police in America

[TheBear]

US police have killed 1043 people in 2015
http://www.killedbypolice.net/
tulc(police have killed 47 people in November)

Bravo!

 

[Smidlee]

US police have killed 1043 people in 2015
http://www.killedbypolice.net/
tulc(police have killed 47 people in November)

Is that all? This is only a little over 1% of how many people die each year from prescription drugs.

 

[tulc]

Is that all? This is only a little over 1% of how many people die each year from prescription drugs.

You should start a thread about that if it interests you.
tulc(seems like a good topic)

 

[Grafted In]

I wouldn't want their job.

 

[aieyiamfu]

I watched a video earlier of a woman cop that was acquitted on the charge of murder. She saw a man driving a car without the updated registration sticker, and she took pursuit. She finally pulls the guy over, and the guy, apparently knowing of her temper, tried to go into his home instead. She tazed him repeatedly, and then shot him twice, killing him.

Funny how she saw he didn't have an update registration sticker on his rear license plate, since they were going opposite directions. And she didn't have the license plate camera (I forget the proper name for it) in her car. Her body cam showed her tazing him and demanding that he show his hands, so he shows his hands. And she still shot him.

Yep. Guilty as charged. Driving with expired license tags. Sentence is death. Welcome to America.

Very sad.

 

[aieyiamfu]

Most shootings by police are justified. They aren't above the law, there are cops right now sitting in prison for dirty deeds and others who have lost their badge.

Nothing is without penalty. A country which amends personal, individual security has to accept the fact that these things are going to happen. I don't disagree that police need to be scrutinized, but putting them all in one basket and mashing them against a wall is not the way to do it.

Justified by what standard, what metric do we use to determine one individuals right to deprive another of life, if it were an appropriate standard I think this thread probably would not exist.

 

[bhsmte]

Justified by what standard, what metric do we use to determine one individuals right to deprive another of life, if it were an appropriate standard I think this thread probably would not exist.

I don't believe it is much different than your average citizen that shoots someone.

Deadly force is typically allowed, when a person feels they are at risk of significant bodily harm and or death and the person they shoot posses that threat. With police, you can add in when a suspect is a threat to the public as well.

 

[aieyiamfu]

I don't believe it is much different than your average citizen that shoots someone.

Deadly force is typically allowed, when a person feels they are at risk of significant bodily harm and or death and the person they shoot posses that threat. With police, you can add in when a suspect is a threat to the public as well.

Well I know here in P.A. if you were involved in inciting an altercation you give up your right to self-defense, as police incite nearly all altercations they are involved in, I guess they shouldn't fight back.

 

[bhsmte]

Well I know here in P.A. if you were involved in inciting an altercation you give up your right to self-defense, as police incite nearly all altercations they are involved in, I guess they shouldn't fight back.

State laws vary on starting an altercation etc.

In regards to police though, they have the ability to ask citizens to do certain things, when they have just cause to. Civilians, don't have this ability. If someone resists a justifiable order from a police officer, the officer is going to need to escalate the situation to some degree, to try and get the person to comply. Now, whether the methods they use to get people to comply are justified, are what are open for debate and should be evaluated on an evidence basis.

 

[aieyiamfu]

State laws vary on starting an altercation etc.

In regards to police though, they have the ability to ask citizens to do certain things, when they have just cause to. Civilians, don't have this ability. If someone resists a justifiable order from a police officer, the officer is going to need to escalate the situation to some degree, to try and get the person to comply. Now, whether the methods they use to get people to comply are justified, are what are open for debate and should be evaluated on an evidence basis.

Excuse me if I sound obtouse, however it would seem counterproductive to esclate an already difficult situation. I think a lot of the problem here is it is rare that police have a legitimate reason to ask someone to comply with an order, if they are not detaining you and you are own public property or private property you are authorized to be on then their ability to require you to do anything is very limited maybe non-existant (courts have ruled various ways, although I'm not sure I trust judges and lawyers to interpret the law and its ramifications).

 

[bhsmte]

Excuse me if I sound obtouse, however it would seem counterproductive to esclate an already difficult situation. I think a lot of the problem here is it is rare that police have a legitimate reason to ask someone to comply with an order, if they are not detaining you and you are own public property or private property you are authorized to be on then their ability to require you to do anything is very limited maybe non-existant (courts have ruled various ways, although I'm not sure I trust judges and lawyers to interpret the law and its ramifications).

I was discussing when police have a legit legal reason to ask someone to comply with an order. Clearly, there are circumstances, that are justified, under the law.

 

[aieyiamfu]

I was discussing when police have a legit legal reason to ask someone to comply with an order. Clearly, there are circumstances, that are justified, under the law.

Well yes if you are being detained, or if you are somewhere you are not authorized to be (of course you will probably be being detained in that case). Unfortuanately police cross these boundries on a very regular basis, with little or no punative action taken. I mean policing is a mess, and unfortunately I think its going to get much worse as police, continually fail to police, police.

 

[bhsmte]

Well yes if you are being detained, or if you are somewhere you are not authorized to be (of course you will probably be being detained in that case). Unfortuanately police cross these boundries on a very regular basis, with little or no punative action taken. I mean policing is a mess, and unfortunately I think its going to get much worse as police, continually fail to police, police.

Ok.

 

[tulc]

US police have killed 1051 people in 2015
http://www.killedbypolice.net/
tulc(police have killed 54 people in November)

 

[TheBear]

US police have killed 1051 people in 2015
http://www.killedbypolice.net/
tulc(police have killed 54 people in November)

wOOt!!!

 

[Aldebaran]

US police have killed 1051 people in 2015
http://www.killedbypolice.net/
tulc(police have killed 54 people in November)

The numbers of people killed can seem like just a number. Imagine if the numbers of people simply assaulted, injured, or even disabled by cops were included! Last night on the news, there was a follow-up to a story about a 57 year old guy who had come here from India and was just walking down the sidewalk near his house when cops assaulted him and left him partially paralyzed. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...alyzed-after-encounter-alabama-police-n305081

 

[aieyiamfu]

The numbers of people killed can seem like just a number. Imagine if the numbers of people simply assaulted, injured, or even disabled by cops were included! Last night on the news, there was a follow-up to a story about a 57 year old guy who had come here from India and was just walking down the sidewalk near his house when cops assaulted him and left him partially paralyzed. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...alyzed-after-encounter-alabama-police-n305081[/QUOTE

The numbers of people killed can seem like just a number. Imagine if the numbers of people simply assaulted, injured, or even disabled by cops were included! Last night on the news, there was a follow-up to a story about a 57 year old guy who had come here from India and was just walking down the sidewalk near his house when cops assaulted him and left him partially paralyzed. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...alyzed-after-encounter-alabama-police-n305081

I hate to state the obvious, if he did not want to be beat up by American police maybe he should have stayed in India.

 

[tulc]

The numbers of people killed can seem like just a number. Imagine if the numbers of people simply assaulted, injured, or even disabled by cops were included! Last night on the news, there was a follow-up to a story about a 57 year old guy who had come here from India and was just walking down the sidewalk near his house when cops assaulted him and left him partially paralyzed. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...alyzed-after-encounter-alabama-police-n305081

or like this:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html

When a handcuffed Freddie Gray was placed in a Baltimore police van on April 12, he was talking and breathing. When the 25-year-old emerged, "he could not talk and he could not breathe," according to one police official, and he died a week later of a spinal injury.

But Gray is not the first person to come out of a Baltimore police wagon with serious injuries.

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

or this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...ice-grenade-dropped-in-crib-during-drug-raid/

A Georgia toddler has been put into a medically induced coma after he was badly burned by a police "flash bang" grenade that landed in the crib where the boy was sleeping during a drug raid, his mother told ABC News today.

and the list goes on.
tulc(and on and on)

 

[aieyiamfu]

or like this:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html

or this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...ice-grenade-dropped-in-crib-during-drug-raid/

and the list goes on.
tulc(and on and on)

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/
The toddler was in the way. It makes me desire to vomit. This problem goes far deeper than the police.

 

[Aldebaran]

or like this:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html

or this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...ice-grenade-dropped-in-crib-during-drug-raid/

and the list goes on.
tulc(and on and on)

It sure does! It "amuses" me when the justification for all of these incidents is "officer safety". For some reason, I thought it was their job to keep us safe, but it somehow got twisted around to where it is now their privilege to injure or kill us for their safety.