Why do people believe in a Rapture?

[JLB777]

The Resurrection and Rapture are one event, that take place at His Coming.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

The raptured ones, will be caught up TOGETHER with the resurrected ones in the clouds to be with Jesus on His way down to the mount of Olives. [Zechariah 14]

This coming of the Lord is called the Day of the Lord.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4


The Rapture of the Church takes place, a moment after the Resurrection, whereby all the saints will be gathered together, to be with Jesus.

The Day of the Lord and the resurrection of the dead comes after the tribulation.

24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27

All the saints in heaven and all the saints on earth will be gathered together, to be with the Lord, at His Coming, the Day of the Lord.


JLB

 

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[Bro.T]

Only death that ends in victory is over at the 7th trumpet.

Saints are not being changed at His coming to earth time as shown in Zech. 14, that
is when His saints all - are coming with Him.

There was a previous coming, but it is not shown in fine detail in Zechariah
14.

Don't forget that the the vials full are coming - as the seven last plagues.
The trumpets end before any vials full will begin.

I post the verses that explain the thing thats going on in the seventh trumpet.

 

[Bro.T]

Jesus says in Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

The throne of the glory of David. The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. (Psalm 132:11-14)

Lets go into Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.

Jesus army with all his angels and all his saints comes in the first Resurrection. The war between Jesus and the Kings of the earth, is the war of the Armageddon and the sword is the Word of God.

Lets go into 1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The last trump of God, which is the seventh trumpet, the saints will descend and meet the Lord in the air to be with the Lord forever.

Lets go to Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Jesus army with all his angels and all his saints’ war between Jesus and the Kings of the earth is the war of the Armageddon and the sword is the Word of God.

Lets go back to Zechariah 14: 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

No one will come out this Battle alive who goes against the Lord and his saints and angels.

 

[Chicken Little]

I think the resurrection from the dead and the Succoth/ Sukka ( translated into a kind of rapture ( where two are in the field , two in their beds ) ) event and the rapture at his coming are all very different events. and everyone is trying to make them all the same thing. these are different " visitations" of him or his spirit.

 

[JLB777]

I think the resurrection from the dead and the Succoth/ Sukka ( translated into a kind of rapture ( where two are in the field , two in their beds ) ) event and the rapture at his coming are all very different events. and everyone is trying to make them all the same thing. these are different " visitations" of him or his spirit.

There is one Resurrection/Rapture for those who are Christ's.

The two in bed or in the field... are taken by the angels to be burned.

The Resurrection/Rapture are one Event.

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


The Raptured ones are caught up together with the resurrected ones at the time of His Coming, to be with the Lord.

The Resurrection of the dead in Christ is on the last Day, at the end of the age.


JLB

 

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[Ronald]

The great tribulation ends in the 6th seal - and the sun becomes black -as the immediately
after event...the moon becomes blood as a just ahead of the day of the Lord event... but when
you get to the heaven departs as a scroll -that shows you have now entered into the day of the
Lord - and the wicked will cast away their idols before they go try to hide in the rocks for fear
of Jesus Christ and His glory.

Isaiah 2:12...Isaiah 2:18-19
Isaiah 34:4
Revelation 6:14
Revelation 6:16

Saints will be rewarded at the resurrection of the just/ Luke 14:14/7th trumpet
Revelation 11:18 - time - reward...2 John 1:8

4th seal names - make a covenant and an agreement
break them with Israel - and come as an overflowing scourge/Isaiah 28:15...Isaiah 28:18
with the four sore judgments/it is the time of - Revelation 7/Ezekiel 7:2...Ezekiel 14:21
-the time of more than one judgment against Israel to scatter her by
the worst of the heathen

5th seal - great tribulation
all saints still waiting to get righteousness outfits of Revelation 19:8
Galatians 5:5...2 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 4:8...2 Corinthians 5:21

6th seal - great tribulation ends - sun becomes black - the stars of
heaven fall - heaven departs as a scroll - the saints will be gathered
unto the Lord/7th trumpet
time to reward - time to resurrect the just
the wicked cast away their idols/mourn - and hide in the rocks

All saints return to heaven - as the wife that has been arrayed in righteousness.
eternal life clothes

7th seal is opened
time of silence in heaven - no trumpets still blaring from there
the - seven angels show up again
It is time for their next set of seven plagues. What angels are they?
The ones that stood before God in chapter 7 and gave the sealing report
as to how many they had sealed.

the seven angels - which stood before God

as in - already had done this act

 

[Ronald]

Many are in the Great Tribulation! 1/3 of the world is suffering but not yet so bad here. If you were a Christian in Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Sudan or any other Islamic country, especially the ones who are being invaded by ISIS, you would believe that you are in the Great Tribulation. If someone broke into your home and raped your wife and daughter and forced you to convert to Islam or else they would chop off your head, how much greater tribulation could exist? How much anxiety do you think Israel is going through now?
The stage is being set for WWIII in the Middle East and yes all these Islamic nations will come against Israel. This is why I believe Islam is the BEAST.
"The sun becomes black ... the moon becomes blood ..." These events will soon take place on Sept.13, 2015 and Sept. 28, 2015. This last blood moon in the tetrad is the only one that is visible, therefore the only one which will be a sign, a warning that war is imminent.
A prominent Rabbi just predicted that "the Messiah is coming" and sent out a heralding message for all Jews to return to Israel. When they asked him when, he said, "Before the end of the Sabbatical Year", which happens to be Sept. 12, 2015
To add to this, the 60 day Congressional review of the Iranian Deal will end on Sept. 20.
*This is a remnant from my post a few days ago, "The Messiah is Coming"

On Dec. 18, Tunsian revolt begins; Jan. 25, 2011 Egyptian revolt begins and Yemen 2 days later; then Libya on Feb.15, 2011; then Syria on March 15, 2011. I'd say this territory is going through a GT. Then while is going on, the world suffered a major recession, the Haiti earthquake killing 300,000 and then the Japan earthquake as well. These may not be considered great to the world but to the people involved they are. At least they should be considered the beginning of sorrows. However, when the trumpets start to blow (and on Rosh HaShannah, the Feast of Trumpets may very well be that time), we may be ushered into this GT.
It is also interesting that a generation, (three score plus ten years = 70), when added to 1948 comes to 2018. The way I see it, this is it. If not by then, I will vow to shut up about all this end time stuff I've been talking about for 20 years and will admit I was deceived. Not that it won't happen, just if not in our generation then I won't have a clue when. Honestly, I don't know how much further down this immoral spiral we can go. With the same sex marriage becoming law, I think that would be the last straw that broke the camels back! As someone said, "If God doesn't judge us soon, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah".

 

[Chicken Little]

There is one Resurrection/Rapture for those who are Christ's.

The two in bed or in the field... are taken by the angels to be burned.

The Resurrection/Rapture are one Event.

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


The Raptured ones are caught up together with the resurrected ones at the time of His Coming, to be with the Lord.

The Resurrection of the dead in Christ is on the last Day, at the end of the age.


JLB

we will have to wait and see. and i'm not going to take your word for it.
I see three seperate events in the scriptures. so we wait and we watch and we pray!

 

[BABerean2]

we will have to wait and see. and i'm not going to take your word for it.
I see three seperate events in the scriptures. so we wait and we watch and we pray!

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.



1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

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[classicalhero]

Because we aren't appointed to God's wrath, which is what the Great Tribulation is all about.

 

[JLB777]

we will have to wait and see. and i'm not going to take your word for it.
I see three seperate events in the scriptures. so we wait and we watch and we pray!

Here is a couple of verse's scripture for us to discuss. Tell me what you see here.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23

The context of all shall be made alive, is clear in the next verse... those who are Christ's.

Those who are Christ's, will be Gathered together during the Resurrection/Rapture, at His Coming.

One Event; One Gathering... at His Coming.

I see in these verse where all who are Christ's shall be made alive, at His Coming.


What do you see here?


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Many are in the Great Tribulation! 1/3 of the world is suffering but not yet so bad here. If you were a Christian in Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Sudan or any other Islamic country, especially the ones who are being invaded by ISIS, you would believe that you are in the Great Tribulation. If someone broke into your home and raped your wife and daughter and forced you to convert to Islam or else they would chop off your head, how much greater tribulation could exist? How much anxiety do you think Israel is going through now?
The stage is being set for WWIII in the Middle East and yes all these Islamic nations will come against Israel. This is why I believe Islam is the BEAST.
"The sun becomes black ... the moon becomes blood ..." These events will soon take place on Sept.13, 2015 and Sept. 28, 2015. This last blood moon in the tetrad is the only one that is visible, therefore the only one which will be a sign, a warning that war is imminent.
A prominent Rabbi just predicted that "the Messiah is coming" and sent out a heralding message for all Jews to return to Israel. When they asked him when, he said, "Before the end of the Sabbatical Year", which happens to be Sept. 12, 2015
To add to this, the 60 day Congressional review of the Iranian Deal will end on Sept. 20.
*This is a remnant from my post a few days ago, "The Messiah is Coming"

On Dec. 18, Tunsian revolt begins; Jan. 25, 2011 Egyptian revolt begins and Yemen 2 days later; then Libya on Feb.15, 2011; then Syria on March 15, 2011. I'd say this territory is going through a GT. Then while is going on, the world suffered a major recession, the Haiti earthquake killing 300,000 and then the Japan earthquake as well. These may not be considered great to the world but to the people involved they are. At least they should be considered the beginning of sorrows. However, when the trumpets start to blow (and on Rosh HaShannah, the Feast of Trumpets may very well be that time), we may be ushered into this GT.
It is also interesting that a generation, (three score plus ten years = 70), when added to 1948 comes to 2018. The way I see it, this is it. If not by then, I will vow to shut up about all this end time stuff I've been talking about for 20 years and will admit I was deceived. Not that it won't happen, just if not in our generation then I won't have a clue when. Honestly, I don't know how much further down this immoral spiral we can go. With the same sex marriage becoming law, I think that would be the last straw that broke the camels back! As someone said, "If God doesn't judge us soon, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah".

There must be a Temple rebuilt, for sacrifices and offerings to commence.

The Prince who is to come, will confirm a covenant with many for one 7 year period...

In the midst of the week, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering...


These prophecies must be fulfilled before Jesus comes again.


JLB

 

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[Chicken Little]

Here is a couple of verse's scripture for us to discuss. Tell me what you see here.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23

The context of all shall be made alive, is clear in the next verse... those who are Christ's.

Those who are Christ's, will be Gathered together during the Resurrection/Rapture, at His Coming.

One Event; One Gathering... at His Coming.

I see in these verse where all who are Christ's shall be made alive, at His Coming.


What do you see here?


JLB

you have picked out the verses that are talking about the gathering
or the awakening of all .
and made them one .



there is tons of other things happening ." But each one in his own order" yes starts with him..... ends with a ingathering of the the righteous ..

not before all in hell/ death being emptied to receive it's judgement and their judgement or maybe some their repentance. each in it's order. he has already prescribed that order.
that is just 2 days in a at least 3 1/2 time frame. there is lots more days than just two.. and it will come down in his order.
there is and has to be boats loads more things happening than just these two things.