Boy Trained to Handle Hunting Rifle by Father Now in Trouble. Father Not

[FreeSpirit74]

Way too many unanswered questions about this case. Imo this kid acted out of anger not nuttiness. Boys this age have fragile ego's, which can be manipulated by little girls that age. I have seen it in several families including my own. Little sisters have the special talent of putting their brother's into fits of anger with seemingly little effort. I would be very interested in this kids relationship with the little girl in that regard. Not blaming her, but this might a factor that no one else was aware of.

According to reports, he asked to see her puppy. She told him no. No manipulation there.

It doesn't matter what she did or said aside from that. Part of growing up is learning to control your emotions and actions when other people say or do things you don't like.

And if you are blaming the victim there would be no need to have posted this: "Boys this age have fragile ego's, which can be manipulated by little girls that age. I have seen it in several families including my own. Little sisters have the special talent of putting their brother's into fits of anger with seemingly little effort. I would be very interested in this kids relationship with the little girl in that regard." The only blame here lies with the child who did the killing.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

I think I will take the word of actual prosecutors on what is and isn't negligent homicide.

Yeah, because prosecutors definitely do not try to prosecute another even if it is beyond obvious they did not commit a crime. You may even find yourself in a situation where you will have to deal with that.

But anyway, no.. a decent lawyer will get her off.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

Welcome to Ignore. I've had enough of your sexist nonsense.

 

[Armoured]

Dude, just stop. Go here... there's a bunch of people who agree with you https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/ (language warning)

 

[Cearbhall]

I would say he either has never been taught about the word "no", boundaries, and facing and taking the consequences of one's actions, or else he is a budding sociopath.

True. It's possible he honestly just doesn't know that law enforcement exists in any capacity that would affect him.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

According to reports, he asked to see her puppy. She told him no. No manipulation there.

"According to the reports" seldom tells the whole story, and are often misleading.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

I've had enough of your sexist nonsense.

Typical. Truth=sexist, according to the one who came on here and initiated male bashing in the first place.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It has been an interesting news week for people in East Tennessee. Maybe the idiot commissioner in Blount County can pray for the residents of Jefferson County.

According to police, on October 3 the killer, a fifth-grade student at White Pine Elementary School, went into his parent’s home and retrieved his father’s 12-gauge shotgun from an unlocked closet. He then used it to kill third-grader McKayla Dyer.

The boy, whose name was not released, was arrested and charged in juvenile court with first-degree murder. According to police, the boy’s father was not charged. His son had been hunting with his father and evidently knew how to handle and load the shotgun.

Just a side note. The poll is really worded incorrectly, asking the opposite of what I'm sure the OP intended (sorry to be so picky).

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

"According to the reports" seldom tells the whole story, and are often misleading.

It's obvious that there is far more to the story. There issues with each other did not start there.
That's why I jumped the gun very quickly on the matter of trying to perpetuate an idea that males kill-girls-with-shotguns-because-'no'.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

True. It's possible he honestly just doesn't know that law enforcement exists in any capacity that would affect him.

When I was a kid, the thought of my father's foot up my rear end was deterrent enough!

 

[FreeSpirit74]

"According to the reports" seldom tells the whole story, and are often misleading.

Again, what more does anyone need to know? There isn't anything an 8 year old girl could do to an 11 year old boy that justifies his actions.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Again, what more does anyone need to know? There isn't anything an 8 year old girl could do to an 11 year old boy that justifies his actions.

Nobody is justifying the boy's actions. Others, or at least myself on here anyway, simply aren't settling for the misandrist notion that boys are wicked and that girls are innocent beings.

I straight up called it out, before this discussion even really began, what it was: an attempt at anti-male feminism on the subject. I know when that beast rears it's head.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I look at it this way. The two kids were kids and it is the parents duty to prepare them for life. Part of the experience in life is to react and interact with others and that is in a nutshell what went on here. A kid reacting to another kid.

I don't know about any of you, but when I was that age we fought with our fists and if necesary, with an equalizer, but never was that equalizer a loaded gun. I know that my dad made me go out and finish the first fight I was involved in with a baseball bat, because the kid that started it was 3 years older than I. My mom was highly religious and didn't want me fighting at all. She said she wanted me to turn the cheek, but I don't think she had ever been in any kind of a fight.

I remember getting into a fight with two brothers who were a grade lower than I, but they were the types who would gang up on someone and pester them to death, until they provoked you into beating the crap out of one or both. These kids parents showed up at our front door and all was well. It turned out the next day they started up again and the whole cycle started anew.

My guess was their parents weren't that involved unless one of their kids walked through the front door with their lower lip in their hand, but it was so long ago, I can't really remember.

The bottom line is that parents are called parents for more than their ability to pop out kids. In fact I'm fairly sure that there are a good measure of people who've quote/unquote gone bad, because their parents were bad people or bad parents. Whatever the case is here, the facts are that a kid thougt it ok to go get a gun. Load that gun. Take it over to another persons home and shoot another person.

The responcibility is on the parents to take care of the weapons in the house and those people who live there. If something fell apart it was because the parents didn't put it together properly.

 

[98cwitr]

Why? Most kids I know have their own guns by age 12.

I got my first gun when I was 5...a .22 SR from my Dad. While I tore it up taking it apart too many times and losing parts, I never mishandled it. I did mishandle a revolver that would have turned into a very bad situation if I had not practiced what my Dad and Grand-dad taught me about keep a gun always pointed away from people.

That said, a parent should be well aware of their child's mental health and stability. If there is any question, and the parent ignores it, I do feel that they should be held to some responsibility.

 

[William67]

And they're allowed to go off with them without adult supervision? Not cool, IMHO.

If you wouldn't let someone drive a car unsupervised, I think it's fair to say you shouldn't give them access to a loaded firearm unsupervised.

I used to go hunting, alone, before I could even shave. You don't just teach children the proper use of a firearm, you also have to teach them morals and when to use/when not to use a firearm. The first time I killed a deer with my 30-30, and saw the exist wound, I knew I would never use it against another human being unless my life, or the life of someone in my family, was on the line.

 

[cow451]

People thrive on routine. A man cleans his guns, or takes them out to shoot around in the woods. He does this all the time, and sometimes he leaves his gun safe unlocked, or leaves ammunition by an unloaded gun, or some other thing.

The routine should include securing the weapon.

Or let's say a neat freak cleans religiously around the house. They leave a bottle of some chemical laying on the floor.

They are not being 'irresponsible', they are being 'human'. The punishment is in the tragedy itself, and surely corrects any of the sort from happening again. This is why such things never happen twice to the same person.

So the death of some else's child due to my neglect is "punishment enough". Nice.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

So the death of some else's child due to my neglect is "punishment enough". Nice.

A father who never thought that in a million years his son would go grab a gun and shoot another kid, who has to suffer with the reality of his boy's childhood ruined in killing another?

Yes, that is punishment enough. What are you going to do, take away his guns, take him to prison, drag his name through the dirt and mud..
Spare this Earth that ridiculous self-righteousness.

 

[cow451]

Just a side note. The poll is really worded incorrectly, asking the opposite of what I'm sure the OP intended (sorry to be so picky).

Guess that's why you're calling yourself "Wise Old Guy" instead of just "Old Guy". Good catch. I will pay closer attention moving forward.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If this boy had bullied this little girl before as is reported he should probably be put to death when he reaches 18. This was as malicious a crime as I have ever heard of. There is no hope of rehabilitation of a person so evil.

They CANNOT put you to death if AT THE TIME of the crime he or she was under eighteen. In some states, you cannot give minors ( under 18) with life without parole.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

Then he belongs in some heavy-duty therapy so he can figure out WHY he thought shooting this little girl was the proper response when she denied him access to something that was HERS. Most pre-school kids can understand the difference between "mine" and "not mine" so I'd love to know his excuse.