The Queen Of Heaven Is A Devil!

[4x4toy]

They also reported Peters grave found in Israel a few years ago , but also in Rome .. Both can't be right , was the other Simon the grave in Rome ?

 

[Wgw]

They also reported finding the grave of Jesus. So its nonsense.

The actual tomb of St. Peter is under the opulent basillica Leo X built bymfleecing the poor via his indulgences scam, which caused the Protestsnt schism. But hey, its a pretty church; I just wish Leo X had valued unity of faith over architecture.

In recent years the Vatican archaeologists have done a terrific job using a number of advanced technologies like uktrasound to probe the grave of Peter, and my understanding is they believe they have located it precisely.

Now you can ask, is that really Peter?

But all Christians believed so until the Radical Refor,ation, and most, including the Romans, the Orthodox, and a huge number of Protestants, do believe its his grave.

 

[Wgw]

One more thing 4x4toy: our only info about Jesus comes through the Apostles and the Church that preserved their writings. Jesus left no written material of his own except a letter to the King of Edessa of dubious authenticity.

 

[4x4toy]

Simon Magus was the founder of the Gnostic Heresy, according to St. Irenaeus. You are, in the above posts, depending entirelt on Orthodox/Catholic sources: Irenaeus, Eusebius's Ecclesiastical History, and St. Epiphanius of Salamis, who wrote an encyclopedia of heresies, and also St. Hippolytus, and Tertullian and Origen.

The same men who said Simon Magus went to Rome also taught that Peter followed him there from Antioch, where he and Paul were first called Christians, to fight off Simon Magus and stop him blaspheming Christianity. While there, Peter converted Roman Jews (yes, there were Jews living in Rome in large numbers, including Agrippa, the friend and lone voice of sanity in the life of the evil Emperor Caligula, who erected a statue of Zeus in the Temple after falling out with Agrippa, not to be confused with the ally of Julius Caesar and Octavian, Admiral Agrippa, who was not Roman).

Ss. Peter and Paul both were killed in Rome; Paul, necause he was a Roman citizen, died by the sword outside the Pomerium within which only the Praetorian Guards were armed, the Pomerium being the sacred precincts of the central city. Peter however was not a citizen and was crucified upside down.

Simon Magus most probably died after having himself buried alive, promising to rise in three days, suggesting he was not only evil but had come to believe his own faith.

A wild alternate hagiography posits that theough demonic agencies, he flew through the air, until the prayers of Ss. Peter and Paul caused him to splatter in the forum.

Paul never mentioned Peter in Rome but did many others , Paul was quite a name dropper to leave out Peter .. Where do you suppose Peter was all that time ?

 

[4x4toy]

One more thing 4x4toy: our only info about Jesus comes through the Apostles and the Church that preserved their writings. Jesus left no written material of his own except a letter to the King of Edessa of dubious authenticity.

Every born again Christian has testimony of Jesus and if all the things He did were written the Earth itself could not contain the books .. I've been told myself I should write a book about my testimony of Him .. I'd like to hear Francis's

 

[4x4toy]

They also reported finding the grave of Jesus. So its nonsense.

The actual tomb of St. Peter is under the opulent basillica Leo X built bymfleecing the poor via his indulgences scam, which caused the Protestsnt schism. But hey, its a pretty church; I just wish Leo X had valued unity of faith over architecture.

In recent years the Vatican archaeologists have done a terrific job using a number of advanced technologies like uktrasound to probe the grave of Peter, and my understanding is they believe they have located it precisely.

Now you can ask, is that really Peter?

But all Christians believed so until the Radical Refor,ation, and most, including the Romans, the Orthodox, and a huge number of Protestants, do believe its his grave.

Just going off memory but wasn't the ones who found Peters grave in Israel catholic ?

 

[4x4toy]

Another note .. I have worshipped God along side and fellow shipped with born again Catholics in a Presbyterian church also donated money to Catholic relief services .. I'm mostly Baptist with a touch of Pentecostal after 24 yrs of being athiest

 

[Wgw]

Every born again Christian has testimony of Jesus and if all the things He did were written the Earth itself could not contain the books .. I've been told myself I should write a book about my testimony of Him .. I'd like to hear Francis's

Demons are known to impersonate angels, saints, even our Lord in order to deceive, according to St. Paul. The only rock solid testimony we have is the 27 books of the New Testament.

Now, that said, as secondary and highly reliable testimony we have the Patristic corpus which provides interpretation and context. And all of these authors believed Ss. Peter was in Rome and martyred with St. Paul. The earliest reference to Peter being in Rome is 1 Clement, dated to 91 AD, around the time St. John died. All ancient historians of the Church say that St. Peter founded two churches, in Antioch and Rome, and St. Mark, who was his protege as well as an evangelist, founded the church of Alexandria. That is why after the devastation of Jerusalem in 130 AD following the Bar Kochba revolt these three cities, Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch, in that order.

 

[Wgw]

Another note .. I have worshipped God along side and fellow shipped with born again Catholics in a Presbyterian church also donated money to Catholic relief services .. I'm mostly Baptist with a touch of Pentecostal after 24 yrs of being athiest

I appreciate your ecumenical sensibilities. I wish you would take a look at the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches; you will find many spirit filled saints, such as Seraphim of Sarov and John of Kronstadt. Father alazarus, the so called Last Anchorite, is a Coptic monk who lives in a cave next to the ancient cave of St. Anthony and a video series featuring him is available on youtube. This material might help you to understand the faith that thus far 80+ Copts and Ethiopian Copts have died for in Libya, and what other Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox and Assyrian Chrostoans are being tortured and dying for in Iraq and Syria.

In Mosul, the evil Islamic State forcibly circumcised without anaesthesia the few remaining Christians, who have had to pay an extortionate Jizya tax and are not allowed to leave the city. These Christians were Syriac Orthodox and Catholic, Chaldean Catholic, and Assyrian.

 

[4x4toy]

Demons are known to impersonate angels, saints, even our Lord in order to deceive, according to St. Paul. The only rock solid testimony we have is the 27 books of the New Testament.

Now, that said, as secondary and highly reliable testimony we have the Patristic corpus which provides interpretation and context. And all of these authors believed Ss. Peter was in Rome and martyred with St. Paul. The earliest reference to Peter being in Rome is 1 Clement, dated to 91 AD, around the time St. John died. All ancient historians of the Church say that St. Peter founded two churches, in Antioch and Rome, and St. Mark, who was his protege as well as an evangelist, founded the church of Alexandria. That is why after the devastation of Jerusalem in 130 AD following the Bar Kochba revolt these three cities, Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch, in that order.

Then Constantine comes and incorporates all religions and gods .. right or wrong ?

 

[Wgw]

Then Constantine comes and incorporates all religions and gods .. right or wrong ?

Wrong. St. Constantine was a passive participant at the Council of Nicea which condemned Arianism, the teaching that Jesus was not of one essence with the Father. However on his deathbed he was baptized by Eusebius of Nicomedia, an Arian bishop who was a master politician. Between the death of Constantine in the 330s and the coronation of Emperor Theodosius, the Orthodox were continually persecuted by Arians. St. Athanasius was driven into exile five times and some Orthodox/Catholics were martyred. Perescution continued in Milan and other local areas until 390. Thos view is widely held; read Wikipedia's arricle on Arianism and on Emperor Constantine for a balanced perspective.

Do you not care about your Christian brothers in the Middle East? And what they are shedding blood for?

 

[4x4toy]

I appreciate your ecumenical sensibilities. I wish you would take a look at the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches; you will find many spirit filled saints, such as Seraphim of Sarov and John of Kronstadt. Father alazarus, the so called Last Anchorite, is a Coptic monk who lives in a cave next to the ancient cave of St. Anthony and a video series featuring him is available on youtube. This material might help you to understand the faith that thus far 80+ Copts and Ethiopian Copts have died for in Libya, and what other Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox and Assyrian Chrostoans are being tortured and dying for in Iraq and Syria.

In Mosul, the evil Islamic State forcibly circumcised without anaesthesia the few remaining Christians, who have had to pay an extortionate Jizya tax and are not allowed to leave the city. These Christians were Syriac Orthodox and Catholic, Chaldean Catholic, and Assyrian.

Wgw , I find you quite pleasant , thanx for your responses .. I find born again Chistians in most churches .. I value all input to consider . I will check out the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox

 

[4x4toy]

Wrong. St. Constantine was a passive participant at the Council of Nicea which condemned Arianism, the teaching that Jesus was not of one essence with the Father. However on his deathbed he was baptized by Eusebius of Nicomedia, an Arian bishop who was a master politician. Between the death of Constantine in the 330s and the coronation of Emperor Theodosius, the Orthodox were continually persecuted by Arians. St. Athanasius was driven into exile five times and some Orthodox/Catholics were martyred. Perescution continued in Milan and other local areas until 390. Thos view is widely held; read Wikipedia's arricle on Arianism and on Emperor Constantine for a balanced perspective.

Do you not care about your Christian brothers in the Middle East? And what they are shedding blood for?

Sorry I don't trust Wickipedia .. Didn't Constantine hate Jews ? Yes I pray Gods grace to endure on them daily

 

[Wgw]

Sorry I don't trust Wickipedia .. Didn't Constantine hate Jews ? Yes I pray Gods grace to endure on them daily

Refarding the Jews, I dont think St. Constantine hated them more or less than any Roman Emperor since the Bar Kochba revolt in AD 130. Jews like Christians were enemies of the atate until the reign of Julian the Apostate about 25 years after Constantine died. He tried to revive Paganism, which had been dying since Constantine enacted the Edict of Milan guaranteeing religious freedom and ending the persecution of the Christians. Julian executed Christians and to spite them authorized the Jews to rebuild the Temple. They were stopped by the eruption of "balls of fire." However I dont read this anti-Semitically; modern scholars believe a buildup of natural gas in the Temple Mount was released causing the jets of fire. By the time the Muslims conquered Jerusalem this would have dissipated. Note that the Temple Mount was not part of the first or original second temple but was rather a project begun in the first century AD to rebuild the second temple on an elevated plaza sp that it would tower over Jerusalem and rival Greco Roman temples like the Parthenon. So thus, the Temple Jesus worshipped in was architecturally technically the third rebuilding.

I would support Jewish efforts to rebuild the Tabernacle as a mobile alternative to the Temple but I fear any attempt to rebuild on the Temple Mount would enrage the Haredi Orthodox Jews who maintain only the Messiah can do this, and would cause a nasty war with the entire Muslim world that would seriously endanger Israeli security. At least if the building of the temple involved the demolition of either the Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque. One problem is the Jews believe the Dome of the Rock sits atop the Holy of Holies. So its a messy situation. Thankfully we have the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. In an ideal world the Jews would have their temple and we would have the Hagia Sophia.

 

[Rhamiel]

Ba'al means "lord"

when you hear people worship the Lord do you assume they are talking about the idol Ba'al?

 

[Wgw]

Ba'al means "lord"

when you hear people worship the Lord do you assume they are talking about the idol Ba'al?

it can also mean Master, very similiar to the Syriac Mar or the Aramaic root rba roughly meaning great.

The Jews have a famous Rebbe known as the Baal Shem Tov. Also, the actual person who handles the Cantillation of the Torah is the Baal Korei, Master of Readings. Yet I dont aee anyone falsely accusing the Jewish people of Baal worship; neither should the Virgin Mary, who we are directed in Luke ch. 1 to refer to as "blessed", be slandered through likening to Astarte/Ishtar or other Semitic Goddess figures.

 

[4x4toy]

They also reported finding the grave of Jesus. So its nonsense.

The actual tomb of St. Peter is under the opulent basillica Leo X built bymfleecing the poor via his indulgences scam, which caused the Protestsnt schism. But hey, its a pretty church; I just wish Leo X had valued unity of faith over architecture.

In recent years the Vatican archaeologists have done a terrific job using a number of advanced technologies like uktrasound to probe the grave of Peter, and my understanding is they believe they have located it precisely.

Now you can ask, is that really Peter?

But all Christians believed so until the Radical Refor,ation, and most, including the Romans, the Orthodox, and a huge number of Protestants, do believe its his grave.

Uh , Scripture tells us where Jesus tomb was .. But the stone was found rolled away and the tomb empty on the third day ..He even left the napkin folded up signifying He would return ..

 

[4x4toy]

Back to the OP .. I've heard the church tortured and killed many , many Jews and Christians through the years .. How could any one be expected to believe Mary, Jesus own mother would ever include herself in such .. Or torture of anyone for that matter if it's true of coarse ..

 

[4x4toy]

Ba'al means "lord"

when you hear people worship the Lord do you assume they are talking about the idol Ba'al?

I only call Jesus LORD , I can't speak for others so I can only assume

 

[4x4toy]

Refarding the Jews, I dont think St. Constantine hated them more or less than any Roman Emperor since the Bar Kochba revolt in AD 130. Jews like Christians were enemies of the atate until the reign of Julian the Apostate about 25 years after Constantine died. He tried to revive Paganism, which had been dying since Constantine enacted the Edict of Milan guaranteeing religious freedom and ending the persecution of the Christians. Julian executed Christians and to spite them authorized the Jews to rebuild the Temple. They were stopped by the eruption of "balls of fire." However I dont read this anti-Semitically; modern scholars believe a buildup of natural gas in the Temple Mount was released causing the jets of fire. By the time the Muslims conquered Jerusalem this would have dissipated. Note that the Temple Mount was not part of the first or original second temple but was rather a project begun in the first century AD to rebuild the second temple on an elevated plaza sp that it would tower over Jerusalem and rival Greco Roman temples like the Parthenon. So thus, the Temple Jesus worshipped in was architecturally technically the third rebuilding.

I would support Jewish efforts to rebuild the Tabernacle as a mobile alternative to the Temple but I fear any attempt to rebuild on the Temple Mount would enrage the Haredi Orthodox Jews who maintain only the Messiah can do this, and would cause a nasty war with the entire Muslim world that would seriously endanger Israeli security. At least if the building of the temple involved the demolition of either the Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque. One problem is the Jews believe the Dome of the Rock sits atop the Holy of Holies. So its a messy situation. Thankfully we have the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. In an ideal world the Jews would have their temple and we would have the Hagia Sophia.

I don't know as much as I'd like about the Temple rebuild but , I've seen where Levitical Rabbis are training and all the Temple implements are being made and even the Ark of the Covenant is available and ready to go ...