Creation Belief

[nephilimiyr]

Whether one believes in young earth, or the gap theory (as I do) is irrelevant. Both accounts agree man has only been on the earth 6 thousand years.

The topic is, how God created man, not when.

Oh, ok, excuse me for getting it wrong but you in fact were not specific about this only being about mans creation in your OP, title, or poll question.

I too believe in the Gap Theory and believe that man was created in the same 6,000 year time table that you do. How God created man? He formed us out of the earth and breathed life into us. We did not evolve. I do believe in micro-evolution but reject macro-evolution.

Micro-evolution= A bird throughout the years may change in minor various forms but it never becomes a new species, it's still a bird.

Macro-evolution= A bird throughtout many years may change in major ways and become a new species; i.e. it loses it feathers, beak, and wings and begins to walk on 4 legs.

 

[ChristianT]

But was that in a "This is another possibility" reference, or was it more a "ignorant people think this" type of reference?

It was in an "alternate to evolution" section.

 

[nephilimiyr]

It was in an "alternate to evolution" section.

Did this "creationism" lesson or section only talk about everything being created in the last 6,000 years or did it also talk about such beliefs as the Gap Theory? Old Earth creation?

 

[ChristianT]

Did this "creationism" lesson or section only talk about everything being created in the last 6,000 years or did it also talk about such beliefs as the Gap Theory? Old Earth creation?

It talked about general Creationism. It wasn't a thorough theology lesson, just a touch-up on alternate origin beliefs.

 

[Gary51]

So your the poll judge? Many believe Genesis but that they are not six literal days. So your saying unless one believes as you they don't believe Genesis? I would strongly disagree.

No, I'm not the poll judge, I'm the person who posted the poll. I have no intention of making any kind of judgement on the poll result.

If you do not believe God's explaination of what a day is in Genesis, then yes, you are in error.

I acknowledge your strong disagreement.

 

[KWCrazy]

There are 20 generations from Adam to Abraham, fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah. Not much room for a gap there.

 

[Gary51]

Exactly, what does it mean to say "Genesis account"? If someone has a different interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis, and that is different than your interpretation, than that means they don't believe in the Genesis account? There is not one Genesis account, there are several.

The Genesis creation explaination does not need an interpretation. God has made it plain how He created Adam and Eve. It's simple!

Those that don't believe God word, formulate interpretations and invent absurd theories like evilution, taking away the simplicty of God's account and replacing it with complex inventions.

1 Cor 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion..... "

 

[Gary51]

Oh, ok, excuse me for getting it wrong but you in fact were not specific about this only being about mans creation in your OP, title, or poll question.

I too believe in the Gap Theory and believe that man was created in the same 6,000 year time table that you do. How God created man? He formed us out of the earth and breathed life into us. We did not evolve. I do believe in micro-evolution but reject macro-evolution.

Micro-evolution= A bird throughout the years may change in minor various forms but it never becomes a new species, it's still a bird

Macro-evolution= A bird throughtout many years may change in major ways and become a new species; i.e. it loses it feathers, beak, and wings and begins to walk on 4 legs.

Yes, I believe we are on the same page. God created animals and people with variations within species.

The dog is a good example. One may breed dogs into all kinds of shapes and sizes, but breading will always only produce a dog.

 

[Gary51]

There are 20 generations from Adam to Abraham, fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah. Not much room for a gap there.

Of course, the gap was before any generation.

 

[Rev Randy]

No, I'm not the poll judge, I'm the person who posted the poll. I have no intention of making any kind of judgement on the poll result.

If you do not believe God's explaination of what a day is in Genesis, then yes, you are in error.

I acknowledge your strong disagreement.

I didn't mean the poll judge I meant that some see a day in Genesis as a period of time not limited to a 24 hour day. As many read Daniel and transform the days into different periods of time. If someone believes a day was an eon they would still vote the Genesis account. I meant the interpretation judge.

 

[PaladinValer]

The pole is a False Dichotomy and is invalid.

I also sense a thread move to the Origins Theology forum.

 

[Metal Minister]

It was in an "alternate to evolution" section.

Which is surprising, yet sad.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Yes, I believe we are on the same page. God created animals and people with variations within species.

The dog is a good example. One may breed dogs into all kinds of shapes and sizes, but breading will always only produce a dog.

Breeding is a good example but not quite what I was getting at. I believe God started each species with a basic pair, male and female. As animals spread around the world they slowly adapted to their new enviroments. So in fact I tend not to believe God created the variations within a species, at least not to the extent that many creationists do.

 

[KWCrazy]

I believe God started each species with a basic pair, male and female. As animals spread around the world they slowly adapted to their new enviroments. So in fact I tend not to believe God created the variations within a species, at least not to the extent that many creationists do.

I think most creationists believe in the Great flood, after which it was necessary for all the animals to be fruitful and multiply. That explians how one member of the dog family could "evolve" into all members of the dog family. The part of evolution where there is no evidence lies in the change of life froms from simpler kinds to more advanced life forms. This never happened, nor could it happen in 4,000 years.

 

[nephilimiyr]

There are 20 generations from Adam to Abraham, fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah. Not much room for a gap there.

The gap in time came long before God created man, long before the 6 day re-creation account in Genesis 1.

Gen. 1-1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

GAP in time.

Gen. 1-2, And the earth was without form, and void;

The 6 day account of creartion is actually a re-creation, it's a repair job. God had created the heaven and earth, then something happend to make the earth formless and void. God then repairs the earth in 6 days and creates man, 6,000 years ago.

 

[Metal Minister]

The gap in time came long before God created man, long before the 6 day re-creation account in Genesis 1.

Gen. 1-1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

GAP in time.

Gen. 1-2, And the earth was without form, and void;

The 6 day account of creartion is actually a re-creation, it's a repair job. God had created the heaven and earth, then something happend to make the earth formless and void. God then repairs the earth in 6 days and creates man, 6,000 years ago.

I've wondered, if there was a gap in time, why did God not mention it? Why did he make the universe and, for lack of a better phrase, walk away for a few billions years? I ask, because as a "young earth" creationist, I don't see any biblical evidence of a "gap". Am I just missing it?

 

[nephilimiyr]

I think most creationists believe in the Great flood, after which it was necessary for all the animals to be fruitful and multiply. That explians how one member of the dog family could "evolve" into all members of the dog family. The part of evolution where there is no evidence lies in the change of life froms from simpler kinds to more advanced life forms. This never happened, nor could it happen in 4,000 years.

Ok but I didn't say I believed in evolution or theistic evolution. I believe that animals can, and have shown that they do, adapt to their enviroments. Bills on the same kind of bird may become larger when living in dry areas, and shorter when living in wet areas, yet the bird doesn't develop a new genetic line, they are the same bird which has adapted to it's enviroment.

 

[KWCrazy]

The 6 day account of creartion is actually a re-creation, it's a repair job. God had created the heaven and earth, then something happend to make the earth formless and void. God then repairs the earth in 6 days and creates man, 6,000 years ago.

The problem with that theory is that there is absolutely no Biblical basis for it other than the attempt to reconcile the truth of Creation with the lie of evolution.
Exodus 20:
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Hebrews 11:3 -- By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. (In other words, the universe was sponed into existence.)

 

[nephilimiyr]

I've wondered, if there was a gap in time, why did God not mention it? Why did he make the universe and, for lack of a better phrase, walk away for a few billions years? I ask, because as a "young earth" creationist, I don't see any biblical evidence of a "gap". Am I just missing it?

Well, I see that God has mentioned it, just not in a direct way. The purpose, IMHO, for Moses writting the recreation event in Genesis 1 was not to spell out how and when God created the heavens and earth but how He created man. That God created the heaven and earth is already a for-gone conclusion.

Now, when reading Genesis 1 most of us read it in an English translation but if we study the Hebrew in which Moses penned the words we can see how there was a gap in time, or simply, how when God created the heavens and earth and when the earth was without form and void where two different events. so, when reading Genesis 1 in the English it's not so apparent that these two events are seperated by time.

For instance, in the first verse God created, in the following verses God makes. It's said that God creates things out of nothing, so when He created the heaven and earth He created all of this out of nothing. However, in the following verses the Hebrew reveals that God is making things out of something. It's not said that God created light but only that He allows it to be seen, "let there be light".

Also, does God create things that are imperfect? Everything God made in the 6 days was spoken out and instantly was made good. Though creationists believe God created the earth formless and void. The Hebrew words for formless and void holds the meaning of chaos, confusion, and catastrophy.

 

[nephilimiyr]

The problem with that theory is that there is absolutely no Biblical basis for it other than the attempt to reconcile the truth of Creation with the lie of evolution.
Exodus 20:
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Hebrews 11:3 -- By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. (In other words, the universe was sponed into existence.)

The Hebrew word for made means that God fashioned something in order to make something. The Hebrew word for create means that He made something out of nothing. Exodus 20:11 is only taking about Genesis 1:2 and the following days. Your Hebrews 11:3 verse spells this out for you better than I can.

Also please, yesterday you shown yourself being a total neophite concerning the Gap Theory in your first post on this. And now you're claiming there is absolutely no Biblical basis for it as if you're an expert on it? Do yourself a favor and study up on it before you make such immediate and rash decisions.

And once again, I don't believe in evolution so I hardly want to believe in something that would reconcile it with the Bible.