Science Says NO to Evolution Theory!

[justlookinla]

And yet here I am. Again, whether or not my experience of consciousness is illusory, it does nothing to change the fact that I experience it. "I think, therefore I am".

No, here is a sack of chemicals which react to stimuli . You're nothing more than chemical reactions, which isn't really a 'you' any more than any chemical compound is a 'you'.

 

[The Cadet]

No, here is a sack of chemicals which react to stimuli . You're nothing more than chemical reactions, which isn't really a 'you' any more than any chemical compound is a 'you'.

I think, therefore I am. As far as self-evident statements go, that's kind of the classic one. Ergo, whether or not my consciousness is some ghost in the machine, or whether it's an emergent property of a complex biochemical computer, it exists and I experience it.

The question then is how much do we create or control our own illusion and what exactly is the mechanism of the shared illusion that most of us seem to experience. When does illusion become disillusion?

I don't understand the question. Could you please rephrase it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, there is no 'I' in the sack of chemicals produced by Darwinist creation.

Interesting tidbit of info here:

1. Charles Darwin: 1809 - 1882
2. Sigmund Freud: 1856 - 1939
3. Carl Jung: 1875 - 1961
4. Adolf Hitler: 1889 - 1945

This is what the muses forged and presented to us in 146 years.
And there's one yet to come who, in just seven years time, will be an amalgamation of all four of these guys.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Interesting articles

Eh, just showing you that it isn't "creationists" that are making this stuff up. If we are just material beings with just a material brain then our thoughts and feelings are just chemical reactions and we have no choice over them. Illusion is a very prominent factor when only the physical world exists.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Let me get this straight, you are saying that the eyewitness did not record the event accurately?

There is no doubt in my mind that the eyewitness had a better perspective of what Jesus said than you!

It appears you missed the point of what I said, your response proves it.

There's no doubt in my mind that the one who recorded it in writing was NOT an actual eye witness.

There's also no doubt in my mind that people record things that are false all the time.

 

[DogmaHunter]

This is always an argument that is so crazy to me. We have no other document in antiquity so close to the events they are written about, none of which were written when people still alive at the time of the writings could discount it if it were not correct and the reasoning or motivation for those who were writing it when Christians were being killed for their following of Christ.

This is simply not true.
There's plenty contemporary (and independend) writings about plenty of events in antiquity. None of which are in the bible.

Secondly, mentioning that they were being killed for their beliefs has no relevance whatsoever to the truth of their beliefs.

Vikings used to voluantarily sacrifice their lives for the religion.
That doesn't mean Thor exists or something. It only means that these people really, really believed what they believed.

Muslims die voluantarily for their beliefs everyday in Iraq and Syria.
It doesn't mean that Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Prove it. Provide documentation that shows that the words in the New Testament were not spoken by Jesus.

I see you are asking people to prove a negative again.

I guess you still haven't figured out how the burden of proof works... not even after the many MANY attempts by several people to explain it to you.

It's not the job of the sceptics to prove that your book isn't accurate. It's your job to prove that it is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Eh, just showing you that it isn't "creationists" that are making this stuff up.

It appears that the default position among the educated is that we just "make this stuff up."

Even when we show that someone else was teaching it before we were even born, it only starts the snowball effect.

 

[justlookinla]

I think, therefore I am. As far as self-evident statements go, that's kind of the classic one. Ergo, whether or not my consciousness is some ghost in the machine, or whether it's an emergent property of a complex biochemical computer, it exists and I experience it.

There is no 'you' to think. There is no 'you' to experience anything. Reactive chemical compounds isn't a 'you'.

 

[bhsmte]

I see you are asking people to prove a negative again.

I guess you still haven't figured out how the burden of proof works... not even after the many MANY attempts by several people to explain it to you.

It's not the job of the sceptics to prove that your book isn't accurate. It's your job to prove that it is.

I wonder how many Christians, have actually studied the NT in a critical fashion. When one is motivated to do so and they read the works of various well credentialed NT scholars and historians, it becomes quite clear, that the NT is considered, much more a work of theology, than it is a work of credible history.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I wonder how many Christians, have actually studied the NT in a critical fashion. When one is motivated to do so and they read the works of various well credentialed NT scholars and historians, it becomes quite clear, that the NT is considered, much more a work of theology, than it is a work of credible history.

That just simply is your opinion. What history has been shown inaccurate?

 

[Oncedeceived]

This is simply not true.
There's plenty contemporary (and independend) writings about plenty of events in antiquity. None of which are in the bible.

Secondly, mentioning that they were being killed for their beliefs has no relevance whatsoever to the truth of their beliefs.

Vikings used to voluantarily sacrifice their lives for the religion.
That doesn't mean Thor exists or something. It only means that these people really, really believed what they believed.

Muslims die voluantarily for their beliefs everyday in Iraq and Syria.
It doesn't mean that Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse.

Provide some examples please.

People will die if they believe something is true, few if any will die if they know something is a lie.

 

[The Cadet]

There is no 'you' to think. There is no 'you' to experience anything. Reactive chemical compounds isn't a 'you'.

Have you spent any time researching emergent consciousness or the problem of artificial intelligence?

 

[Loudmouth]

The question then is how much do we create or control our own illusion and what exactly is the mechanism of the shared illusion that most of us seem to experience. When does illusion become disillusion?

If we say that religion is needed for morality, that really doesn't change the basic problem. How do we know that the commandments given by a religion are moral?

As an atheist, I would say that theists and atheists are equally moral. Theists use their sense of morality to determine if a religion describes a moral lifestyle. Atheists use that same sense of morality. We are all on equal footing.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If we say that religion is needed for morality, that really doesn't change the basic problem. How do we know that the commandments given by a religion are moral?

There is a test and there is no cheating allowed on the test. Everyone has to determine for themselves what standards they want to live by. Right now a lot of Christians talk about the "left behind" movie. So for those who find themselves in the tribulation period they have failed the test. They are soon going to find out that an ounce of prevention is equal to a pound of cure. One pastor use to talk about glass alibis. When people go before the throne for judgement their alibis and excuses are going to shatter and prove to be a worthless defense.

 

[joshua 1 9]

People will die if they believe something is true, few if any will die if they know something is a lie.

I am not sure sure about that. Lots of people go off to fight a war and die for little more then a lie.

 

[bhsmte]

There is a test and there is no cheating allowed on the test. Everyone has to determine for themselves what standards they want to live by. Right now a lot of Christians talk about the "left behind" movie. So for those who find themselves in the tribulation period they have failed the test. They are soon going to find out that an ounce of prevention is equal to a pound of cure. One pastor use to talk about glass alibis. When people go before the throne for judgement their alibis and excuses are going to shatter and prove to be a worthless defense.

What test? Please demonstrate how this test is objective and reliable.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I wonder how many Christians, have actually studied the NT in a critical fashion. When one is motivated to do so and they read the works of various well credentialed NT scholars and historians, it becomes quite clear, that the NT is considered, much more a work of theology, than it is a work of credible history.

I have read every word in the Bible AT LEAST five times. I know because I underline as I go and I actually have 7 Bibles that I have wore out reading them. I suggest that people read the Bible for themselves and be lead by the Holy Spirit of God. It is God that will help us to understand what we are reading. WE do not need other people to tell us what the Bible says. Of course it is always nice to know what God is doing in other peoples lives, but we should not rely on anyone for our understanding other then God. He will supply us with all the wisdom, knowledge and understanding that we would ever need.

 

[bhsmte]

I have read every word in the Bible AT LEAST five times. I know because I underline as I go and I actually have 7 Bibles that I have wore out reading them. I suggest that people read the Bible for themselves and be lead by the Holy Spirit of God. It is God that will help us to understand what we are reading. WE do not need other people to tell us what the Bible says. Of course it is always nice to know what God is doing in other peoples lives, but we should not rely on anyone for our understanding other then God. He will supply us with all the wisdom, knowledge and understanding that we would ever need.

Reading a book (or collection of stories) over and over again, is completely different from examining what is written, from a scholarly and historical view point.

You see, man can write anything in a book and stories, but to some at least, whether these stories have any level of historical credibility, is what is most important.

I take no issue with one who believes in the stories based on faith, because the book is a work of theology and theology, does indeed require faith.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What test? Please demonstrate how this test is objective and reliable.

God will put you to the test to see what you are made of. Mostly our works will be tested by fire.

1cor3 12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. 14 If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.…

They talk about treasures in Heaven. One pastor talks about sending building material ahead that they use to build our mansion there. Some people will suffer loss and others will have their reward waiting for them.