Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[AV1611VET]

Just for the record, are you telling me that you think the Earth is vastly older than 6,000 years?

4.57 billion years old, to be exact.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian mentions a source that confirms theiotes to be "divinity."
Strong's ...

That says it all.

Not quite. Here's a place to see how many other Greek texts agree with this:
http://biblehub.com/texts/romans/1-20.htm

Another concordance:
http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=θειότης

Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine (theiotēs | θειότης | nom sg fem) nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made. So they are without excuse.
https://billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/theiotes

 

[AV1611VET]

Barbarian mentions a source that confirms theiotes to be "divinity."

Those sources are why we are KJVO.

The KJVO movement was started to combat that sort of heresy.

 

[katerinah1947]

Well thank you for going to all that trouble answering my question. You say you "found no one who does not believe in God"? Am I understanding that correctly? If you mean that literally, may I ask in what country your study was conducted? How does 'vocally and verbally railing against the concept of God' make an atheist extreme? This Forum has many Christians vocally and verbally rooting for God. Would not the depictor 'extreme' apply to them also?

Best wishes.

Olaf.

Hi,

You are understanding correctly, that I found no one that does not believe in God.

Since experimental design, and carefully carrying out the work is imperative, to actually getting a real answer, the question can never be asked directly, without delaying the work.

After. After that work was over and completed, I could talk about it casually, and there is this ex-sniper that I talk to on other issues. He absolutely said that there was no possibility that my work was correct, as he can and does say, that there is no possibility that a God exists out there, that is responsible for all of this. (That was part of the test question)

Three years later, he can no longer say that, after he was totally taken care of for the first time in his life, for what he had to do, militarily, through a series of God related, informational exchanges involving his having to pull the trigger so many times in combat.

But, it took three years, to do that, from stating the objective, before asking the questions, without him being aware of why they were being asked.

Now, to your next point. Please answer this. Why do you want to know what country this took place in?

Please answer that before you or I go on........

(It took place primarily in America, although that was no restriction. It just happens that all the extreme, under the definition given, atheists were in America, I THINK.)

One subject could have been anywhere. When I found him, he was ranting and raving at folks on a Catholic Forum, way out of my field of expertise.

He was on a Philosophers forum, and that I am not. Slowly gently, I approached to see if I would be rejected.

Eventually I was able to ask the question. He said, Yes I can positively say, that there is no possibility that The Christian God is out there, who is responsible for all of this.

That, though was not the question I asked. (I have no idea where on the planet, if that even, this guy lived.)

So, I asked again letting him know, that was not my question.

He answered, this time, and I had my answer. Although, I could never tell him till I was done, he kept and probably still does, wonder about my Philosophical School of Thought or Method.

I can tell him now, but then, nothing I say, can be said in such a way, as to have the answer I am looking for, in the question itself anywhere.

So, research questions sound weird, and when it gets too scary, or wired, I tell them why the questions sound that way, and to please hang in there.

So.

So quite possibly they were all Americans and living in America, but I can't say for sure.

Next. Vocally or verbally taking against God, makes them possibly extreme, and usually extreme, and hopefully extreme, at least they are openly talking about it to others, and it allows me to burrow down to that person, to see if they can be eliminated for any reason.

More goes into the process of this, than said so far. He has to be non politically, non agendizingly, stating that position, also. There may be more still. This is not easy work.

Next.

Extreme Christians were not needed then. And, then I also had no proof, for The Bible. I was just doing an objective piece of research, to see if any real atheists existed out there, by the average man's definition of atheism.

EXTREME, very much applies to those Christuans you mentioned. Only, they had no place in this study, on atheism, using the common man's definition of atheism. Not, the formal definition of that word.

For instance, I am a gnostic theist. Is there any non esoteric person out there that knows what that means?

LOVE,

 

[bhsmte]

Well thank you for going to all that trouble answering my question. You say you "found no one who does not believe in God"? Am I understanding that correctly? If you mean that literally, may I ask in what country your study was conducted? How does 'vocally and verbally railing against the concept of God' make an atheist extreme? This Forum has many Christians vocally and verbally rooting for God. Would not the depictor 'extreme' apply to them also?

Best wishes.

Olaf.

Pretty interesting huh?

Someone claiming they have found no one, who doesn't believe in God.

 

[Kylie]

That's why we have you. To provide the in depth wisdom and explain. Start anytime.

I've tried, as have others. But you've demonstrated many times that you aren't interested in actually learning how science works. Why should I or anyone else continue trying to show you if you have no interest in actually learning?

 

[Kylie]

Excellent. You'll have to become a believer to see it of course. No one else will be here to see anything.

Of course. And that's the problem, isn't it? You demand I provide my part of the bargain before you fulfill your part, but what you demand of me is to be more willing to believe your part!

It don't work that way.

False. No state n the future or past can be checked by satanpsuedoscience.

Actually, it can. I have tried, along with others, to explain this to you, but you don't seem to have any interest in learning what science actually is or how it actually works.

Done deal. Good and bad spirits have been a known thing all through history in every land. This is not a thread to ram the obvious into the head of deniers.

So? Without evidence, their claims are meaningless!

Lots of spirits!

Totally irrelevant.

There are lots of different kinds of birds, and yet we don't have the sparrowists who claim the birds are small with sweet songs and a penchant for insects. We don't have egretists who claim birds are larger, white and eat fish. We don't have ostrichists who claim that birds have shaggy feathers, long legs and run very fast and never fly.

The many different kinds of birds do not cause contradictory statements about what a bird is. So why do the many different kinds of spirits cause contradictory statements about what spirituality is?

(Protip: the answer is "because it's all made up.")

Science is religious beliefs. I merely expose that. I also show that those morbid beliefs oppose truth and all that is good and right.

PMSL! You really DON'T know what science is!

We get it. So reach in your jeans pocket and give reality a little pat on the back for being friends with you now, ok? Or maybe it is in your closet? Keep us posted.

Reality is everywhere. Maybe you could open your eyes and actually see it for yourself.

There really should be a fine for you to even use the word reality.

Wow, what a fantastic retort. You sure demolished my arguments with your childish comebacks...

 

[The Barbarian]

Those sources are why we are KJVO.

The KJVO movement was started to combat that sort of heresy.

Worshiping man's revision of God's Word seems more than a little foolish to me. But that's your choice to make.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Hi,

The key to God, is honesty.

LOVE,



Hi,

So why do you care, is it because you'd like to find someone, who is actually objectively honest that can help you understand God better?

LOVE,

I think you are right in that it all comes down to honesty. I was raised to be honest and so if someone wants to be an atheist that is fine as long as they are honest. Some are very honest and some are very dishonest. When you look at Gould and Eldridge, Gould seemed to dishonest to me. He did die somewhat early from cancer. I have noticed that people that seem to be at odds with themselves seem to have more problems with cancer. Eldridge also an atheist has lived a long life. He seems to be more of an honest person and more at peace with himself.

 

[bhsmte]

I think you are right in that it all comes down to honesty. I was raised to be honest and so if someone wants to be an atheist that is fine as long as they are honest. Some are very honest and some are very dishonest. When you look at Gould and Eldridge, Gould seemed to dishonest to me. He did die somewhat early from cancer. I have noticed that people that seem to be at odds with themselves seem to have more problems with cancer. Eldridge also an atheist has lived a long life. He seems to be more of an honest person and more at peace with himself.

People who are at odds with themselves tend to have more problems with cancer?

First of all, how does one objectively determine if someone is at odds with themselves and do you have any evidence to support they have higher incidences of cancer?

 

[The Barbarian]

I think you are right in that it all comes down to honesty. I was raised to be honest and so if someone wants to be an atheist that is fine as long as they are honest. Some are very honest and some are very dishonest. When you look at Gould and Eldridge, Gould seemed to dishonest to me. He did die somewhat early from cancer. I have noticed that people that seem to be at odds with themselves seem to have more problems with cancer. Eldridge also an atheist has lived a long life. He seems to be more of an honest person and more at peace with himself.

Honesty would probably require one to note that Gould was an agnostic.

 

[katerinah1947]

Shocking!

Hi,

I am going to let you abuse me some more.

It has limits though. This allowing you to abuse me, comes from some work @Michie is doing, in which I am being talked to by someone on her thread, about praying in spirit and truth.

Finally I understood what Collin was saying to me about what it means to pray in spirit and truth, it involves being totally me, and also being totally guided by The Holy Spirit, with me being sincere also.

I can do that here, even though, you acting verbally like the Narcissists, and a few criminals I deal with as part of my life, being an Armed Guard for my parents businesses, even though your responses are a mix of both of those types of individuals.

I said what I said, about your life growing up, because of your Narcissistic, remarks.

So far, in all the Narcissists, and those of the generalized condition called Personality Disorder, marked by a single key feature, that of all of them having no remorse, each of the ones I know of, their issue started with a violation and or an abandonment issue, so large as a child, that if they were younger, they would have died from it, like babies in a crib who are not sufficiently touched by their mothers after they are born.

Although, still being studied and somewhat in the peer review stage, so far, no one anywhere, is finding any errors, in my work so far.

And all those with a form of Personality disorder, respond really well to my knowing what caused their condition, so far.

I just finished with a text book perfect case of Borderline Personality Disorder, and he and the whole family are now pleased with the changes in him.

All I really did, was told him, what happened to him, and how to make his life easier.

Never did I expect *r**** response to me letting him know that I knew, Nor, in A*** case, nor in M***** case, nor in anyone else's case, to respond with almost like, when they found out I actually knew what in kind, their childhood was like.

Most of your responses to me, have always been Narcissistic, so based on what I know of, from my own personal research work, and that of others on this, I made those remarks about you, from a statistical probability, that I thought was 1, in your case.

If it is not, I am quite sorry to have made errors in your case.

The last five cases or more, online, I have made zero errors on them.

You might be my first case of an online error.

Deeply I am sorry if that is the case, but if it is, then you mimick a Narcissist really, really, really well.

The only other, I will say person, that has fooled me I approached him one day, and asked. "Why do you have, all the tendencies mannerisms and capabilities of an extreme Narcissist, but never act that way."

He responded to me: "Oh. My Dad!"

Yes, I told him. What?

"My dad is that way. He made my life so miserable. I will never be that way."

And he is not, even to this day, that I can tell.

So, since you act like a Narcissist, and sound like a Narcissist, in your case naybe I made a mistake, but now you know how I could make the statement.

And yes, I am prepared now, for you to further verbally abuse me and harass me as you have been doing in the past.

LOVE,

 

[bhsmte]

Hi,

I am going to let you abuse me some more.

It has limits though. This allowing you to abuse me, comes from some work @Michie is doing, in which I am being talked to by someone on her thread, about praying in spirit and truth.

Finally I understood what Collin was saying to me about what it means to pray in spirit and truth, it involves being totally me, and also being totally guided by The Holy Spirit, with me being sincere also.

I can do that here, even though, you acting verbally like the Narcissists, and a few criminals I deal with as part of my life, being an Armed Guard for my parents businesses, even though your responses are a mix of both of those types of individuals.

I said what I said, about your life growing up, because of your Narcissistic, remarks.

So far, in all the Narcissists, and those of the generalized condition called Personality Disorder, marked by a single key feature, that of all of them having no remorse, each of the ones I know of their issue started with a violation and or an abandonment issue, so large as a child, that if they were younger, they would have died from it, like babies in a crib who are not sufficiently touched by their mothers after they are born.

Although, still being studied and somewhat in the peer review stage, so far, no one anywhere, is finding any errors, in my work so far.

And all those with a form of Personality disorder, respond really well to my knowing what caused their condition, so far.

I just finished with a text book perfect case of Borderline Personality Disorder, and he and the whole family are now pleased with the changes in him.

All I really did, was told him, what happened to him, and how to make his life easier.

Never did I expect *r**** response to me letting him know that I knew, Nor, in A*** case, nor in M***** case, nor in anyone else's case, to respond with almost like, when they found out I actually knew what in kind, their childhood was like.

Most of your responses to me, have always been Narcissistic, so based on what I know of, from my own personal research work, and that of others on this, I made those remarks about you, from a statistical probability, that I thought was 1, in your case.

If it is not, I am quite sorry to have errors in your case.

The last five cases or more, online, I have made zero ertors on them.

You might be my first case of an online error.

Deeply I am sorry if that us the case, but if it is, then you mimick a Narcissist really, really, really well.

The only other, I will say person, that has fooled me I approached him one day, and asked. "Why do you have, all the tendencies mannerisms and capabilities of an extreme Narcissist, but never act that way."

He responded to me: "Oh. My Dad!"

Yes, I told him. What?

"My dad is that way. He made my life so miserable. I will never be that way."

And he is not, even to this day, that I can tell.

So, since you act like a Narcissist, and sound like a Narcissist, in your case naybe I made a mistake, but now you know how I could make the statement.

And yes, I am prepared now, for you to further verbally abuse me and harass me as you have been doing in the past.

LOVE,

Tell me, do narcissists make derogatory personal claims about others and then pretend they can ignore supporting those claims, when asked?

 

[AV1611VET]

Worshiping man's revision of God's Word seems more than a little foolish to me. But that's your choice to make.

And which revision do you worship?

The Douay (a.k.a. Catholic Bible)?

If not, what's wrong with it, Catholic?

Isn't it good enough for you?

Or are you above your own inhouse translation?

 

[katerinah1947]

Of course. And that's the problem, isn't it? You demand I provide my part of the bargain before you fulfill your part, but what you demand of me is to be more willing to believe your part!

It don't work that way.

Actually, it can. I have tried, along with others, to explain this to you, but you don't seem to have any interest in learning what science actually is or how it actually works.

So? Without evidence, their claims are meaningless!

Totally irrelevant.

There are lots of different kinds of birds, and yet we don't have the sparrowists who claim the birds are small with sweet songs and a penchant for insects. We don't have egretists who claim birds are larger, white and eat fish. We don't have ostrichists who claim that birds have shaggy feathers, long legs and run very fast and never fly.

The many different kinds of birds do not cause contradictory statements about what a bird is. So why do the many different kinds of spirits cause contradictory statements about what spirituality is?

(Protip: the answer is "because it's all made up.")

PMSL! You really DON'T know what science is!

Reality is everywhere. Maybe you could open your eyes and actually see it for yourself.

Wow, what a fantastic retort. You sure demolished my arguments with your childish comebacks...

Hi,

I enjoy the accuracy of some people here.

You are one of my absolute favorites, in that way.

And, no, I am not asking you to ignore any mistakes I make. I don't think you would or could anyway.

I have always thought you were a gnostic theist, or at least a scientist.

Amazingly, I think you said that you are an artist.

Although such clarity of thought, and commitment to reality and truth, I do not understand at all being in an artist, your remarks display much of the interior of you, and inside, you are impressive.

LOVE,

 

[joshua 1 9]

People who are at odds with themselves tend to have more problems with cancer?

Not just cancer all sickness. This is a rather old belief going back to the beginning of Hippocratic medicine where sickness was attributed to an imbalance in the humors. As the theory became developed they had four humors and four temperaments that all needed to be in balance to maintain good health. Now a days they tend toward maintaining a balance in exercise, diet and stress control. So my theory is that there is greater stress with people that are out of harmony with themselves and this can be a cause of sickness and disease. As the effect of stress on the immunity system is well researched. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1361287/

 

[joshua 1 9]

Honesty would probably require one to note that Gould was an agnostic.

Really? Ok Still Gould was of the opinion that if we went back to the beginning of time and started all over again the results of evolution would be totally different. This opposed to the theory that evolution is subject to the natural laws and if you go anywhere in the universe you will end up with pretty much the same results every time. The evo devos tend to promote this belief.

 

[katerinah1947]

Tell me, do narcissists make derogatory personal claims about others and then pretend they can ignore supporting those claims, when asked?

Hi,

It is an insult, to me, that you say that I have not responded to you.

It is a pejorative and therefore hurtful to me, for you to insult my objective observations, by calling them subjectively, derogatory.

To talk to an educated scientist, like to a small bad child, after the educated scientist has apologized to you if she is wrong, is humiliating, and it hurts.

To say I have pretended to ignore you, after giving you my exhaustive to me, personal research that is presently being verified, to answer you, is an insult, and a lie.

You have been answered.

Next set of insults please.

I have limits. You have not reached that limit yet, but you are getting closer to it.

LOVE,

 

[bhsmte]

Hi,

It is an insult, to me, that you say that I have not responded to you.

It is a pejorative and therefore hurtful to me, for you to insult my objective observations, by calling them subjectively, derogatory.

To talk to an educated scientist, like to a small bad child, after the educated scientist has apologized to you if she is wrong, is humiliating, and it hurts.

To say I have pretended to ignore you, after giving you my exhaustive to me, personal research that is presently being verified, to answer you, is an insult, and a lie.

You have been answered.

Next set of insults please.

I have limits. You have not reached that limit yet, but you are getting closer to it.

LOVE,

In post 1896, you made the following personal claims about me and I quote them directly:

"If I remember correctly, you are and were hurt deeply in your youth.

It was not easy for you growing up."

Since your wrote the above, I have asked you to support your claim above with evidence and an explanation as to how you concluded the same.

You have not responded to my request for you to support the above, point me to a post # where you have.

If you make personal claims about others, don't be shocked when you are asked to support it.

 

[bhsmte]

Not just cancer all sickness. This is a rather old belief going back to the beginning of Hippocratic medicine where sickness was attributed to an imbalance in the humors. As the theory became developed they had four humors and four temperaments that all needed to be in balance to maintain good health. Now a days they tend toward maintaining a balance in exercise, diet and stress control. So my theory is that there is greater stress with people that are out of harmony with themselves and this can be a cause of sickness and disease. As the effect of stress on the immunity system is well researched. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1361287/

Stress can have negative impacts on health yes. Now, provide evidence that Gould's health issues were caused by stress.