Islam:Peaceful and Tolerant?

[kenzo0]

1.) So you've met perfect Christians? Wow. So you've met right-wing Muslims in terms of foreign policy and perfect Christians. Next you'll be telling me that you also met E.T.

I don't think you would understand what Christian truly meaning is.. but, the Christians would not die for heaven sake, its for sure

2.) Are you saying that the majority of the Christian world is not really Christian and when they die they'll go to Hell forever? Because they were violent or did not give up adultery or what the other sins are in your religion?

oops sorry..
honestly my dear sister, nobody in this earth can effort the heaven.. do you think by not committing adultery the Christians will go to heaven? nay..
do you think by not do violent or give up other sins in Christianity then the Christians will go to heaven?.. http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=12&p=368649#nope..
Heaven is only welcome perfectness, that's why Jesus said "You, therefore, must be perfect [growing into complete maturity of godliness in mind and character, having reached the proper height of virtue and integrity], as your heavenly Father is perfect." and nobody can be perfect as Him.
there's only His mercy would save human being from hell..

if in your religion, by kill kafir can get paradise..

its different story, if Islam paradise affordable by human effort.

3.) How does that end up working out with your belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for your sins?

God is full of mercy, heaven is a gift, not to sell.
btw, Jesus who died on the cross, was not Isa al-Maseeh(the Muslim Jesus who need to be blessed or peace) because my Jesus Christ give bless and peace

Well, I provided the proof. You haven't. I live as a Muslim in America so I know what I go through and I know what other Muslims go through (and there is proof through non-Muslims - it's not just us saying it). Right now, the only person speaking nonsense is you.

I guess, it happen because of the 9/11 incident.
what you and your other muslims fellow got through its not under Bible instruction, sister..its human instinct, after see the threat that muslims could do, even in minor number.
BUT, its different what Christians minority got through among muslims..for its under Quran and hadith.

To determine, you can show us which passage in the BIble according to Jesus instruction, to do such thing to others?
then, we can see in the Quran which instructed its follower to do such thing to non muslim...

If they focused on white Christians more, maybe they would have been able to stop Adam Lanza and James Holmes. Maybe they would've found James Holmes buying thousands of rounds of ammo suspicious if only they had been spying on white Christians as much as they spy on Muslims.

you put "Christians" as their label..could you show the command from Christ which encourage their act? I think they not act under Christ command

BUT, again, its Islam that encourage its follower to violent others, only depend the Muslims want to do it or not, for paradise is the prise they will get, if they take action

But no, they're too busy showing inflammatory, inaccurate videos about Muslims to police officers on a continuous loop for a whole year. They're too busy making their own plots, entrapping young Muslims, and then thwarting their own terror plots. They're too busy illegally searching Muslim neighborhoods even if their jurisdiction does not reach that far. They're too busy threatening an influential, religious Muslim man that if he refuses to become an informant, they'll make his life a living hell. They're too busy terrorizing Muslims in other lands.

I feel sorry for that.
just like what I have said above.

In case you missed Illuminaughty's post, here it is again:




And you call me remarkably biased. Pfft!!!!!

1.) It's not a new religion. It's the same religion/message that Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus and all of the other Prophets & Messengers (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them all) were sent with.

2.) The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) split the moon,

any evident dear?

took the Night Journey to Jerusalem and came back in one night,

made a tiny bit of milk sufficient for a whole group of men to drink their fill (i.e. no room left in their stomachs),

the tree trunk that the Prophet used to lean on wept when the Prophet stopped delivering his sermons against it & the Prophet stroked it to calm it - the tree weeping was witnessed by those in the masjid, water flowed from his hands from which 1500 men drank & performed ablution, he healed a broken leg, and the biggest miracle of all (greater than even the splitting of the moon or water flowing from his hands) is the Qur'aan. All of this occurred by the will and power of Allaah.

:o

3.) It's not my problem if you refuse to accept the miracles that God sent.

I don't think, the miracle to be slave is better then gift to be children

Because I'm going to take your criteria for prophecies. Right, no thanks. The fact that so many of his prophecies have already come to pass (and they were accurate) only serves to strengthen my faith in Islaam.

its like the al aqsa had visited by Muhammad even it haven't build

1.) I didn't say the religion prospers. I said people of other religions have prospered.

2.) To the best of my knowledge, no other land when ruled by a religious non-Muslim has allowed people of other religions (especially minority religions) to prosper. However, when religious Muslims have ruled nations, non-Muslims were able to prosper & flourish to the extent that Jews were telling persecuted Jews in Christian areas to come & move to the Muslim area.

if Islam is so good, why a lot of muslims kills other muslims, that force some of them flee, and become refugee in other country?

My only options are not to stay silent about the unfairness or leave. Until even this much freedom of speech is made illegal, I won't stop criticizing the unjust policies.

some women in the country which made freedom of speech illegal, they criticizing the unjust policies too(e.g. the women protest over punishment for women who had being raped)...what do you think about that?

@ContraMundum, sorry to answer your field, I just want to share my thought.
go on





God bless

 

[ContraMundum]

1.) So you've met perfect Christians?

I've met, know and serve real Christians, who would not claim to be perfect but have the power and Spirit of God in their lives, which is working perfection in them. They are twice born people.

That my friend is a Christian.

2.) Are you saying that the majority of the Christian world is not really Christian and when they die they'll go to Hell forever? Because they were violent or did not give up adultery or what the other sins are in your religion?

Bingo! It took you this long to work that out? This is paramount the to Christian message! You can't claim to be Christian just because you were born in a Christian nation, or home, or whether or not you attend church, or whether or not you live by the "golden rule", or whether or not you give charity or whatever. Just as a person living in a garage is not a car so a person having all the trappings or outward appearances or living in a "Christian country" is not a Christian.

3.) How does that end up working out with your belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for your sins?

Read John 3:1-21.

1.) It's not a new religion. It's the same religion/message that Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus and all of the other Prophets & Messengers (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them all) were sent with.

It's a new religion. If it was the old religion it wouldn't have added to and taken away from the previous revelation. If it was the old religion, there would be no Hajj, no prayer facing toward Mecca...and Mohammed would have had to be a Jew.

2.) The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) split the moon,

The moon is not split. We've been there. There's no evidence of it ever being split. Why would God split the Moon anyway? How does that do anything? Biblical miracles have a purpose.

took the Night Journey to Jerusalem and came back in one night,

That never happened. No one else saw it happen. His account of the city was inaccurate.

made a tiny bit of milk sufficient for a whole group of men to drink their fill (i.e. no room left in their stomachs),

Indian gurus do stuff like that even now. Google it. Next.

the tree trunk that the Prophet used to lean on wept when the Prophet stopped delivering his sermons against it & the Prophet stroked it to calm it - the tree weeping was witnessed by those in the masjid, water flowed from his hands from which 1500 men drank & performed ablution, he healed a broken leg, and the biggest miracle of all (greater than even the splitting of the moon or water flowing from his hands) is the Qur'aan. All of this occurred by the will and power of Allaah.

I have to stop there. Sorry, but this is all just like modern guru stuff. Scariest of all- if his religion is not the kosher, orthodox religion of God, not changing anything, then all the miracles are just lying signs.

This was of course accurately predicted in the NT. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

Tell me, how many people did he raise from the dead? Did he himself raise from the dead?

There's a famous story about about something that happened during the French Revolution. A humanist philosopher approached Talleyrand (A Chief revolutionary official) with a bid to make humanism the official religion of France. He complained that he was struggling to get new converts. He asked for Talleyrand's advice. "What would you suggest I do?" he asked. "I should recommend," said Talleyrand, "that you get yourself crucified, and then die, but be sure to rise again the third day."

Replace the humanist in the story with Mohammed- and you get the picture.

3.) It's not my problem if you refuse to accept the miracles that God sent.

You must prove God sent them first!

Intentionally replacing even ONE of God's laws is an act of major disbelief.

Then why don't Muslims keep the Sabbath? Why are Muslims allowed to eat shellfish, camels etc? Why is the commandment regarding false witness changed?

1.) I didn't say the religion prospers. I said people of other religions have prospered.

You actually did say prosper. Check.

2.) To the best of my knowledge, no other land when ruled by a religious non-Muslim has allowed people of other religions (especially minority religions) to prosper.

You live in the US, right? I'm rather shocked you would say that.

Get a phone book. Check out how many religions there are in the US. There's thousands. All free to grow, and prosper, rise or fall on their own merit. Complete with an authentic constitutional right to be protected under the freedom of religion clause. Now check out the list in a Muslim nation. Try find such diversity, growth and protection.

Seems to me that religion thrives much better in a democracy than in a Medieval theocratic system. Pretty plain evidence.

However, when religious Muslims have ruled nations, non-Muslims were able to prosper & flourish to the extent that Jews were telling persecuted Jews in Christian areas to come & move to the Muslim area.

In a free democracy, that's not even necessary.

I don't give a crap what Hamza Yusuf has to say regarding politics or creed. I didn't even listen to him when his lectures were supposedly decent in terms of politics, so why would I listen to him now?

Hehehe....I knew he was too close to the truth. You prefer the radicals, don't you? Yes or not?

 

[ContraMundum]

Ya you are right..Those Western "Christian" nations tend to opress muslims in their own lands, not in Western "Christian" lands...

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. Playing the victim card again. Western nations do not even occupy to rule "Muslim" countries anymore. There are no wars of conquest happening either.

Muslims need to stop trying to blame the West and the "Jews" for their lack of political progress and failed governments. The scapegoat will only last for so long, and the young people in countries like Iran are starting to see it for the lie it is- and want to take charge of their own destiny. I say more power to those who are sick of their governments trying to blame the West and the Jews for their own failures.

 

[ContraMundum]

In case you missed Illuminaughty's post, here it is again:

And you call me remarkably biased. Pfft!!!!!

I note in that posted chart from Illuminaughty that:

a) there are no Christian terrorists. No one doing terrorism in the Name of Jesus.

b) Muslim extremists, according to the chart, are responsible for 6% of terrorist acts in the US. But according to the stats, they make up only .08 of the population? What's with that? (Not to mention the biggest and most violent terrorist acts (eg 9/11) seem to come from Muslim extremists)

So- you keep telling us that there are "Christian terrorists", yet....it doesn't sit well with the presented facts. People simply aren't commiting terror in the name of Jesus. However, radical extremist Islam (eg. doing it in the name of their religion) seems to present a hugely disproportionate amount of terrorism.

Your own sources keep wrecking your arguments.

 

[Lollerskates]

I am not what one would call a "Muslim sympathizer" - I don't think they need any sympathy. But, I do like to call BS when I see it. American narrative of 9/11 paints Muslims as the offenders, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Silverstein made a gargantuan profit on the demise if the twin towers - due to his strategically timed insurance policy. "Pull it" is a demolition phrase - and it takes weeks to rig a proper demolition. That is just one example - just one. I will go into more USA clown behavior with Bush swearing to his people Iraq had weapons of mass destruction only to find NONE. Sadaam beat him at his own game, and sold the weapons the USA sold to him years before (that is why Bush was "so sure" they had WMDs.) An entire war base on a lie. And American Christians can in one breath say that sin is bad, and with the same breath condemn people. That is why very few take us seriously; and some of us wear that as a self righteous badge of honor.

And then the States has the nerve to say Islam isn't peaceful? What, Christianity is? Christ is most certainly Great, but some of His followers are delusional.

Oh, and there were/are Christian terrorists. They are call Jesuits. And, just 150 years ago, it was a Christian ironclad dogma that dark skinned (particularly African) people were seeds of Satan, and worth of slavery. I'm not sure it is any different today in the States. Christians have their history just like any other - after all, they are humans

 

[smaneck]

Says the turkish muslim who is living in lands stolen from non-muslims. Free Cyprus. Free Constantinople. Free Byzantium.

Let's free America while we are at it and give it back to the people we stole it from. Oh, and let's not forget Australia and New Zealand.

Are we really in the position to point fingers here?

 

[smaneck]

Come to think of it, how did all of those Muslim lands become Muslim in the first place?

Very gradually. Iran remained predominantly Zoroastrian for three centuries after the Arab invasions. Much of the conversion occurred after the Mongold invasions when Muslims were no longer ruling these areas. Other countries conquered by Muslims, such as Spain and India never became predominantly Muslim.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

In simple comparison of al-Qur'an to the Bible I could easily say that Islam is more tolerant. Christian avoid this truth though by dissociating themselves from the practices of the OT which is nothing but a cop-out.

 

[LoAmmi]

In simple comparison of al-Qur'an to the Bible I could easily say that Islam is more tolerant. Christian avoid this truth though by dissociating themselves from the practices of the OT which is nothing but a cop-out.

The Tanakh doesn't say not to tolerate other people. On the contrary, it says of ancient Israel that one is supposed to treat a person visiting the country as if they were a native born. As if they were one of your own people. How much more tolerant than that can you be?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

The Tanakh doesn't say not to tolerate other people. On the contrary, it says of ancient Israel that one is supposed to treat a person visiting the country as if they were a native born. As if they were one of your own people. How much more tolerant than that can you be?

Indeed that may be tolerant but considering that I have counted over 2 million deaths explicitly mentioned int he Tanakh while the Qur'an leaves it vague and contradicts its statements with hose of peace and war I sum it up as the Qur'an being the better of the two.

Keep in mind though this does not say much because we are only comparing the two books. I am sure Mein Kampf is exceedingly more unfriendly than either of the two.

But a religious book does not constitute the behavior of the religious adherents because unlike common perception Muslims have kept a lengthy trail of bloodshed all throughout history to this modern day while Jews have not. Also there is the little cheat to this issue which is that I did not include the ahadith because if I did then the Qur'an with Ahadith combined would be 7 times more violent, unfriendly and non tolerant then Mein Kampf.

 

[LoAmmi]

Indeed that may be tolerant but considering that I have counted over 2 million deaths explicitly mentioned int he Tanakh while the Qur'an leaves it vague and contradicts its statements with hose of peace and war I sum it up as the Qur'an being the better of the two.

Are we to understand that all two million of those deaths were seen as really good things people are supposed to emulate?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Are we to understand that all two million of those deaths were seen as really good things people are supposed to emulate?

That is sort of my point. When you tack on extra textual information to the Qur'an then it becomes a matter of the demand to emulate behavior presented in the text.
But at face value the Qur'an is more tolerant.

 

[Deacon Don]

... Christian avoid this truth though by dissociating themselves
from the practices of the OT which is nothing but a cop-out.

It's not a cop out. We are no longer under the law save what
Jesus taught.

 

[Lollerskates]

In simple comparison of al-Qur'an to the Bible I could easily say that Islam is more tolerant. Christian avoid this truth though by dissociating themselves from the practices of the OT which is nothing but a cop-out.

Not all Christians believe no longer being under the law = not having to follow the OT and NT. Christ specifically said "till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."Not all has been fulfilled - the Kingdom has not been physically brought to earth yet. No one has been resurrected to perfection yet. So, following His logic, nothing from the law should pass. Following all law does not mean that you are damned or cursed by it unless you believe following it to perfection is what saves you. It is possible to follow Sabbaths, and eat clean meats while knowing it will never save you from hell - that Christ's sacrifice and faith in Him, and God's grace save you.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I've met, know and serve real Christians, who would not claim to be perfect but have the power and Spirit of God in their lives, which is working perfection in them. They are twice born people.

That my friend is a Christian.

Are they sinless? Do they ever slip and mess up? And when they mess up, are they no longer Christian? If they die after committing a sin but before repenting, will they go to Hell forever?

Bingo! It took you this long to work that out? This is paramount the to Christian message! You can't claim to be Christian just because you were born in a Christian nation, or home, or whether or not you attend church, or whether or not you live by the "golden rule", or whether or not you give charity or whatever. Just as a person living in a garage is not a car so a person having all the trappings or outward appearances or living in a "Christian country" is not a Christian.

All praises belong to Him that He has not given us a religion as unforgiving as the one you are portraying here.

The worst Muslim to have ever have lived who commits all major and minor sins besides major disbelief is still a Muslim. Very, very sinful, yes. Far from being the perfect or ideal Muslim, yes. But so long as he worships Allaah alone and does not commit acts of major disbelief, he would still be considered a Muslim. He would still be my brother in faith.

Read John 3:1-21.

That doesn't answer my question. It seems that Jesus (peace be upon him) died (died according to Christian belief) pointlessly for peoples' sins considering that they have to be pretty much sinless anyways.

It's a new religion. If it was the old religion it wouldn't have added to and taken away from the previous revelation. If it was the old religion, there would be no Hajj, no prayer facing toward Mecca...and Mohammed would have had to be a Jew.

It's the same religion with new laws just like all of the previous Messengers were sent with new laws.

Let's give an example. During Adam's (peace be upon him) time, his children were allowed to intermarry. Obviously it is strictly prohibited now. Does this mean he worshipped a different God and had a different purpose in life/different message? No. Same religion, different laws.

Moses (peace be upon him) was sent with different laws than that of Abraham (peace be upon him). Same religion, different laws.

By same religion, I don't necessarily mean that the name was the same. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. God knows best. But the message was definitely the same (the Oneness of God & not rejecting what He says). If any of those previous nations who truly followed the prophets sent to them were alive today, they would be obliged to follow the religion of Islaam. Otherwise they'd be rejecting what God said.

The moon is not split. We've been there. There's no evidence of it ever being split. Why would God split the Moon anyway? How does that do anything? Biblical miracles have a purpose.

1.) I did not say the moon remained split.

2.) There's no evidence of Moses (peace be upon him) parting the sea. I believe it happened because Islaamic tradition tells us it did.

3.) Everything Allaah does has wisdom behind it. One of His Names is Al-Hakeem (The Most-Wise).

4.) "The splitting of the moon is confirmed through eye-witness testimony transmitted through an unbroken chain of reliable scholars so many that is it impossible that it could be false (hadith mutawatir)."

"Second, we actually have an independent, and quite amazing, historical corroboration of the event from an Indian king of that time."

The Miracles of Muhammad (part 2 of 3) - The Religion of Islam

That never happened. No one else saw it happen. His account of the city was inaccurate.

1.) Was Adam really created without a mother and father? No one else saw it happen. Peace be upon him.

2.) Well, the ones who had seen the city at that time disagreed:

They said, `Can you describe the sanctuary to us' Among them were some who had travelled to that land and seen the sanctuary, so the Messenger of Allah said,

(I started to describe it, until I reached a point where I was not sure about some of the details, but then the sanctuary was brought close and placed near the house of `Uqayl - or `Iqal - so I could look at it and describe the details.) I could not remember those description. The people said, `As for the description, by Allah he has got it right.'' This was recorded by An-Nasa'i and Al-Bayhaqi.
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Indian gurus do stuff like that even now. Google it. Next.

What happened with the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was Allaah showing a miracle through him to his people. No trickery or black magic involved.

In any case, how true are Allaah's Word's:

And even if We had sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) a Message written on paper so that they could touch it with their hands, the disbelievers would have said: "This is nothing but obvious magic!" (Al-An'am 6:7)
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And even if We had sent down unto them angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allāh willed, but most of them behave ignorantly. (Al-An'am 6:111)
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Tell me, how many people did he raise from the dead? Did he himself raise from the dead?

Did Jesus (peace be upon him) part the sea? Did Moses raise the dead? Did either Jesus or Moses control the winds and jinns & have the ability to communicate with animals as Solomon (peace be upon them all)? Did any of them split the moon? And were any of them the last Messengers sent with the only revelation that has remained in its pure form in this world? Who says each Prophet must be sent the same miracle as all of the others?

Then why don't Muslims keep the Sabbath? Why are Muslims allowed to eat shellfish, camels etc? Why is the commandment regarding false witness changed?

The answer is quite obvious. In one case, God sent different laws to different nations. In the other, mankind is changing God's laws. So the change of laws from messenger to messenger (revealed by God) was, of course, commanded by God. There will not be any messengers after the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah said He has perfected His religion for us. If anyone changes the laws that Allaah gave (i.e. Islaam), they have committed an act of major disbelief.

You actually did say prosper. Check.

Actually, I said this:

1.) Both of those links contain quotes from non-Muslims.To the best of my knowledge, Islaam is the only faith that, when ruled by, has allowed people of other faiths to prosper.

And....the Golden Age of Islaam occurred when Islaam was much more the law of the land than it is now. Around that same time, Europe was going through its Dark Ages. Nothing except for Islaam made the Muslim nations so enlightened when it was being properly followed & ruled by.

You live in the US, right? I'm rather shocked you would say that.

Are you saying that Christianity is the law of the land in America? Or that religious Christians are the leaders (and the basis of their leadership is the Bible)?

Seems to me that religion thrives much better in a democracy than in a Medieval theocratic system. Pretty plain evidence.

Religious Muslims are the ones who protected 'heretic' Christian groups from the prominent Christians. They are also the ones who protected Jews from the Christians. When Muslims and Jews were expelled from Spain, the Ottoman Empire sent fleets to rescue the Muslims. And guess what? They also sent fleets to rescue the Jews.

As one of the articles I linked to said, if we wanted to eradicate all Judaism & all Christianity in our lands by force, we could've done so easily.

Hehehe....I knew he was too close to the truth. You prefer the radicals, don't you? Yes or not?

I just don't have a particular liking for those Muslims who applaud for the man who is sending troops into Iraq that will end up killing his brothers and sisters.

I note in that posted chart from Illuminaughty that:

a) there are no Christian terrorists. No one doing terrorism in the Name of Jesus.

Abortion clinics. IRS. Christian militias. And chapters of the KKK are alive and well.

You don't know what "other" stands for.

b) Muslim extremists, according to the chart, are responsible for 6% of terrorist acts in the US. But according to the stats, they make up only .08 of the population? What's with that? (Not to mention the biggest and most violent terrorist acts (eg 9/11) seem to come from Muslim extremists)

Let me remind you of your statement:

"Anyway, I don't blame the authorities for this stuff- the terror trouble at present does come mostly Muslims. This is undeniable."

So not only did your homicide comment prove to be incorrect, so did this comment and all the similar ones to it.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

It's not a cop out. We are no longer under the law save what
Jesus taught.

Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill."

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Not all Christians believe no longer being under the law = not having to follow the OT and NT. Christ specifically said "till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."Not all has been fulfilled - the Kingdom has not been physically brought to earth yet. No one has been resurrected to perfection yet. So, following His logic, nothing from the law should pass. Following all law does not mean that you are damned or cursed by it unless you believe following it to perfection is what saves you. It is possible to follow Sabbaths, and eat clean meats while knowing it will never save you from hell - that Christ's sacrifice and faith in Him, and God's grace save you.

You have still not provided textual reference as to where one decides that a particular law is relevant or not. You have just admitted to cherry picking

 

[Deacon Don]

Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or
the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill."

Exactly. Since the law is fulfilled it's no longer necessary to
keep it.

 

[Lollerskates]

You have still not provided textual reference as to where one decides that a particular law is relevant or not. You have just admitted to cherry picking

I never attempted to reach for a cherry. I was simply stating that not all Christians do not follow the OT.

As far as what laws I think should not be followed, there would be two classes: justice laws and sacrifice laws. Why? Because Christ is alive, and He is the King. Justice laws aren't even executed by Christ yet: mercy is first. So, I have no right to execute any justice law right now since the King hasn't yet. Sacrifices were meant to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice, and to show gestures of atonement, peace, etc. Sacrifices reminded people that an innocent creature had to die for our sins. The Hebrews were Shepherd's and livestock owners; their animals were their wealth. Sacrifices were supposed to hurt. But, at some point they just sinned abundantly and killed the animals for a BBQ, or to throw some steaks on the grill. Eventually even God commented on their vain oblations in the OT. But back to the main point: Christ's sacrifice trump any sacrifice any man could possibly provide. There is no need for any other sacrifice for peace, sin, anything. Christ IS that sacrifice. So, it is a feat if futility to kill an animal as a show of an oblation to God.

 

[Deacon Don]

Here's a peaceful and tolerant offering from that "religion of peace.

From Real Clear Politics
Did you read about Sheik Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, the Grand Mufti
of Saudi Arabia, and his call this month to "destroy all the churches
of the region?"
...
A Kuwaiti delegation had asked the Grand Mufti about a Kuwaiti
parliament member’s call for the "removal" of churches in his
country, later clarified to a ban on new ones. In response, the
Grand Mufti called it "necessary to destroy all the churches of the
region." He reportedly relied on the famous tradition, or "hadith,"
that the Prophet Mohammed ruled on his deathbed, "There are
not to be two religions in the [Arabian] Peninsula."