Your stand on homosexuality?

[ToBeLoved]

return to Christ and repent

Are you presuming that they have 'left Christ' because they have committed that sin?

We have to be careful about pulling out homosexuality and placing a higher sin level on it than adultery and other fornification.

Too many people are judging homosexuals more harshly than heterosexuals who sexually sin. To God a sexual sin is a sexual sin.

If we are feeling any righteousness that we are not comitting homosexual sin vs. heterosexual sin, than we need to examine ourselves because it's all sin.

 

[alexsonofmatthew]

I am saying that Christians who have these perverted thoughts should flee from it and return to Christ and repent.

 

[saintandrew4life]

homosexuality is a sin. that is what God said.

 

[alexsonofmatthew]

Amen

 

[ken777]

Homosexuality is not a debatable issue within Christianity. The bible is clear on the subject. We should pray and help those people who are perverted.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.


Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

One aspect of homosexuality that should be discussed within the Church is whether it is a sin to be homosexual, or whether one can be a celibate homosexual Christian. Is it necessary for a celibate homosexual to actively seek to change his sexual attraction to the same sex, or is it no different to the sexual attraction a heterosexual man experiences?

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[Catherineanne]

I view marriage is between one man and one woman and all sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful. period.

That being said; I do not believe simply being ATTRACTED to the same sex is sinful...just choosing to commit lust/act on it IS.

-Yes, I believe it is the result of the fall...same with inclinations to be judgmental, or too drink to much, or too fornicate, etc.

I can say nothing about it at all. I am not gay, and therefore am not qualified to judge those who are. There but for the Grace of God go any one of us; we ought to pray for our brothers and sisters, and trust in the mercy of God for us all.

I have my own personal moral code, but I don't expect the rest of the world to follow it because it is not the product of morality but of longstanding abuse. I have learned to avoid abuse by avoiding people.

Few would want to follow my example, whether gay or straight, so I assume I am the one who is out of step with the world, and try to refrain from judging anyone else at all. Fwiw I think the Lord is far more concerned with how we treat one another than who we happen to sleep with.

In my more judgemental moments, however, I do wonder why so many Christians are so very preoccupied with what gay people get up to. What IS that all about?

 

[samkadya]

The Seventhday Adventist Church recognizes that every human being is valuable in the sight of God, and we seek to minister to all men and women in the spirit of Jesus. We also believe that by God's grace and through the encouragement of the community of faith, an individual may live in harmony with the principles of God's Word.

Seventhday Adventists believe that sexual intimacy belongs only within the marital relationship of a man and a woman. This was the design established by God at creation. The Scriptures declare: "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Gen 2:24, NIV). Throughout Scripture this heterosexual pattern is affirmed. The Bible makes no accommodation for homosexual activity or relationships. Sexual acts outside the circle of a heterosexual marriage are forbidden (Lev 18:5-23, 26; Lev 20:721; Rom 1:2427; 1 Cor 6:911). Jesus Christ reaffirmed the divine creation intent: "'Haven't you read,' he replied, 'that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?" So they are no longer two, but one'" (Matt 19:46, NIV). For these reasons Seventh-day Adventists are opposed to homosexual practices and relationships.

Jesus affirmed the dignity of all human beings and reached out compassionately to persons and families suffering the consequences of sin. He offered caring ministry and words of solace to struggling people, while differentiating His love for sinners from His clear teaching about sinful practices. As His disciples, Seventh-day Adventists endeavor to follow the Lord's instruction and example, living a life of Christ-like compassion and faithfulness.

 

[Destiny2015]

I personally judge homosexuality more harshly because homosexuals and their supporters won't even let me have my belief that it's a sin.

As a sin, however, I judge it the same way as I judge people who have premarital sex or drink too much, with no intent to stopping. But it's politically correct and "allowed" to avoid people like that or mention that you you feel their behavior is sinning without being called a bigot. I have a big problem with people who do the same sin over and over and over and are in my face about it.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Christ's blood is not a license to continue in habitual sin.

There are many, many Christians caught in habitual sin, this is not a homosexual sin problem. This is a sin problem.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I personally judge homosexuality more harshly because homosexuals and their supporters won't even let me have my belief that it's a sin.

As a sin, however, I judge it the same way as I judge people who have premarital sex or drink too much, with no intent to stopping. But it's politically correct and "allowed" to avoid people like that or mention that you you feel their behavior is sinning without being called a bigot. I have a big problem with people who do the same sin over and over and over and are in my face about it.

Are you speaking about a saved person that is part of the family of Christ or an unsaved person?

Part of the problem with unsaved people in general, homosexual or heterosexual is that they do not recognize sin. Why would we expect those who do not feel that they need a Savior to recognize sin?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I am saying that Christians who have these perverted thoughts should flee from it and return to Christ and repent.

Ok. Anyone who has sexual thoughts that are not clean within a marriage or with another person who they are not married to is a sin.

Why then pick out homosexuals? I'm not getting your point? What about sexual deviants of all types?

 

[Winepress777]

As the title suggests. Tell me what is your stance on homosexuality.

I believe that:

- Homosexuality is unnatural, but not a choice. It's a problem of the soul (either caused by satan or original sin or both)

- Homosexuals should not be discriminated...

-...but same-gender marriage and adoption of children for gay couples should not be allowed.

- You can be "cured" of homosexuality if it's God's will.

- I've had a bisexual and a gay friend. They only differ by their sexuality, unlike Fundamentalists claim: "THEY ARE ALL PEDOPHILES!!! THEY RAPE OUR CHILDREN!!!!!".

Here is my stand on homosexuality;

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

1 Corinthians 7:2
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Jude 1:7

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

 

[Destiny2015]

Are you speaking about a saved person that is part of the family of Christ or an unsaved person?

Part of the problem with unsaved people in general, homosexual or heterosexual is that they do not recognize sin. Why would we expect those who do not feel that they need a Savior to recognize sin?

Define saved? Because we really don't know who is and isn't.

I'll say that it bothers me when believers deny something is a sin, and it others me when non-believers tell me I'm a bigot for believing something is a sin.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Define saved? Because we really don't know who is and isn't.

I'll say that it bothers me when believers deny something is a sin, and it others me when non-believers tell me I'm a bigot for believing something is a sin.

A person who comes to God and more specifically Jesus Christ for the redemption of sin by His shed blood on the cross. A person who admits that they are a sinner, per Biblical definition (ie.. 10 Commandments), who is forgiven by Christ and joins the family of God.

 

[Destiny2015]

Ok. Anyone who has sexual thoughts that are not clean within a marriage or with another person who they are not married to is a sin.

Why then pick out homosexuals? I'm not getting your point? What about sexual deviants of all types?

I don't know of any adulterers who call you a bigot and threaten you physically if you happen to mention you think adultery is a sin, nor do they want legal protection for it - and yes, it's illegal in some areas/communities (think the military). That's the difference.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I don't know of any adulterers who call you a bigot and threaten you physically if you happen to mention you think adultery is a sin, nor do they want legal protection for it - and yes, it's illegal in some areas/communities (think the military). That's the difference.

I have to wonder how you are approaching them. Is it from a perspective of love? And gentleness? And trying to understand them and their trials?

 

[Destiny2015]

I have to wonder how you are approaching them. Is it from a perspective of love? And gentleness? And trying to understand them and their trials?

I personally don't approach them at all. I'm speaking of things I read on Facebook and everywhere else on the internet.

Homosexuals and their supporters are, bar none, the most hateful people I have ever had the misfortune of hearing from.

 

[0000]

One aspect of homosexuality that should be discussed within the Church is whether it is a sin to be homosexual

What does it mean to "be homosexual"? Do you define a male or female by the urges (albeit, oftentimes, strong urges) they experience on a day to day basis? Was it a sin that Adam and Eve were tempted? Did they fall because they were tempted? Or was the fall a result of having acted on that temptation?

Mind you, this comes from an Eastern Orthodox POV, but basically what I'm saying is that we're not condemned for being tempted. Our great saints confirm this and Scripture does as well.

or whether one can be a celibate homosexual Christian.

If this means that they live with these urges (not accept, but live in the sense that they have no choice but to accept that this is, in fact, their current and fallen state, as clearly there's no switch they can use in and of themselves to turn these desires off), but they don't accept them nor act on said temptations and seek to be delivered from them, then yes, they can live in that state for the time being and would not be considered sinners.

Is it necessary for a celibate homosexual to actively seek to change his sexual attraction to the same sex

If having homosexual desires is bad, then is change good? If you don't accept homosexuality as being a sin, then it may take a bit longer to persuade you (if that's even possible, seeing as how some are hell-bent on maintaining their own heretic position), but if you do, then really, it's a terrifyingly simple conclusion, Ken.

If a man has an issue with lusting (goes back as far as childhood), since he doesn't live out on that lust, should he not seek to change his desires from what's considered evil to things of a holy and blessed nature? Should he not make a "promise' with his own eye never to lust after a woman, the way Job did, because, well, "it's who I am - I've always been this way"?

or is it no different to the sexual attraction a heterosexual man experiences?

From a secular standpoint, no different. From an Orthodox point of view, big difference. The heterosexual orientation a male and a female experience is natural and thus may lead to a Scripturally blessed union. Not only that, the actual union between a male and a female is an earthly image of the mystical and unexplainable spiritual union between Christ and His Church. This holy image is not present within the confines of a same-sex relationship.

 

[Norm d'Plume]

I personally don't approach them at all. I'm speaking of things I read on Facebook and everywhere else on the internet.

Homosexuals and their supporters are, bar none, the most hateful people I have ever had the misfortune of hearing from.

I'm currently reading all over the Internet about a 21-year-old white man who killed 9 blacks at a church. That doesn't make all 21-year-old white men killers.

A white police officer was recently charged with murder for shooting a fleeing black man in the back several times. The video of that event will probably put him on death row. But that doesn't mean all white police officers are hateful racists.

In 2011, a Christian pastor burned a copy of the Koran (the Muslim Bible) in a stunt that he knew could cause violence against Americans overseas. As expected, the result was violent protests and deaths in Afghanistan. But that doesn't mean all Christians hate Muslims.

In other words, I wouldn't equate openly angry LGBT people with all LGBTs. Nevertheless, I fully understand their anger. They are human beings (including many Christians) struggling to overcome discrimination no different than that faced by blacks. The same Bible currently used to justify homophobia was once used to justify racism.

In many parts of the country, LGBT are hated; threatened; killed; at risk of losing their jobs, health insurance, and homes; are prevented from being with a dying partner in a hospital because they're not "family"; are prevented from adopting children in need of loving homes; and are often discarded by their "Christian" families, leaving many teens (kids!) homeless. Up to 40% of homeless teens are LGBT.

I would recommend you read the following article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
It's about a young gay man who was tortured and left to die in a horrendous way. It is one of the most heartbreaking killings of a gay man in my lifetime. His death was as awful as that of Christ, except it took longer. I don't cry often, but I did for him. I still do.

ISIS/ISIL terrorists in the Middle East have found an equally creative solution: throw them off tall buildings and, if they survive, stone them to death.

Personally, I would be happy to allow Christian businesses to refuse to serve LGBTs on the basis of religion. But I don't know how to reconcile that with the right all of Americans to be treated equally. How is a sign that says "no gays" any different from one that says "no blacks". At a minimum, shouldn't the sign then also exclude all adulterers, all blasphemers, all those who disrespect their parents, who bear false witness, work on the Sabbath, or any of the other nearly 1000 sins listed in the Bible?

And if we're going to continue to discriminate against LGBTs based on what it says in the Bible, then shouldn't we also debate stoning sinners to death, as advocated throughout the Old Testament. Why does that never come up?
http://www.openbible.info/topics/stoning_to_death.

God bless you.
Norm

 

[Destiny2015]

I think you misunderstand. I am not speaking of reading about things on the internet, I am speaking of things homosexuals say and their supporters say on the internet.

I can give you at least a dozen people who have said absolutely vicious things about Christians after today's decision. I can tell of you at least two gap men who threatened to find some lesbians to rape another woman who dared say she thought homosexuality was a sin. I can tell you of another person who threatened to make out with me because she knows of my opinions from back when I let me know what I believe. And that's not even counting the hundreds of comments about sky fairies and wearing clothing of two different colors.

But I suppose you think that's all ok because they've been discriminated against.