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Not true therapists don't write letters for everyone. Also, of course a dedicated liar could food anyone, but why would they on such a matter? Just doesn't happen

It is my personal belief that some people just wish they were the opposite sex that they are, and that the myth of transgender in and of itself influences to feel that they actually are the sex they wish to be.
Therefore, they do in fact lie, it's just an unrealized lie.
 
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Semantics argument is pointless. DNA doesn't determine everything of who we are.
It determines everything genetically though and that's pretty important.
Defining yourself against your genes becomes the struggle.
It takes a lot to submit to God so that you can understand His will for you. It takes a lot of prayers to get through this. I never felt like I was the opposite sex but I know I had something very serious that I had to submit to God to learn to love who I am in Him.
 
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It is my personal belief that some people just wish they were the opposite sex that they are, and that the myth of transgender in and of itself influences to feel that they actually are the sex they wish to be.
Therefore, they do in fact lie, it's just an unrealized lie.

Hi,

Fine, you can believe that. In my profession, I am trained to find and root out liars also, to protect this society from their predations.

Psychologists and Psychiatrists are better than I am at weeding out liars, even those who lie to themselves.

Only brilliant sociopaths have even a chance of passing a lie past a Psychologist of Ph.D. ranking.

Believe all you want to, but your statement is implausible, but still possible with a small small percentage of all those with this condition. I didn't lie. I actually had a part of me that wanted them to tell me, I was wrong in some way. They said no. You are very Gender Dysphoric. You need medical treatment.

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It determines everything genetically though and that's pretty important.
Defining yourself against your genes becomes the struggle.
It takes a lot to submit to God so that you can understand His will for you. It takes a lot of prayers to get through this. I never felt like I was the opposite sex but I know I had something very serious that I had to submit to God to learn to love who I am in Him.

Hi,

I am a transgender Catholic. I also submit totally to God. He has even accepted my turning over of my Free Will to Him, contractually, and in writing. That contract is irrevocable, because I will not revoke it.

Even with that and yes death is always an option for God as I do His Work on earth, I do love who and what I am to Him. You are right in me having to work at loving who I am to God. How God keeps me alive, for some of the things I have done for Him, I do not know.

God though, seems to treat and think of me as a female. And that concurs with Science, both medically and Psychiatrically. And science is Commanded by God. It is in His blessing to us in Genesis 1:28. The Government of America also concur that I am gender dyspohric enough for medical, proven medical treatments. God tells us what to do there Biblically also. He says to follow Government laws. All of us are to do that. He says that to us through Paul, in Romans 13:1-5.

And nowhere, I am told is there anything in the Bible on being transgendered, apart from where God tells us to look for issues like this. It is Science, and Government Laws. The Government pays the Pharmacist, the medical doctor, and the required Psychiatric evaluation for me. They do not pay for all of it, just a portion.

LOVE,
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Hi,

Fine, you can believe that. In my profession, I am trained to find and root out liars also, to protect this society from their predations.

Psychologists and Psychiatrists are better than I am at weeding out liars, even those who lie to themselves.

Only brilliant sociopaths have even a chance of passing a lie past a Psychologist of Ph.D. ranking.

Believe all you want to, but your statement is implausible, but still possible with a small small percentage of all those with this condition. I didn't lie. I actually had a part of me that wanted them to tell me, I was wrong in some way. They said no. You are very Gender Dysphoric. You need medical treatment.

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...Mary., .... .

Psychology in and of itself is a science in it's infancy.
To even propose such infallibility of psychiatric profession is asinine, even laughable really.

So *believe whatever you want*. You want to believe that women are born in men's bodies, I resolve to not for the absurdity that it is.
The idea didn't come around until LGBT itself came around. They are in the business of brainwashing, and I'm not surprised many would believe such a thing thereafter.
 
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Psychology in and of itself is a science in it's infancy.
To even propose such infallibility of psychiatric profession is asinine, even laughable really.

So *believe whatever you want*. You want to believe that women are born in men's bodies, I resolve to not for the absurdity that it is.
The idea didn't come around until LGBT itself came around. They are in the business of brainwashing, and I'm not surprised many would believe such a thing thereafter.

Hi,

Please consider, not adding the word infallible, when it was not used. Please also consider not using words like infancy, asinine, laughable, absurdity, and brainwashing.

You are not right, the evidence is in, the Government even has decided that this is a medically treatable condition.

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You mean any correct adjective which what I spoke of is.
Well isn't that convenient.

Hi,

Being emotional and subjective is not useful. Your fight is with science, they listen to data only.

Is there a reason, why you won't deal with this issue, in a non angry fashion?

How about this. A blessing by God is also a commandment by God. In Genesis 1:28, He blessed us. In that Blessing is subdue the earth.

That is God's Command to us to do science. Science says, transgenderism is medical.

How about this. In Romans 13:1-5, Paul speaking under the Inspiation of The Holy Spirit, and/or the direct Words of Jesus Christ, and/or what he learned from God in that encounter with Jesus Christ Himself, in heaven or on earth, he tells us Government Laws are God's Laws also and everyone is to follow those laws.

So, now science, and the government of America say being transgender is a real and treatable, medical condition.

And if you look at the work of Bible scholars, they can scarcely find anything that clearly talks about being Transgendered.

So, in context, there is God telling us to do science, to follow His government laws on a subject, and He makes almost no statements that are clear Biblically, about transgenderism.

Are two conclusive decisions made about being transgendered, from God, to be ignored?

Is a possible reference, Biblically supposed to counter All Else that God says about a single subject?

Are, you supposed to listen to yourself, or God on each issue that God says something on?

God, has spoken clearly in our times through Romans 13:1-5, and through Genesis 1:28, on the subject of being Transgendered. It's a medical issue, not a moral one, and not wrong with God any more than a fixable, cleft Palate, is wrong with God.

LOVE,
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Hi,

I am a transgender Catholic. I also submit totally to God. He has even accepted my turning over of my Free Will to Him, contractually, and in writing. That contract is irrevocable, because I will not revoke it.

Even with that and yes death is always an option for God as I do His Work on earth, I do love who and what I am to Him. You are right in me having to work at loving who I am to God. How God keeps me alive, for some of the things I have done for Him, I do not know.

God though, seems to treat and think of me as a female. And that concurs with Science, both medically and Psychiatrically. And science is Commanded by God. It is in His blessing to us in Genesis 1:28. The Government of America also concur that I am gender dyspohric enough for medical, proven medical treatments. God tells us what to do there Biblically also. He says to follow Government laws. All of us are to do that. He says that to us through Paul, in Romans 13:1-5.

And nowhere, I am told is there anything in the Bible on being transgendered, apart from where God tells us to look for issues like this. It is Science, and Government Laws. The Government pays the Pharmacist, the medical doctor, and the required Psychiatric evaluation for me. They do not pay for all of it, just a portion.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
I can't argue with what you are saying because only you know what God have accepted from you and I can imagine it being a hard subject. But do not mistake your acceptance of yourself as God's acceptance of you. Or should I ask, are you sure it is God's acceptance of you? That's one thing I had to learn when I was going through my problem. And this is what I had to remind myself, "If I have to change who I am, against all the truth I know and against my genes and be only what I want to be in appearance only but not in every way biological, psychological or environmental then I am only pretending I am who I think I am. And it's easy to pretend that God have accepted me when I am just projecting my feelings onto Him." The hardest thing I had to learn is that the phrase "You are fearfully and wonderfully made" include my genetics. See I had to realize that the thing about God is that He want us to live without deception. To see the clearest we can possibly see. So if I do or want something but have to change who I am but not truly be what I want to be completely then there is no way it is something God is expecting me to be. I am still dealing with it. But it has gotten so much better. To see who I am, truly am, in His eyes, exactly how He created me has made life 10x more bearable. It has even helped with my self-esteem but funny thing, had made me deny myself to give Him all of me. And in return, I have a more calming peace than I had when I wanted to be what I was not.

As for following government laws, remember Daniel? There is always a limit to following man made laws, as long as it does NOT contract God. You do not look to man to approve of you, look to God. What government allows does not mean it is something accepted by God. Look, if you believe that God is okay with you being transgendered, then that is your feelings and I am not going to argue with you about it but it your logic is due to what you have told me, I would think long and hard about that. I have never been in your shoes but I had gone through something similar and believe me that wasn't the answer He gave me.

FYI: I am being very vague because I really am not very comfortable talking about it, but I assume you, I never had the desire to be the opposite-sex.
 
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I can't argue with what you are saying because only you know what God have accepted from you and I can imagine it being a hard subject. But do not mistake your acceptance of yourself as God's acceptance of you. Or should I ask, are you sure it is God's acceptance of you? That's one thing I had to learn when I was going through my problem. And this is what I had to remind myself, "If I have to change who I am, against all the truth I know and against my genes and be only what I want to be in appearance only but not in every way biological, psychological or environmental then I am only pretending I am who I think I am. And it's easy to pretend that God have accepted me when I am just projecting my feelings onto Him." The hardest thing I had to learn is that the phrase "You are fearfully and wonderfully made" include my genetics. See I had to realize that the thing about God is that He want us to live without deception. To see the clearest we can possibly see. So if I do or want something but have to change who I am but not truly be what I want to be completely then there is no way it is something God is expecting me to be. I am still dealing with it. But it has gotten so much better. To see who I am, truly am, in His eyes, exactly how He created me has made life 10x more bearable. It has even helped with my self-esteem but funny thing, had made me deny myself to give Him all of me. And in return, I have a more calming peace than I had when I wanted to be what I was not.

As for following government laws, remember Daniel? There is always a limit to following man made laws, as long as it does NOT contract God. You do not look to man to approve of you, look to God. What government allows does not mean it is something accepted by God. Look, if you believe that God is okay with you being transgendered, then that is your feelings and I am not going to argue with you about it but it your logic is due to what you have told me, I would think long and hard about that. I have never been in your shoes but I had gone through something similar and believe me that wasn't the answer He gave me.

FYI: I am being very vague because I really am not very comfortable talking about it, but I assume you, I never had the desire to be the opposite-sex.


If you have never had the desire to be of the opposite sex--then you can not equate what you have with what they have. It is 2 different issues. Transgenders know they are the opposite sex, from very very young. Not a question of wanting to be the opposite sex, they feel they are. And I am still waiting for someone to explain to me about the twins. The ones where one was born with both sets of genitals, one was removed, the other twin was not affected. The surgically altered baby was raised a boy, given male hormones at the right time, he was never told about the surgery, just told he had to have hormones because he had a medical condition. The boy from the very beginning felt he was a girl---throughout his life he thought it, and he told his parents he must be gay because he had always thought of himself as female and it had tortured him---that is when they told him about the surgery. He had no female parts, was given male hormones, raised a boy--yet always felt female. How is that explained as just talking yourself into wanting to be the opposite sex? He was just fine after being reverted to female. God gave you the answer that was for your problem, what makes you think His answer will be the same for someone who has a different problem? Why can't you accept that God has given them their answer, for now.
 
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If you have never had the desire to be of the opposite sex--then you can not equate what you have with what they have. It is 2 different issues. Transgenders know they are the opposite sex, from very very young. Not a question of wanting to be the opposite sex, they feel they are. And I am still waiting for someone to explain to me about the twins. The ones where one was born with both sets of genitals, one was removed, the other twin was not affected. The surgically altered baby was raised a boy, given male hormones at the right time, he was never told about the surgery, just told he had to have hormones because he had a medical condition. The boy from the very beginning felt he was a girl---throughout his life he thought it, and he told his parents he must be gay because he had always thought of himself as female and it had tortured him---that is when they told him about the surgery. He had no female parts, was given male hormones, raised a boy--yet always felt female. How is that explained as just talking yourself into wanting to be the opposite sex? He was just fine after being reverted to female. God gave you the answer that was for your problem, what makes you think His answer will be the same for someone who has a different problem? Why can't you accept that God has given them their answer, for now.

Hi,

Tears. Endearment. Love.

With fewer emotions from you now, but with a thought for for that other person still; One day, before God started making me think differently about being transgendered, I am in front of a picture of Jesus.

This will soon be the second time, He speaks to me from that picture. The first time, only a month and a half earlier both He, and Mary, made motions with their hands. I was handed off and up somewhere, by both of them. The looks on their faces were the same. It was possibly Euphoria. That Euphoria was cleary not for me. It was for some one else. They were extremely pleased for someone else.

As far as for giving myself up to God, the thought to that other person here, on this day, a month and a half after being passed off and up somewhere, but still being on earth, I am talking to Jesus, in the picture. I have no reason to believe He is there. It is only a picture of Him.

You both will hear of the contents of that talk, if I can remember it. And, were it not for being cautioned of not giving myself up to Gid as my possible problem, this I could not put here as prayers are done in secret to God, normally.

The year is 2007. It is maybe late summer. Much has happened to me in the last 7 years. More though within the last two years, for I have been treated to the core personality of Jesus, the Essence of The Trinitarian God, even Mary as she looked when she was 49, immediately before she died on earth.

Nothing, in that time frame was abnormal to me. As I talked to Jesus, He would be so pleased with something that I said to Him, that He would feel it in His Stomach. I felt that in him, but was so upset, that I paid no attention to it.

Jesus, I don't want eternal life. Instantly I feel what He feels. So, just almost as quickly, I knew He knew this about me, for as long as I knew that I did not want eternal life.

His pleasure was in me finally revealing this to Him.

I would continue on, knowing He always knew this about me. Then I knew this. I didn't before.

If, this can be painless ceasing to exist, please I would like that. If it cannot, as I am destroyed both body and soul in Hell, that too is okay.

For all I have done good, pkease give it away. Remember me not. I want nothing for this.

For all that I.... Immediately I felt horrible, for I knew what I was going to say, and the real story.

For all that I have done bad, please forgive me.

Full well did I then know that I have probably done more wrong than good, plus all that I have done that is Good, was really God, doing or causing that Good and not me.

Thusly, I felt horrible at my saying those unbalanced words, of my good deeds, compared to my bad deeds and thoughts in God's eyes, His actual knowledge of my badness.

I went on though.

Please if I can though, can I still keep working for you? It is just too much fun.

I was done. I had no assurances if my prayer to work for God still would be granted.

Peace, came over me. I knew my life now. I would continue to work for God, and then one day when it was my time, I would cease to exist forever.

Time stood still. my life is over, Each day I am extremely pleased. I knew hiw my life would go, till the day I died.

As time passed, I don't remember much of that time, other than my satisfaction at being granted ceasing to exist.

I don't remember much other than that, because God woukd do something to me, a month and a half later. Only then, would I have to want eternal life again, for the first time.

I did not see that consequence coming, nor would I see the consequence of God The Father having me talked to, by Gabriel, but as a girl, not a guy. Gabriel spoke to me, what The Father, God The Father wanted ta ask me. I had zero clues, this was ever going to happen, Zero.

Maybe, being certain, almost certain, for forty five or so days is enough in any ones life, with God. Some thing is approaching me from far off.

I am afraid. I do not know what it it, but I can sense it. It moves closer. It is God The Father. He gets closer and closer.

Finally He arrives. Nothing is normal. Too much is happening. I will not know for years all that happened.

I am in my every day clothes. I work for Him. I am in my every day clothes.

He arrives, He is above a thin layer of clouds. Quiet is everywhere. IT IS HIM, but it is also Him. There is no other presence felt. Stopping, I see a lower layer of clouds. It has been rolled up and pushed aside. Above the thinner layer is God The Father. I see His colors. Never before has He ever come to me like this. Some time passes. Something or someone pops up on the left, above the burm of the rolled up clouds. He is darker. I am frightened of him. He is 17 1/2 years old, whatever that means. He starts to talk, and I am upset.

What is he talking about. He should not be here. I was really upset at him. This is about me, and God The Father, What are you doing here.

Finally, I was out of words, and yes I can listen while internally talking.

So, I listened. I remembered all the words, as he talked and I looked towads him, and totally objected to him. He had so far said to me: "I'd like to"

My point so far, is do I sound like someone who has not given my life up to God? I don't know what else I could do by then. What?

Everyone who is Christian says God can solve any problem. Mine was solved before this. I did feel like a woman in a man's body. Recently after my required trip for God, I was completely thinking like a female now, alk the women knew it, and there was precisely no tool available to me then to revert back, as no doctor could tell me why. I had lost a close friend of mine, because one day he asked me, what us your problem. You and I are going to sit down and talk about it.

The day came, it was bitter. A bitter day. It would end mysteriously. I would tell him, my problem was that felt like a woman in a man's body. I lost my male friend for life.

He, though was a mystical, old Catholic Priest who retired. At the end of tge cloudy day, he asked God to straighten thus out for me. A beam if light, hit my van through thise clouds, but I never knew if that was God answereing His prayer or not. I still don't know.

That person, who later I was let known, spiritually with interior words, that this was an angel, continues to talk. "ask you a question, will you marry me?"

In short, 48 hours later, I gave my answer, and only was going to pass out twice, unknowingly. Both times, prior, God The Father left me. He had something said to me, as He was leaving.

On the third day, trusting in Him, I said YES! It is what I knew of Him by then, and His Words given to me each day, when He left, that allowed me to say YES!

What He had said to me, each day when He departed was: "I would not have asked you the question if you were not up to it"

I never really understood what He meant by that. On the third and final day, that this question would ever be asked to me, somehow that made sense to me. It made sense enough.

It took me another six years to realize, that God The Father sees me as female. Only then did I finally start to do what is called transition.

LOVE,
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If you have never had the desire to be of the opposite sex--then you can not equate what you have with what they have. It is 2 different issues. Transgenders know they are the opposite sex, from very very young. Not a question of wanting to be the opposite sex, they feel they are. And I am still waiting for someone to explain to me about the twins. The ones where one was born with both sets of genitals, one was removed, the other twin was not affected. The surgically altered baby was raised a boy, given male hormones at the right time, he was never told about the surgery, just told he had to have hormones because he had a medical condition. The boy from the very beginning felt he was a girl---throughout his life he thought it, and he told his parents he must be gay because he had always thought of himself as female and it had tortured him---that is when they told him about the surgery. He had no female parts, was given male hormones, raised a boy--yet always felt female. How is that explained as just talking yourself into wanting to be the opposite sex? He was just fine after being reverted to female. God gave you the answer that was for your problem, what makes you think His answer will be the same for someone who has a different problem? Why can't you accept that God has given them their answer, for now.
FEEL they are and KNOW they are are two different things. And I assure you, I know exactly how it feels like. For I felt that way since EARLY age.

As for the study, I do not know what you are talking about, I didn't 't read up on it.
 
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Hi,

Tears. Endearment. Love.

With fewer emotions from you now, but with a thought for for that other person still; One day, before God started making me think differently about being transgendered, I am in front of a picture of Jesus.

This will soon be the second time, He speaks to me from that picture. The first time, only a month and a half earlier both He, and Mary, made motions with their hands. I was handed off and up somewhere, by both of them. The looks on their faces were the same. It was possibly Euphoria. That Euphoria was cleary not for me. It was for some one else. They were extremely pleased for someone else.

As far as for giving myself up to God, the thought to that other person here, on this day, a month and a half after being passed off and up somewhere, but still being on earth, I am talking to Jesus, in the picture. I have no reason to believe He is there. It is only a picture of Him.

You both will hear of the contents of that talk, if I can remember it. And, were it not for being cautioned of not giving myself up to Gid as my possible problem, this I could not put here as prayers are done in secret to God, normally.

The year is 2007. It is maybe late summer. Much has happened to me in the last 7 years. More though within the last two years, for I have been treated to the core personality of Jesus, the Essence of The Trinitarian God, even Mary as she looked when she was 49, immediately before she died on earth.

Nothing, in that time frame was abnormal to me. As I talked to Jesus, He would be so pleased with something that I said to Him, that He would feel it in His Stomach. I felt that in him, but was so upset, that I paid no attention to it.

Jesus, I don't want eternal life. Instantly I feel what He feels. So, just almost as quickly, I knew He knew this about me, for as long as I knew that I did not want eternal life.

His pleasure was in me finally revealing this to Him.

I would continue on, knowing He always knew this about me. Then I knew this. I didn't before.

If, this can be painless ceasing to exist, please I would like that. If it cannot, as I am destroyed both body and soul in Hell, that too is okay.

For all I have done good, pkease give it away. Remember me not. I want nothing for this.

For all that I.... Immediately I felt horrible, for I knew what I was going to say, and the real story.

For all that I have done bad, please forgive me.

Full well did I then know that I have probably done more wrong than good, plus all that I have done that is Good, was really God, doing or causing that Good and not me.

Thusly, I felt horrible at my saying those unbalanced words, of my good deeds, compared to my bad deeds and thoughts in God's eyes, His actual knowledge of my badness.

I went on though.

Please if I can though, can I still keep working for you? It is just too much fun.

I was done. I had no assurances if my prayer to work for God still would be granted.

Peace, came over me. I knew my life now. I would continue to work for God, and then one day when it was my time, I would cease to exist forever.

Time stood still. my life is over, Each day I am extremely pleased. I knew hiw my life would go, till the day I died.

As time passed, I don't remember much of that time, other than my satisfaction at being granted ceasing to exist.

I don't remember much other than that, because God woukd do something to me, a month and a half later. Only then, would I have to want eternal life again, for the first time.

I did not see that consequence coming, nor would I see the consequence of God The Father having me talked to, by Gabriel, but as a girl, not a guy. Gabriel spoke to me, what The Father, God The Father wanted ta ask me. I had zero clues, this was ever going to happen, Zero.

Maybe, being certain, almost certain, for forty five or so days is enough in any ones life, with God. Some thing is approaching me from far off.

I am afraid. I do not know what it it, but I can sense it. It moves closer. It is God The Father. He gets closer and closer.

Finally He arrives. Nothing is normal. Too much is happening. I will not know for years all that happened.

I am in my every day clothes. I work for Him. I am in my every day clothes.

He arrives, He is above a thin layer of clouds. Quiet is everywhere. IT IS HIM, but it is also Him. There is no other presence felt. Stopping, I see a lower layer of clouds. It has been rolled up and pushed aside. Above the thinner layer is God The Father. I see His colors. Never before has He ever come to me like this. Some time passes. Something or someone pops up on the left, above the burm of the rolled up clouds. He is darker. I am frightened of him. He is 17 1/2 years old, whatever that means. He starts to talk, and I am upset.

What is he talking about. He should not be here. I was really upset at him. This is about me, and God The Father, What are you doing here.

Finally, I was out of words, and yes I can listen while internally talking.

So, I listened. I remembered all the words, as he talked and I looked towads him, and totally objected to him. He had so far said to me: "I'd like to"

My point so far, is do I sound like someone who has not given my life up to God? I don't know what else I could do by then. What?

Everyone who is Christian says God can solve any problem. Mine was solved before this. I did feel like a woman in a man's body. Recently after my required trip for God, I was completely thinking like a female now, alk the women knew it, and there was precisely no tool available to me then to revert back, as no doctor could tell me why. I had lost a close friend of mine, because one day he asked me, what us your problem. You and I are going to sit down and talk about it.

The day came, it was bitter. A bitter day. It would end mysteriously. I would tell him, my problem was that felt like a woman in a man's body. I lost my male friend for life.

He, though was a mystical, old Catholic Priest who retired. At the end of tge cloudy day, he asked God to straighten thus out for me. A beam if light, hit my van through thise clouds, but I never knew if that was God answereing His prayer or not. I still don't know.

That person, who later I was let known, spiritually with interior words, that this was an angel, continues to talk. "ask you a question, will you marry me?"

In short, 48 hours later, I gave my answer, and only was going to pass out twice, unknowingly. Both times, prior, God The Father left me. He had something said to me, as He was leaving.

On the third day, trusting in Him, I said YES! It is what I knew of Him by then, and His Words given to me each day, when He left, that allowed me to say YES!

What He had said to me, each day when He departed was: "I would not have asked you the question if you were not up to it"

I never really understood what He meant by that. On the third and final day, that this question would ever be asked to me, somehow that made sense to me. It made sense enough.

It took me another six years to realize, that God The Father sees me as female. Only then did I finally start to do what is called transition.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
Thank you for your explanation. May God be with you.
 
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Hi,

Fine, you can believe that. In my profession, I am trained to find and root out liars also, to protect this society from their predations.

Psychologists and Psychiatrists are better than I am at weeding out liars, even those who lie to themselves.

Only brilliant sociopaths have even a chance of passing a lie past a Psychologist of Ph.D. ranking.

Believe all you want to, but your statement is implausible, but still possible with a small small percentage of all those with this condition. I didn't lie. I actually had a part of me that wanted them to tell me, I was wrong in some way. They said no. You are very Gender Dysphoric. You need medical treatment.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
yet even the stats that have been given show that there can be and are misdiagnosis...so are you then suggesting that all misdiagnosis are because the patient is a sociopath? that is a bit harsh isn't it?
 
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Hi,

I am a transgender Catholic. I also submit totally to God. He has even accepted my turning over of my Free Will to Him, contractually, and in writing. That contract is irrevocable, because I will not revoke it.

Even with that and yes death is always an option for God as I do His Work on earth, I do love who and what I am to Him. You are right in me having to work at loving who I am to God. How God keeps me alive, for some of the things I have done for Him, I do not know.
this would be contentment....
God though, seems to treat and think of me as a female. And that concurs with Science, both medically and Psychiatrically. And science is Commanded by God. It is in His blessing to us in Genesis 1:28. The Government of America also concur that I am gender dyspohric enough for medical, proven medical treatments. God tells us what to do there Biblically also. He says to follow Government laws. All of us are to do that. He says that to us through Paul, in Romans 13:1-5.
Now, I don't understand this, scripture says (it was already presented if you need it again, let me know) that in Christ there is no male or female, yet here you proclaim God seems to treat and think of you as a female. If there is no male or female in Christ, how could He possibly treat and think of you as male or female? This makes no sense to me. Please explain...thanks in advance
And nowhere, I am told is there anything in the Bible on being transgendered, apart from where God tells us to look for issues like this. It is Science, and Government Laws. The Government pays the Pharmacist, the medical doctor, and the required Psychiatric evaluation for me. They do not pay for all of it, just a portion.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
I don't want to comment on this until I can understand what you intend when you say God seems to think and treat you with gender when scripture says that in Him there is no distinction
 
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Hi,

Being emotional and subjective is not useful. Your fight is with science, they listen to data only.

Is there a reason, why you won't deal with this issue, in a non angry fashion?

How about this. A blessing by God is also a commandment by God. In Genesis 1:28, He blessed us. In that Blessing is subdue the earth.

That is God's Command to us to do science. Science says, transgenderism is medical.

How about this. In Romans 13:1-5, Paul speaking under the Inspiation of The Holy Spirit, and/or the direct Words of Jesus Christ, and/or what he learned from God in that encounter with Jesus Christ Himself, in heaven or on earth, he tells us Government Laws are God's Laws also and everyone is to follow those laws.

So, now science, and the government of America say being transgender is a real and treatable, medical condition.

And if you look at the work of Bible scholars, they can scarcely find anything that clearly talks about being Transgendered.

So, in context, there is God telling us to do science, to follow His government laws on a subject, and He makes almost no statements that are clear Biblically, about transgenderism.

Are two conclusive decisions made about being transgendered, from God, to be ignored?

Is a possible reference, Biblically supposed to counter All Else that God says about a single subject?

Are, you supposed to listen to yourself, or God on each issue that God says something on?

God, has spoken clearly in our times through Romans 13:1-5, and through Genesis 1:28, on the subject of being Transgendered. It's a medical issue, not a moral one, and not wrong with God any more than a fixable, cleft Palate, is wrong with God.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
be careful of the teaching that anything is permissible as long as the government allows it, Paul himself was thrown into prison many times over because he defied the same government laws that have at least twice now been used to justify transgender therapies. The point being, this is NOT a sound biblical argument for transgender therapies.
 
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If you have never had the desire to be of the opposite sex--then you can not equate what you have with what they have. It is 2 different issues. Transgenders know they are the opposite sex, from very very young. Not a question of wanting to be the opposite sex, they feel they are. And I am still waiting for someone to explain to me about the twins. The ones where one was born with both sets of genitals, one was removed, the other twin was not affected. The surgically altered baby was raised a boy, given male hormones at the right time, he was never told about the surgery, just told he had to have hormones because he had a medical condition. The boy from the very beginning felt he was a girl---throughout his life he thought it, and he told his parents he must be gay because he had always thought of himself as female and it had tortured him---that is when they told him about the surgery. He had no female parts, was given male hormones, raised a boy--yet always felt female. How is that explained as just talking yourself into wanting to be the opposite sex? He was just fine after being reverted to female. God gave you the answer that was for your problem, what makes you think His answer will be the same for someone who has a different problem? Why can't you accept that God has given them their answer, for now.
so far, I have refused to take sides on the matter as to whether or not it is viable to be transgender or not, so far, I have not come to a conclusion on that question. I do believe that contentment must be part of the healing as previously talked about, but I hate it when I ask a question and no one even attempts to answer it, so let me offer you the best answer I have to the story you relate of the twins. The honest, unbiased truth, is that we have too many variables to make a call based on this story alone. For example, what would the altered twins natural hormones say, maybe the parents made the mistake. What about society, kids are unforgiving when it comes to bullying and such, what about hormone treatment itself and how that affects our minds, don't forget the other twin that would have felt an uncanny connection but was a different sex, etc. etc. etc. All of these things can and do affect the outcome of the questions you raise and cannot be removed if we are to have a fair and unbiased look at the questions at hand.
 
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so far, I have refused to take sides on the matter as to whether or not it is viable to be transgender or not, so far, I have not come to a conclusion on that question. I do believe that contentment must be part of the healing as previously talked about, but I hate it when I ask a question and no one even attempts to answer it, so let me offer you the best answer I have to the story you relate of the twins. The honest, unbiased truth, is that we have too many variables to make a call based on this story alone. For example, what would the altered twins natural hormones say, maybe the parents made the mistake. What about society, kids are unforgiving when it comes to bullying and such, what about hormone treatment itself and how that affects our minds, don't forget the other twin that would have felt an uncanny connection but was a different sex, etc. etc. etc. All of these things can and do affect the outcome of the questions you raise and cannot be removed if we are to have a fair and unbiased look at the questions at hand.


The truth of the matter is that this is happening more and more worldwide. And this is not just this one story. In India there are more of them, more of them that have both sets and one was removed only to find out later that they removed the wrong ones. So now, they no longer eliminate one set at birth--they wait for the child to determine what to do as it gets older. Plus, many have been unable to have any kind of surgery to remove one set due to finances and both sets are kept. They are in great demand on the sex circuit and most become prostitutes and work in porn as they are rejected everywhere else. This is beyond sad. But this whole thing of having both sets is even getting into the animals. An increase among frogs has been noted--I personally owned a cat that we also discovered had 2 anuses. What is going on? Is this somehow a part of chemicals, drugs and pesticide usage? We are tampering with everything so maybe. These are people with a dilemma that is simply not understood clearly enough and they can only do what is available to them now. Very few have any Christian outlook, or access to it and have to deal with the issue from their own religious viewpoint, which is no more supportive than the Christian. Maybe on down the road something else will be discovered to help them. But in the meantime----?
It is interesting to me, that in spite of upbringing, surgery and even hormone therapy, these people with both sets who had had the wrong one removed, can still know they are not right even though no one has told them the truth. It just seems to indicate that some kind of imprinting might be going on in the brain--such as when a limb is removed, yet pain and even itching is still felt in the limb and needs to be investigated further. Which, again, needs money and people who are interested in the matter. Much of this reminds me of the old view of all mental disorders being labeled as demonic and giving in to our fallen natures instead having some sort of chemical imbalance.
Like my friend who had her head tilted to one side, it was getting worse to where her head was almost on her shoulder. She went to doctors who told her it was all in her head and she just needed to change her way of thinking, and some saying it was a way to get attention. Even I started to think that. She was miserable and started to doubt her own sanity. One day she went to a yet another specialist and when she walked in she immediately knew she had come to the right place--there were 5 other patients with the same thing! She has to take a little pill for the rest of her life and her head is, once again, straight, just a slight tilt. The brain is complex and mostly unknown.
 
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