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this piece of information gives absolutely no license to run around defacing ones body


and this is exactly the point .. they do what THEY THINK .. if we acknowledge the lord before we act .. then wait on him patiently (patience -a fruit of the Holy Spirit )he will direct our paths and then we will act not thinking .. but KNOWING HIS WILL .

Some Christians of a dispensational outlook see the Gospel as the ultimate rule of the Christian life rather than some view of legal 'correctness'. So if there is a Gospel opportunity in a faith based tattoo (Bible verse, etc.) they are likely to take it.
 
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A lot of Christians do a lot of things for reasons that make perfect sense in their own minds. We humans have the ability to rationalize just about any action, and we can make it seem so noble when we tell ourselves why we are doing it.

I don't think that you would walk up a random person and say, "You need to get a tattoo." But your own words here in this thread make it apparent that you would counsel someone who asks you if they should get a tattoo in a way that would encourage them to do it. You'd probably recommend a "gateway tattoo" (i.e. the small one in an inconspicuous place) if they are not sure, knowing that the attention they'd receive from it would give them courage to get the larger one that is harder to cover.

If you want a tattoo to "witness", then I'm happy for you. But you should never encourage someone else to get one unless they already have one.

I think you should get a tattoo. I'd suggest a gateway tattoo, they're easy to cover and can be put in an inconspicuous place. Going to go get one now?

We are all responsible to make sure we aren't deceived. Blame someone else if you like, goes back to Adam and Eve IMO.
 
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this piece of information gives absolutely no license to run around defacing ones body

And I also think we shouldn't have music in churches, thats not how they were started. But I do agree with you 100 percent, you never have license to run around defacing another's body. Guess we can start from there then disagree on everything else. :liturgy:
 
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I think you should get a tattoo. I'd suggest a gateway tattoo, they're easy to cover and can be put in an inconspicuous place. Going to go get one now?

We are all responsible to make sure we aren't deceived. Blame someone else if you like, goes back to Adam and Eve IMO.

Well, personally I find the phrase 'gateway tattoo' a bit odd. Seems to link it obliquely with drug culture, which is not the case.
 
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Some Christians of a dispensational outlook see the Gospel as the ultimate rule of the Christian life rather than some view of legal 'correctness'. So if there is a Gospel opportunity in a faith based tattoo (Bible verse, etc.) they are likely to take it.

I think the Bible is a book of responsibility, God to us and us to God. But I think when people start getting legalistic on it, then start preaching their convictions instead of the Bible, then they start to get onto thin ice.
 
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Our former director of music worship at my church has several tattoos that are each meaningful to him, and there are many other adults I respect who have them.

Yes, many Christians have them, feel it's a proven effective way to testify.
 
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are not all those things of love for God defined by our acknowledgement of him BEFORE we do them that we may then surrender our will TO him IN LOVE that we might do HIS WILL to HIS glory .rather then walk in our own reasoning and will?

as the apostle said ... you say I will go here and there and buy and sell .. but you should say .."IF THE LORD WILLS" ..... that is simply to say before you run off etching your body -a part of the temple of the Holy Spirit of the Lord Jesus who has redeemed it (purchased it back )by his own blood and to whom our lives now belong -Or promote the action in others less spiritually mature , should We not FIRST acknowledge the Lord in all our ways and wait on him to know his will for each of us ?
of course we should .
but oh too many folks wish to do whatever they think is right, attempting to justify their action according to their own carnal reasoning .
on one hand they say" oh I do it to gods glory" and on the other they are saying "I don't care to know what my lord and saviors will is for me in this thing which "I" do ... one is a love from the lips(lip service) .. the other is a love willing to lay down what self desires in order to better please God rather then self .

A Christian can acknowledge the Lord with all their heart, glorify him, and build the foundation of their lives upon his word and still have a tattoo. Many choose tattoos that are significant to their faith. It depends on the intentions of their tattoo, the ramifications that tattoo could conceivably have in regards to one's employment or school, and whether it is appropriate and respectful for the setting they are in. Getting a visible tattoo when it is prohibited by your employers, getting one as a minor when it is prohibited by your parents, or getting one that could be deemed offensive to those in your community would be egocentric and disrespectful. Others who have tattoos had entirely benign motives, and they are enhancements to their lives and witnessing. The key is to be mindful, considerate, and loving towards others with your actions, not to be a pharisaical. Here in LA where there's such a creative, artistic vibe a thoughtful tattoo can be a wonderful conversation-starter, and something that others appreciates the way they would a painting. I've seen how people have responded to those I know with tattoos, and how it's actually been something that does indeed honor the Lord in a genuine and active way. I go to one of the largest churches in the US, Bel Air Presbyterian, and all but one person in the very popular worship band has a tattoo, as do many of the members of the congregation and visitors. Most here in LA would be more likely to gravitate towards a tattoo or simply have a neutral reaction to it, and they'd be more likely to be repelled by your attitude. Perhaps in a more conservative environment a tattoo would be more isolating, and therefore not as positive or appropriate for a Christian.

A multitude of actions can be based on carnal reasoning, unwholesome, and contrary to God's desires for us. Just as sex between loving married couples has an entirely different tone to it than prostitution, so does a tattoo of a meaningful verse, quote, or symbol have a different meaning than one of a swastika. Do you diligently obey the Law of Moses? Do you take all verses precisely as they are written, without studying whether other verses modify them? Do you consider the historical context and intent? I already explained the probable reasons for why tattoos had been forbidden under the Law. "Swine" was also prohibited by the Law, primarily because back in the Bronze Ages when it was written it was more difficult to properly store pork, and it could become contaminated and therefore "unclean" and unsafe to eat quickly. It was a verse intended to keep people safe and healthy, and now in the day of refrigeration and sanitary food standards there's no reason to keep it. I'm a vegetarian but I fully believe Christians have the right to eat bacon if they wish, and the only time I'd feel concerned about it was if the person ate it to a gluttonous, self-destructive extent instead of in healthy modification. If someone was addicted to tattoos or making foolish decisions with them, like going into debt, I'd voice concern if I was close to him or her, but otherwise would trust them to make decisions for themselves.

You chose to use a font that is challenging for those who come here from a mobile device to read because it suited you, and that's your prerogative. We all make decisions, tiny and large, based on preferences and personal reasons, and we should have some grace and tolerance for others when their preferences and reasons are not to our personal liking.
 
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Yes, many Christians have them, feel it's a proven effective way to testify.

From my experience that's been very true. I've witnessed how tattoos have connected people here, and crossed language barriers abroad. My dad, stepmom, and uncle are physicians and I've tagged along with them when they've gone on medical missions to play my ukulele and keep the kids entertained while waiting to be seen. My uncle and a few others on the team have tattoos, and it's amazing to see how they've been something people have gravitated towards and taken interest in. He has simple cross on his wrist, and when we were in rural northern China this old lady got so excited when she spotted it, and then rushed out and brought back her granddaughter who spoke English to tell him that she was a Christian, too. It was really lovely.


Hi; yes, I'd be certain that a lot of young women of about your age in LA have gotten tattoos; it seems to be a very popular means of expression for young people, especially young women, including Christians.

So was your tattoo idea for something faith based maybe?

It's very much an individual thing, anyway.

When I was in Shanghai last year I was just deliberating getting a small tattoo of a peacock feather on my big toe. I was 15 then so I wasn't going to get anything elaborate and time-consuming. I decided against it because I knew I should talk to my parents first, and with the time difference I couldn't get in touch with them. We were leaving that night. Peacock feathers have always been inspiring to me because they are like walking beauty, examples of God's craftsmanship with art, and they have meaningful symbolism. Ancient Christians believed peacocks were representative of eternal life, rejuvenation, and and the resurrection of Christ.

I painted this of a very close friend who was killed in an accident a few months ago, and have thought about getting it or a variation of it in a tattoo one day. Emma The Vibrantly Beautiful Angel.... Photo by arabesque1997 | Photobucket I'm not that knowledgeable about tattoos yet and don't know how easily an artist can replicate an original design? There are some extremely talented tattoo artists here, so I think they could, but I'm not sure. I might get a modified version of it, like a butterfly with peacock wings and a small verse. I like "luceat lux vestra" (let your light shine / Matthew 5:16). I need to have a professional appearance for the career I want to pursue so I would just get it someplace that I could easily cover up, like on the back of my shoulder.
 
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People will always justify what they want to do. Either with their body or with their mind.
Reminds me of how Martin Luther crawled up stairs on his knees to show religious fervor.
When someone wants to do something that their conscience may tell them is wrong, then they want to blame it on God. Oh well it is a way to sooth conscience and still do what carnal reasoning wants.
Now many are having horn-bumps put on their heads. They sky's the limit when it comes to man following their own wills.
Who's kingdom do you serve?
 
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Others who have tattoos had entirely benign motives, and they are enhancements to their lives and witnessing. The key is to be mindful, considerate, and loving towards others with your actions, not to be a pharisaical. Here in LA where there's such a creative, artistic vibe a thoughtful tattoo can be a wonderful conversation-starter, and something that others appreciates the way they would a painting. I've seen how people have responded to those I know with tattoos, and how it's actually been something that does indeed honor the Lord in a genuine and active way.

If I may say so, these are some well thought out and mature reflections. You must have come to some very deliberate and convicted conclusions about this means of witness.

Of course, the main thing is to have the Word of God stored in one's heart! :)
 
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I might get a modified version of it, like a butterfly with peacock wings and a small verse. I like "luceat lux vestra" (let your light shine / Matthew 5:16). I need to have a professional appearance for the career I want to pursue so I would just get it someplace that I could easily cover up, like on the back of my shoulder.

Sounds like if you do eventually have this colorful Bible verse done, it would be after a lot of careful deliberation. Yes, shoulder is a widely liked placement and it can be covered. Does your stepmom have any ink?
 
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When someone wants to do something that their conscience may tell them is wrong, then they want to blame it on God.

Who's kingdom do you serve?

I'd imagine most reasonable and knowledgeable Christians of legal age don't have a conflict of conscience regarding a tattoo on their own body because they contemplate the context of the scripture prohibiting it and their motives for getting one. If they did, then by all means, they should deliberate on the decision, pray on it, and seek wise counsel. Once again, it all has to do with the intentions for the tattoo and the consideration of it. Christians who are ignorant of the reasoning for the Mosaic Law prohibition of tattoos squawk about it and universally condemn it, but others put it in the proper context and realize that the contents of ones heart and his actions are of more importance than his appearance.

You can explore the archives for The New York Times and discover what previous generations of people flapped about and considered to be cavings in to carnal desiring. "Shampooing" was one of them. Yes, for real. When shampoo became commercially available in the late 1800s people thought the chemicals from it would seep into the brain and become corruptive. Shampoo was a tool of Satan to let demons into your brain. Doctors and ministers preached against it. They thought it was indulgent, unwholesome, a satisfaction of a desire for the pleasant sensation of shampooing your hair. Churches believed that good moral Christians should deny themselves. No, shampooing and tattooing are not the same but ignorant pharisaicalness of the condemnation for it is.

If runners in today's time ran in the nude as was common back in the Biblical era they'd be called perverts. Customs change with the times. What is of timeless and universal importance is how we treat one another and ourselves and the love we have for our God. A benevolent-minded Christian with tattoos is likely to fulfill the Great Commission more than one whose piousness is as evident as his tattoo.

Who do I serve? Jesus. :)
 
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Sounds like if you do eventually have this colorful Bible verse done, it would be after a lot of careful deliberation. Yes, shoulder is a widely liked placement and it can be covered. Does your stepmom have any ink?

No, she doesn't, but her twin sister has a few meaningful tattoos and she loves them. It's simply a matter of personal preference. My uncle has several, and they each are commemorative or purposeful in some way. My 20-year-old brother has one now and is also significant to him. My great-grandpa has one that he got with his "brothers" in WW2.

If I may say so, these are some well thought out and mature reflections. You must have come to some very deliberate and convicted conclusions about this means of witness.

Of course, the main thing is to have the Word of God stored in one's heart! :)

Thank you for your kind comment. :)
 
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No, she doesn't, but her twin sister has a few meaningful tattoos and she loves them. It's simply a matter of personal preference. My uncle has several, and they each are commemorative or purposeful in some way. My 20-year-old brother has one now and is also significant to him. My great-grandpa has one that he got with his "brothers" in WW2.

So has your aunt talked to you about the meaning behind her tattoos? any of them faith based, maybe?
 
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I'd imagine most reasonable and knowledgeable Christians of legal age don't have a conflict of conscience regarding a tattoo on their own body because they contemplate the context of the scripture prohibiting it and their motives for getting one. If they did, then by all means, they should deliberate on the decision, pray on it, and seek wise counsel. Once again, it all has to do with the intentions for the tattoo and the consideration of it. Christians who are ignorant of the reasoning for the Mosaic Law prohibition of tattoos squawk about it and universally condemn it, but others put it in the proper context and realize that the contents of ones heart and his actions are of more importance than his appearance.

You can explore the archives for The New York Times and discover what previous generations of people flapped about and considered to be cavings in to carnal desiring. "Shampooing" was one of them. Yes, for real. When shampoo became commercially available in the late 1800s people thought the chemicals from it would seep into the brain and become corruptive. Shampoo was a tool of Satan to let demons into your brain. Doctors and ministers preached against it. They thought it was indulgent, unwholesome, a satisfaction of a desire for the pleasant sensation of shampooing your hair. Churches believed that good moral Christians should deny themselves. No, shampooing and tattooing are not the same but ignorant pharisaicalness of the condemnation for it is.

If runners in today's time ran in the nude as was common back in the Biblical era they'd be called perverts. Customs change with the times. What is of timeless and universal importance is how we treat one another and ourselves and the love we have for our God. A benevolent-minded Christian with tattoos is likely to fulfill the Great Commission more than one whose piousness is as evident as his tattoo.

Who do I serve? Jesus. :)

Same with lipstick, a century ago! :) Then it became symbolic of responsible women, for whom Elizabeth Arden's pink lipstick became a symbol of women's suffrage, against which some hardliners continued for a while to preach against.

I don't see the point of making a fuss against either women's suffrage, or lipstick, or tattoos! :)
 
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I hear both sides of this; good and bad. I am a Christian who is a strong believer in the Lord but I have many tattoos and love them. Any thoughts?

People will go back and forth on this all day. I think Brad Stine summarizes it well: "whatever you do should drive people toward the Cross, not away from it." Furthermore, Pastor Bob Beeman says, "is it helping your walk with God?" If you find pleasure in your tattoos, praise God. I'm there with you. There are those who find pleasure in their untouched canvases; praise God.

I just wish we wouldn't get cannibalistic about it, eating each other's heads off about "Leviticus this" and "defacing that." I really wish we could focus on the larger issues of life.

That's my $0.02.
 
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I think some Christians look at the matter from a pragmatic perspective: a faith based tattoo (Bible ref. or verse, Christian fish sign <><, etc.) is a proven effective way of starting conversations with people, which maybe - rather than some aesthetic idea - is the whole point.

Blessings.

Making excuses doesn't strengthen your point. The Bible say's that the body is a temple and were to treat it as such. So adding tatoos (of any kind) to that temple is not living according to the word.
 
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Making excuses doesn't strengthen your point. The Bible say's that the body is a temple and were to treat it as such. So adding tatoos (of any kind) to that temple is not living according to the word.

This is such a funny statement. A tattoo is a coulour injected by a needle. Is it the colour that is making it defile the temple or the needle? If it's the colour, is it because God doesn't like colour, because the whole OT proves else wise. Is it the needle? Cause there are diabetics all around the world that may take exception to it. If it because it's an unnecessary needle? That's the hook you want to hang your hat on? That's not living according to the word? A tattoo doesn't defile the temple, as I'm pretty sure it's what comes out of our heart that does a good job of that.

So I guess my question is what sort of interpretation guide you use to come up with the belief that a tattoo is anti-Bible?
 
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Making excuses doesn't strengthen your point. The Bible say's that the body is a temple and were to treat it as such. So adding tatoos (of any kind) to that temple is not living according to the word.

Do preachers shave?

The previous verse in Leviticus seems to say not to trim the corners of one's beard.

I don't think I've said to anyone, Go get a tattoo.

My question is, Are we really under the law the same way as Old Testament Jews were?
 
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