Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens; 100 Students Walk Out

[Fenny the Fox]

Contrast that with the conservative arguments: Society should not tolerate homosexual behavior because it is extremely unhealthy,

Apart from a potential increase in certain STD transmission rates, what is "extremely unhealthy" about it?

because it is a strong risk factor for various STDs,

While mostly true, this is also true of anyone having sex outside of a purely monogamous relationship, whereby both parties were virgins beforehand. And, as with any sexual relationship, this can be minimized quite effectively.

because it is a strong risk factor for mental illnesses,

Correlation is not causality.

because it is a strong risk factor for depression and suicide

Correlation, not causality. And likely due societal factors, such as the fact that homosexuality is stigmatized and considered something that should not be tolerated.

because it is a strong risk factor for partner abuse,

Once again, correlation is not causality. Also...got some good evidence for that? Because I seem to be coming up short looking for it.

a strong risk factor for sexual abuse of children, and all sorts of other things.

That last one has pretty much never been shown to be true by any evidence. So...evidence for that one?

 

[Jade Margery]

Contrast that with the conservative arguments: Society should not tolerate homosexual behavior because it is extremely unhealthy, because it is a strong risk factor for various STDs,

It isn't any riskier than heterosexual sex, and among lesbians the chance to contract an STD is actually much lower than for heterosexuals.

because it is a strong risk factor for mental illnesses, because it is a strong risk factor for depression and suicide,

Not the case when homosexuals aren't discriminated against or treated badly. It is the hostility and hatred they have to deal with, not merely being homosexuals, that causes suicides.

because it is a strong risk factor for partner abuse,

Citation please, though I would guess logically that this does not follow. In a homosexual relationship, neither partner is inherently stronger than the other, so domestic abuse is probably less of a problm.

a strong risk factor for sexual abuse of children, and all sorts of other things.

Definitely shown to be false. The vast majority of sexual offenders and child molesters are heterosexual men who get off on the power, not the gender, of their victims.

I'll give you a gold star for not bringing up the bible, but pretty much all of the objections you raised could either be equally leveled at heterosexual relationships, or simply are not true based on evidence gathered over the last fifty years.

 

[Jase]

1: Comparing Christians to racists and nazis.....and you call yourself "messianic"? Nothing to do with Jesus, that's for sure.

Aside from the personal attack and rule violation, I don't see how my criticism of Conservative ignorance and hypocrisy is some how anti-Jesus. Have you ever read his discourse with the religious leaders of his time? Vipers and hypocrites ring any bells?

And what's your point about Voltaire? Where have I ever denied Conservatives the right to say or write whatever nonsense they want to? I draw the line when their beliefs attempt to deprive me or others of our rights.

 

[Jase]

Why is procreative sex icky? What is your probem with it? It's how God intended us to keep the human race going. We were created male and female so that our bodies would become one flesh. Sex between a man and a woman is not icky, nor should anyone think of it that way.

Sex is quite icky actually. Personally, I think we should have all be made to have asexual reproduction, but evolution didn't pan out that way.

 

[Merope]

I'll give you a gold star for not bringing up the bible, but pretty much all of the objections you raised could either be equally leveled at heterosexual relationships, or simply are not true based on evidence gathered over the last fifty years.

Moreover there is another group in America that also has higher rates a depression, suicide, and STD transmission than average: African Americans. Racists like to suggest this is because African Americans are "inferior" to Caucasians. However most reasonable people understand that societal bigotry and discrimination (however subtle) contributes a great deal to the emotional/social problems African Americans face.

Here is another fun fact: 97% of all crimes are committed by Heterosexuals. Therefore ALL Heterosexuals should be prohibited from marrying right?

 

[Gadarene]

Here is another fun fact: 97% of all crimes are committed by Heterosexuals. Therefore ALL Heterosexuals should be prohibited from marrying right?

Now you're being silly.

Obviously Christian heterosexuals are the Grand Arbiters of all things sexual.

 

[Jase]

I spent alot of time getting bullied in school and all i know is that i could never treat anyone else like that when i know how horrible it feels. I dont understand how, if Dan was bullied as a kid, he can grow up to basically just be a bully himself. I dont believe he was really bullied that much and if he was he needs to grow up and forgive the people that did it. I will be praying for this guy. He is totally lost.

Calling a walk out by prospective journalists a name (for which he apologized for btw), isn't bullying.

 

[Genersis]

It isn't any riskier than heterosexual sex, and among lesbians the chance to contract an STD is actually much lower than for heterosexuals.
Not the case when homosexuals aren't discriminated against or treated badly. It is the hostility and hatred they have to deal with, not merely being homosexuals, that causes suicides. Citation please, though I would guess logically that this does not follow. In a homosexual relationship, neither partner is inherently stronger than the other, so domestic abuse is probably less of a problm. Definitely shown to be false. The vast majority of sexual offenders and child molesters are heterosexual men who get off on the power, not the gender, of their victims.

I'll give you a gold star for not bringing up the bible, but pretty much all of the objections you raised could either be equally leveled at heterosexual relationships, or simply are not true based on evidence gathered over the last fifty years.

Very true.
Sad to say that the "research" performed by those christian "family" organisations in the...70s was it? Are still circulated by Conservatives today even though they've been disproven since.
Though proponents like to claim it is "Political Correctness" that make people dismiss the clearly biased research

 

[Merope]

Now you're being silly.

Obviously Christian heterosexuals are the Grand Arbiters of all things sexual.

No. On that last point I was being facetious. I could have also said: Heterosexual behavior is responsible for nearly 100% of abortions and a Heterosexual male is nearly 100 times more likely to abuse a woman than a gay male.

 

[Gadarene]

No. On that last point I was being facetious.

I know, as was I.

 

[Jase]

Contrast that with the conservative arguments:

All of which are proven frauds.

Society should not tolerate homosexual behavior because it is extremely unhealthy

No it isn't. Being attracted to the same-sex (the definition of homosexuality) has no inherent risk associated with it. Certainly no more so than being attracted to the opposite sex.

, because it is a strong risk factor for various STDs

Ah, the age old, HIV is a gay disease lie. 75% of the world's HIV cases are transmitted by heterosexuals. The other 25% are attributable to a combination of drugs, transfusions, and unprotected same-sex behavior. The majority of new HIV infections are among black heterosexual woman. By your logic, being a black woman is "extremely unhealthy."

And btw, Lesbians have the lowest incidence of all STDs, and lesbians are homosexuals, thereby disproving your inaccurate claim that homosexuality is extremely unhealthy. Lesbians are the healthiest of all sexual orientation categories.

, because it is a strong risk factor for mental illnesses No it isn't. , because it is a strong risk factor for depression and suicide,

As Fenny pointed out, correlation is not causality. Being gay has no inherent effect on mental health. Being abused and discriminated against by religious conservatives, as you are doing with this thread is the cause of increased mental health issues among gays.

because it is a strong risk factor for partner abuse,

Incorrect. There is no evidence indicating a higher rate of partner abuse in gay relationships.

a strong risk factor for sexual abuse of children,

Where on earth did you get this misinformation? Paul Cameron? All scientific studies indicate gays are not more likely to abuse children. The overwhelming majority of regressed pedophiles are heterosexual. This has been well documented. Anti-gay hate groups like Family Research Council present this lie to further demonize gays, and people like you believe those lies.

 

[Gadarene]

Calling a walk out by prospective journalists a name (for which he apologized for btw), isn't bullying.

Ok, so I was going to try and avoid saying this, but what the heck...

Anyone find the notion of a bunch of prospective journalists walking out of an event because they don't like what's being said hilarious?

Talk about career suicide....

 

[Jase]

Ok, so I was going to try and avoid saying this, but what the heck...

Anyone find the notion of a bunch of prospective journalists walking out of an event because they don't like what's being said hilarious?

Talk about career suicide....

Yeah, probably not the best career choice if something like that is going to cause them to walk out. Hasn't Christiane Amanpour interviewed Ahmadinejad and other nasty human beings?

These kids seriously need to rethink their profession if Dan Savage makes them get up and walk out.

 

[Merope]

Ok, so I was going to try and avoid saying this, but what the heck...

Anyone find the notion of a bunch of prospective journalists walking out of an event because they don't like what's being said hilarious?

Talk about career suicide....

Drawn Together "Duh!" Compilation - YouTube

 

[UnamSanctam]

Aside from the personal attack and rule violation, I don't see how my criticism of Conservative ignorance and hypocrisy is some how anti-Jesus. Have you ever read his discourse with the religious leaders of his time? Vipers and hypocrites ring any bells?

So...you don't see how attacks against Christianity is anti-Jesus?
"Bro", please...
Yes, and what were the reasons for His statements? That they twisted the Torah to their own desires, that they weren't just in their dealings with others, and that they cared more about what people thought than about what God thought. None of which apply, per se, to Christians, who you issue blanket attacks against.

 

[UnamSanctam]

These kids seriously need to rethink their profession if Dan Savage makes them get up and walk out.

So...someone walking out on Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, etc, would receive the same response from you?

 

[Skaloop]

So...someone walking out on Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, etc, would receive the same response from you?

Personally, yes. If someone goes to see a speaker, and they know the reputation of that speaker, walking out when said speaker lives up to that reputation isn't commendable. If someone disagrees with the speaker, walking out is very ineffective; asking questions of the speaker would be a better recourse.

 

[wanderingone]

Personally, yes. If someone goes to see a speaker, and they know the reputation of that speaker, walking out when said speaker lives up to that reputation isn't commendable. If someone disagrees with the speaker, walking out is very ineffective; asking questions of the speaker would be a better recourse.

Agreed. I'm not sure if all the students were familiar with Savage or not, or if it was an event they were required to attend etc. I don't really care if they walked out if they really didn't know his persona or really hadn't signed on to hear from him in particular.

I think Savage should have ignored them, but I don't see that he cursed anyone in particular. Dan Savage addressed his feelings on Christians who are offended by his distaste for anti gay Christians.. he doesn't care - he feels it more important that children who are broken down by those Christians who are cruel have support because too many are choosing not to live rather than wait for it to get better.

 

[Jade Margery]

Judging by the expressions as they got up, I can't help but think this could be a hilarious coincidence. Most of them were smiling or grinning. What if they had another event at the conference that they wanted to go to, and had to leave at this time and it had nothing to do with what he was saying? Unlikely, but amusing.

 

[Jase]

So...you don't see how attacks against Christianity is anti-Jesus?

No, since I'm not attacking the whole of Christianity, or Jesus. Merely criticizing many of his self-righteous followers. Christianity is a religion invented by humans. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

"Bro", please...

Another ad hominem.

Yes, and what were the reasons for His statements? That they twisted the Torah to their own desires, that they weren't just in their dealings with others, and that they cared more about what people thought than about what God thought. .

Just as Fundamentalists continue to twist the entire Bible to sue their own bigotry, ignorance, and prejudice.

Thanks for proving my point.