Replacement Theology?

[motherprayer]

What IS it? I've seen this term a few times, and have no idea. Help me out, please, learned theologians?

 

[Habakk]

What IS it? I've seen this term a few times, and have no idea. Help me out, please, learned theologians?

Replacement theology along with supersessionism, fulfillment theology is essentially the doctrine that the church replaced Israel and became the spiritual Israel based upon the new covenant replacing the old covenant and changing hands so to speak. This theology along with others has been one of the biggest sources of persecution of the Jewish people.

Quite a lot of theologians held this view a century ago. After the nation of Israel was reestablished a lot of theologians started to rethink their theology after realizing that God had not forsaken his ancient people and prophecy was again being literaly fulfilled. The Apostle Paul said that God would again graft back the natural olive branch and that the church would be one new man.

Replacement theology in my opinion is not biblical.

 

[Habakk]

Double post for some reason.

 

[motherprayer]

Huh. I have to think on this. Thank you for answering!

 

[Gnarwhal]

What IS it? I've seen this term a few times, and have no idea. Help me out, please, learned theologians?

"Replacement theology" is kind of a misnomer. It would only be acceptable if you consider Isaac to have "replaced" Abraham, Jacob to have "replaced" Isaac, Jacob to have been "replaced" with his twelve sons, his twelve sons to have been "replaced" by twelve tribes and those twelve tribes to have been "replaced" by the kingdom of Israel.

If you follow that line of understanding then yes, "replacement theology" fits. The understanding is that through Christ the Church succeeded Israel and inherited her blessings and promises.

 

[motherprayer]

"Replacement theology" is kind of a misnomer.

Thank you for your response! I highlighted this because I think this is what it really is at the bottom of it. Cause there IS some truth to it, but its, ah, bent? Is that the word?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Thank you for your response! I highlighted this because I think this is what it really is at the bottom of it. Cause there IS some truth to it, but its, ah, bent? Is that the word?

Perhaps.

I think people get riled up (especially if they have an affinity for Israel) because they equate Replacement Theology at some level with antisemitism, which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Habakk]

Perhaps.

I think people get riled up (especially if they have an affinity for Israel) because they equate Replacement Theology at some level with antisemitism, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Actually history tends to disagree with that. I’m not saying that true Christians are responsible, but the same ideas held by misguided people in Europe was certainly contributing to such persecution.

 

[motherprayer]

Actually history tends to disagree with that. I'm not saying that true Christians are responsible, but the same ideas held by misguided people in Europe was certainly contributing to such persecution.

I can see where the idea came in that it is tied to anti-semitism. I learned today that Hitler put on his concentration camps "You killed our Saviour"

That's really awful. Really awful, that he did that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I can see where the idea came in that it is tied to anti-semitism.
I learned today that Hitler put on his concentration camps "You killed our Saviour"

That's really awful. Really awful, that he did that.

Is it any different than this sign at a Pentecost church proclaiming the same thing?


ADL Outraged at Church Sign Blaming Jews for Death of Jesus

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) expressed outrage over a sign placed in front of a Denver church that stated: "Jews killed the Lord Jesus."

ADL's initial statement on this episode follows:

BruceH.DeBoskey, ADL Mountain States Regional Director, issued the following statement in response to the LovingwayUnitedPentecostalChurch's sign that stated: "Jews killed the Lord Jesus…Settled!":

We are outraged by the outdoor marquee of the LovingwayUnitedPentecostalChurch to post a sign blaming Jews for the death of Jesus. For more than 1,900 years, this accusation has fueled anti-Semitism in the Western world. Now those same words appear on a sign on a busy Denver thoroughfare.......................................

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James proclaimed the same thing in James 5:6 concerning the Jewish Rulers:

Jam 4:2
ye desire, and ye have not; ye murder, and are zealous, and are not able to attain;
ye fight and war, and ye have not, because of your not asking;
Jam 5:6
ye did condemn -- ye did murder the righteous One,
He doth not resist ye.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Perhaps.

I think people get riled up (especially if they have an affinity for Israel) because they equate Replacement Theology at some level with antisemitism, which couldn't be further from the truth.

QFT!





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[PaladinValer]

It is a misnomer. There is no such thing.

Supersessionism is the belief of the Early Church that the Church is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and is thus the True Israel. The Jews who rejected Christ are outside grace and those (the remnant) that accepted Him are within grace, and the Gentiles have been grafted on by the same grace. It rejects any sort of dual covenant theology and explicitly rejects the Dispensationalism that is common among certain Evangelical Protestant groups. It is the orthodox view of the Early Church which is still held by traditional Protestant denominations as well as the Catholic churches like the Vatican Church, my Anglican Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

 

[TamaraLynne]

 

[motherprayer]

It is a misnomer. There is no such thing.

Supersessionism is the belief of the Early Church that the Church is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and is thus the True Israel. The Jews who rejected Christ are outside grace and those (the remnant) that accepted Him are within grace, and the Gentiles have been grafted on by the same grace. It rejects any sort of dual covenant theology and explicitly rejects the Dispensationalism that is common among certain Evangelical Protestant groups. It is the orthodox view of the Early Church which is still held by traditional Protestant denominations as well as the Catholic churches like the Vatican Church, my Anglican Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Interesting, thank you! My pastor uses that term, grafted, when discussing how the Gospel was "extended" to the Gentiles. Gah, extended isn't the right word though...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by PaladinValer

It is a misnomer. There is no such thing.

Supersessionism is the belief of the Early Church that the Church is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and is thus the True Israel. The Jews who rejected Christ are outside grace and those (the remnant) that accepted Him are within grace, and the Gentiles have been grafted on by the same grace.
It rejects any sort of dual covenant theology and explicitly rejects the Dispensationalism that is common among certain Evangelical Protestant groups. It is the orthodox view of the Early Church which is still held by traditional Protestant denominations as well as the Catholic churches like the Vatican Church, my Anglican Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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Supersessionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Supersessionism, fulfillment theology, and replacement theology are terms for the biblical interpretation that the New Covenant supersedes or replaces the Mosaic Covenant,[1][2] the latter thus also referred to as the Old Covenant.
The terms do not appear in the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, however, the view they cover is considered part of most traditional Christian views of the Old Covenant, viewing the Christian Church as the inheritor of the promises made with the children of Israel.[3][4]

This view contrasts with the minority views of dual-covenant theology on the one side and abrogation of Old Covenant laws on the other.



3 Christian views

• 3.1 Church fathers
• 3.2 Roman Catholicism
• 3.3 Protestant
• 3.4 Mormonism

4 Jewish view



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[LittleLambofJesus]

What IS it? I've seen this term a few times, and have no idea. Help me out, please, learned theologians?

You and other here could also check out responses on this topic on the Covenant Theology board.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7702362/
Replacement Theology






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[Habakk]

It is a misnomer. There is no such thing.

Supersessionism is the belief of the Early Church that the Church is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and is thus the True Israel. The Jews who rejected Christ are outside grace and those (the remnant) that accepted Him are within grace, and the Gentiles have been grafted on by the same grace. It rejects any sort of dual covenant theology and explicitly rejects the Dispensationalism that is common among certain Evangelical Protestant groups. It is the orthodox view of the Early Church which is still held by traditional Protestant denominations as well as the Catholic churches like the Vatican Church, my Anglican Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Most evangelicals would not refer to it as a dual covenant in quite that way.

The new covenant is expressly the covenant of grace through faith. However the Apostle Paul said that God had blinded the eyes of the Jews for our sake for a season. God is still faithful to fulfill the words of scripture concerning Israel until the appointed time. That is scripture.

I believe that the American evangelical church spends some considerable money in regards to evangelism of the Jews. So much so that Jewish rabbis have set up counter missionary organizations.

 

[Rhamiel]

"replacement" might not be the right word

the Church did not replace Israel, rather the Church is Israel, the Spiritual Israel made up of both Gentile and Jew

those who follow God become part of the Church
the Jews who follow God followed Jesus, because Jesus is God
Jesus said that those who know the Him know the Father and those that do not know Him do not know the Father.

the idea that a current nation state is the same as Biblical Israel seems very wrong.

 

[Habakk]

"replacement" might not be the right word

the Church did not replace Israel, rather the Church is Israel, the Spiritual Israel made up of both Gentile and Jew.

That is replacement theology aka the church now replaced or became Israel. Scripture is a bit more involved than that.

 

[motherprayer]

"replacement" might not be the right word
the Church did not replace Israel, rather the Church is Israel, the Spiritual Israel made up of both Gentile and Jew

Amen to this! That is how I always saw it. Thanks!

the idea that a current nation state is the same as Biblical Israel seems very wrong.

Just to touch on this, a story. My friend moved to Israel several years ago. She is MJ, and has always been a faithful servant of our Lord. I talked to her today, and she says that in Israel, while it isn't "illegal" per se to be Christian, it IS something that can cause one to lose their job or even their house if they admit to being a believer. She said that in Israel the Jewish majority believes that Jesus "is a Catholic God" which we all here know is an absolute untruth.

So what you said above certainly is true. The current state, Israel, is harshly against all things Christian. That was a heartbreaking conversation, and it made me think of how clear it is becoming that the end truly is near. Oh my