Father, Son Killed in Gun Shop Shootout

[Nithavela]

I wonder how a gun seller is much different from a drug pusher.

Gun seller pays taxes.

 

[JustOneWay]

I meant currently illegal drugs.

I don't see how that matters much when it is understood that many illegal drug users first become addicted to over-prescribed legal drugs.

 

[Armoured]

I think the point of pointing to Chicago is that Chicago killings are the 'rule' while this shooting is an 'exception'. It's like "tripping over a dollar, trying to save a dime", or, worrying about the speck in someone else's eye when there is a big log in yours.

We can count on Chicago bloodshed going on day after day while this is a very isolated and rare incident.

How many isolated incidents does it take to make a trend? There's 3 threads about recent ones currently, so define "rare"?

 

[Larniavc]

Gun seller pays taxes.

So no real difference.

 

[JustOneWay]

I think the point of pointing to Chicago is that Chicago killings are the 'rule' while this shooting is an 'exception'. It's like "tripping over a dollar, trying to save a dime", or, worrying about the speck in someone else's eye when there is a big log in yours.

We can count on Chicago bloodshed going on day after day while this is a very isolated and rare incident.

Funny, Mississippi is much higher on the list than Illinois...
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...e-the-highest-gun-death-rates-in-america.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

 

[GoldenBoy89]

What I surmise is that the McCool's brought a gun in for some kind of repair. Mr. McLemore couldn't make the repair but charged McCool a small service fee anyway, which was the bone of contention as no work was done on the weapon.

Mr. McLemore likely spent some time examining the gun, or making calls about it, that prompted the service fee. Perhaps he wasn't able to communicate that fully to Mr. McCool. Or perhaps there was already bad blood between them over past sales, or perhaps something else entirely.

McCool should never have been allowed to own a firearm in the first place if he uses it to settle disputes over a simple service charge. This is the kind of thing that makes me think Americans maybe unfit to have a Second Amendment.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Funny, Mississippi is much higher on the list than Illinois...
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...e-the-highest-gun-death-rates-in-america.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Doesn't that open up a entirely different conversation; black on black homicide in those two states?

 

[Larniavc]

McCool should never have been allowed to own a firearm in the first place if he uses it to settle disputes over a simple service charge. This is the kind of thing that makes me think Americans maybe unfit to have a Second Amendment.

This is exactly why I don't think civilians should be able to own guns as a matter of course. People get angry and lose control and bullets start flying.

There may be a case that Americans are more likely to attack (and kill) each other and that the guns per se are not the issue but if Americans keep using guns to attack (and kill) each other then not having guns curtails their ability to attack (and kill) each other: should be viewed as a good thing.

 

[JustOneWay]

Doesn't that open up a entirely different conversation; black on black homicide in those two states?

It did not open up an entirely different conversation, that is until you just tried to bring race into it.

My stats were about gun deaths by state. You were eluding that Illinois (Chicago) murders are out of control while Mississippi is "isolated and rare". Apparently, there are more gun deaths per capita in Mississippi than in Illinois. That shot down (figuratively) your remark, and why bringing Chicago into this was nothing more than a red herring.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It did not open up an entirely different conversation, that is until you just tried to bring race into it

When the comments depart from the OP, which they usually do, the topic is wide open.

My stats were about gun deaths by state. You were eluding that Illinois (Chicago) murders are out of control while Mississippi is "isolated and rare". Apparently, there are more gun deaths per capita in Mississippi than in Illinois. That shot down (figuratively) your remark, and why bringing Chicago into this was nothing more than a red herring.

I said that particular incident is isolated and rare. Chicago murders follow an all-too-familiar pattern. And I was neither 'eluding' (or alluding) anything.

 

[Nithavela]

When the comments depart from the OP, which they usually do, the topic is wide open.

I think that when only one person does the departing bit while other people wish to discuss the topic surrounding the OP, it is called thread derailment.

 

[JustOneWay]

I said that particular incident is isolated and rare. Chicago murders follow an all-too-familiar pattern. And I was neither 'eluding' (or alluding) anything.

The incident in question is about two armed factions in a disagreement which ends in death.

If we wanted to examine each and every case in Chicago, I bet each particular incident is isolated and rare.

 

[tulc]

Funny, Mississippi is much higher on the list than Illinois...
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...e-the-highest-gun-death-rates-in-america.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

dang facts!
tulc(the only thing stopping a bad argument is a good man with actual facts!)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The incident in question is about two armed factions in a disagreement which ends in death.

So, what have we learned?

If we wanted to examine each and every case in Chicago, I bet each particular incident is isolated and rare.

I could kiss you for this statement (but I'm not 'that' way). You are supporting my long-held contention that each and every homicide case must be judged on it's own, contrary to what the anti's do which is to lump them all altogether and beat us over the head with them.

 

[JustOneWay]

So, what have we learned?

Guns and arguments are a bad combination.

I could kiss you for this statement (but I'm not 'that' way). You are supporting my long-held contention that each and every homicide case must be judged on it's own, contrary to what the anti's do which is to lump them all altogether and beat us over the head with them.

That's alright. We could look at it as a father kissing his son on the cheek! LOL Even though I am 55 I may still young enough to be your son....

I believe the difference in this case is the irony of murder in a gunshop. Other than that, this event is tragic and sad.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It's unfortunate that things like these happen, however, it's unrealistic for people to get cocky and claim "see, this is what happens when people are armed".

The reality is, monetary disagreements rarely escalate to this so we shouldn't be using this case to demonize the practice of concealed carry.

The Violence Policy center tracks every case of concealed carry holders killing someone, since 2007, there have been 849.

In the grand scheme of things (given that there are 11k homicides per year), that's a very small number considering that nearly 11 million people in the US are licensed to carry.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Guns and arguments are a bad combination.




That's alright. We could look at it as a father kissing his son on the cheek! LOL Even though I am 55 I may still young enough to be your son....

Mmmm, Looking back I may indeed have some kids about your age out there somewhere (you aren't by any chance smart, slender, and very good looking? ).

 

[cow451]

Deafening silence.

Irrelevant posts sometimes do not elicit responses. This one is a classic example.

 

[brinny]

I wonder if anyone is even ABLE to imagine a solution without leaving us defenseless.

This.

 

[cow451]

Understanding how a repair business operates, the repair of the gun was probably more than what the gun owner was willing to pay, and declined the repair. The gunshop has a right to receive money for an evaluation. The gun owner thought otherwise. The actual good guys with a gun in this case. died.

Smart repair shops collect the fee up front. They then credit that against the repair bill. If the owner doesn't want to repair the item, the fee is already collected. That's what smart people do.