have had those for generations
people still go to book stores, people are still MOTIVATED by market incentives
people still have a chance to make a living and make a better life for themselves and for their children
they are not being taxed to death by liberals who think "it should be very hard to be rich"
who try to take away almost all the money you want to leave your children in inherence taxes

 

[Rhamiel]

the bases of Socialism is Class warfare

it is demonic because it seeks hate and animosity between the different classes
envy is the basis of it
wanting to take from people who have it better, destroy their homes, destroy them

this is NOT the message of the Gospel
the Gospel is about love, about generosity

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I did read the entire thread, just the OP.

Pop Pius XII was speaking in the context of speaking against Communist and Fascist Socialism as in Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia at that time, and not about social justice and the government's responsibility to care for the poor and elderly.


Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

 

[benedictaoo]

A basic thing like a modicum of r-e-s-p-e-c-t for Our Lord's Shepherd on Earth...

Yep... Like I don't know that....but its not either or. Where is the care for the soul? Its that you place needs of the body far ahead the soul. Its that there is zero spirituality and 100% humanism. The Church condemned humanism. All I get from y'all is humanism. And your dragging the capital p pope into this.

 

[mark46]

I did read the entire thread, just the OP.

Pop Pius XII was speaking in the context of speaking against Communist and Fascist Socialism as in Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia at that time, and not about social justice and the government's responsibility to care for the poor and elderly.


Jim

That seems clear. Since the Catholic Workers were active in the US at the time. the Church could have spoken out against their activity (rather than supporting them).

 

[benedictaoo]

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

Public libraries and education are socialism.

We should all vote for anyone who opposes any of these.

Exactly and there is debate if those things have proven to be beneficial.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Yep... Like I don't know that....but its not either or. Where is the care for the soul? Its that you place needs of the body far ahead the soul. Its that there is zero spirituality and 100% humanism. The Church condemned humanism. All I get from y'all is humanism. And your dragging the capital p pope into this.

Today's gospel reading was about the temptations of the devil. Socialism is the temptation of living on bread alone.

Luke 4:1-13

And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led by the Spirit for forty days in the wilderness, tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing in those days; and when they were ended, he was hungry. The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread." And Jesus answered him, "It is written, `Man shall not live by bread alone.'" And the devil took him up, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him, "To you I will give all this authority and their glory; for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will worship me, it shall all be yours." And Jesus answered him, "It is written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.'" And he took him to Jerusalem, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here; for it is written, `He will give his angels charge of you, to guard you,' and `On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'" And Jesus answered him, "It is said, `You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'" And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time.

 

[Picky Picky]

I think not. Socialists believe in the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. President FDR clearly didn't. Democratic Socialists believe in the common ownership of production, distribution and exchange, governed by the people. President FDR didn't. On the whole the policies Americans believe are Socialist — welfare, progressive taxation, state medical provision, etc. — would be regarded by the rest of the world as compatible with liberalism, social democracy, Christian democracy, centrist Conservatism ... or indeed Catholic social teaching. This is one of the ways the United States is ... how shall I put this? ... unusual.

 

[benedictaoo]

Today's gospel reading was about the temptations of the devil. Socialism is the temptation of living on bread alone.

And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led by the Spirit for forty days in the wilderness, tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing in those days; and when they were ended, he was hungry. The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread." And Jesus answered him, "It is written, `Man shall not live by bread alone.'" And the devil took him up, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him, "To you I will give all this authority and their glory; for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will worship me, it shall all be yours." And Jesus answered him, "It is written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.'" And he took him to Jerusalem, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here; for it is written, `He will give his angels charge of you, to guard you,' and `On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'" And Jesus answered him, "It is said, `You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'" And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time. (Luke 4:1-13)​

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Thank you. Somebody gets it. MG is open about her struggle to have faith. She's looking for faith in the wrong place. It's not going to be found in humanism. Humanism is void of faith.

 

[benedictaoo]

Yeah right. Keep dreaming.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Socialism is where the government takes over all aspects of the private sector. This means, they take over
oil and mineral rights, factories, healthcare professionals, etc.

Social Security is not socialism, for the people collecting it, were taxed for it when they were employed.

This is a benefit, not socialism by definition.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Yeah right. Keep dreaming.

Nothing to dream about. FDR was elected to four terms. The people loved him and Congress had to change
the presidency to two term limits so that wouldn't happen again.

Read up on the history of FDR, and you won't be accusing others of dreaming.

Jim

 

[mark46]

Socialism is where the government takes over all aspects of the private sector. This means, they take over
oil and mineral rights, factories, healthcare professionals, etc.

Social Security is not socialism, for the people collecting it, were taxed for it when they were employed.

This is a benefit, not socialism by definition.

Jim

You are using a definition of socialism different from that being used in the US Democratic campaign, where the term has come to mean democratic socialism, and NOT included control of the means of production.

And if you believe that the Social Security you receive is derived from what you paid in, I have someone who has some land in Florida for sale. From the very beginning, from the very first recipients until now, Social Security benefits for current workers is paid by current employees, in an inter=generations shift of wealth, with the understanding that future workers will pay for their benefit. Gore's idea of a Social Security Trust Fund was a fabrication.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You are using a definition of socialism different from that being used in the US Democratic campaign, where the term has come to mean democratic socialism, and NOT included control of the means of production.

And if you believe that the Social Security you receive is derived from what you paid in, I have someone who has some land in Florida for sale. From the very beginning, from the very first recipients until now, Social Security benefits for current workers is paid by current employees, in an inter=generations shift of wealth, with the understanding that future workers will pay for their benefit. Gore's idea of a Social Security Trust Fund was a fabrication.

I'm using it in the context of what Pope Pius XII spoke against.

The SS tax I paid, was collected by my grandparents and parents.

This makes me eligible to collect SS benefits today.


Yeah, there is no so-called "lock box," which Al Gore used years back.

But nonetheless, it is not socialism by definition.

Jim

 

[benedictaoo]

Socialism is where the government takes over all aspects of the private sector. This means, they take over
oil and mineral rights, factories, healthcare professionals, etc.

Social Security is not socialism, for the people collecting it, were taxed for it when they were employed.

This is a benefit, not socialism by definition.

Jim

That they should not have been taxed!

 

[mark46]

I'm using it in the context of what Pope Pius XII spoke against.

The SS tax I paid, was collected by my grandparents and parents.

This makes me eligible to collect SS benefits today.


Yeah, there is no so-called "lock box," which Al Gore used years back.

But nonetheless, it is not socialism by definition.

Jim

fair enough

 

[topcare]

what is wrong with you? NO, really what is wrong with you? I'm giving you my gut feelings about this pope. I do not need to give you an outside source to my opinions. There are so many red flags and one of them is your inordinate defense of him and how you flip out anytime he is criticized. It's like people are under some sort of spell. It's what I think Colin, it's what I feel and when known haters of the Church, known atheist and agnostics who have agendas, love him, you know something is up. There is something about this pope that does not sit well with me. I'm not entitled to think that?

Totally agree. Something is fishy

 

[benedictaoo]

From reading this thread, not a darn one of you can agree on what is socialism.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

That they should not have been taxed!

So you oppose SS benefits ?

I hope you're not saying this while collecting SSI or other SS benefits.

If not, you can refuse to apply for benefits when you become eligible.


Jim