Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens; 100 Students Walk Out

[Jase]

So - militant atheists and the aggressive gay lobby shouldn't be tolerated? I hadn't expected to hear that from you

I'm not fan of militant anything, be it gays, muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, etc. Extremism is almost always bad. Although, after dealing with Fundamentalist Christians for so long, I can understand militant atheism and aggressive gays. Fundamentalists don't exactly bring out the best in people.

If one is only "tolerant" with views that one agrees with, or finds reasonable, one is not tolerant at all, merely hiding intolerance behind political correctness.

So we should be tolerant of racists, nazis, suicide bombers, etc.?

 

[UnamSanctam]

So we should be tolerant of racists, nazis,

1: Comparing Christians to racists and nazis.....and you call yourself "messianic"? Nothing to do with Jesus, that's for sure.

2: If by "tolerant" you mean "Not do what the bastard here did", and/or: "Allow them to have their opinions, and express them, however wrong we may think they are" then yes. If by "tolerant" you mean "agree with them", then definitely no. However, "tolerance" is worth exactly duck if it only applies to those with comme il fault opinions and attitudes. If it doesn't also apply to those with whom we vehemently disagree, it's worthless.

More of the mind of Voltaire on this particular matter, please.

Monsieur l'abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire"

suicide bombers, etc.?

:wonka:
Go on, tell me more about how not going "I'm faaaabulous" at homophile pride parades, likens one to people blowing themselves and dozens of innocents up?

 

[Theofane]

Doesn't make it any less icky. And it's not the only way to start a family anymore.

Why is procreative sex icky? What is your probem with it? It's how God intended us to keep the human race going. We were created male and female so that our bodies would become one flesh. Sex between a man and a woman is not icky, nor should anyone think of it that way.

 

[Verticordious]

Being tolerant doesn't mean tolerating bigotry and ignorance. Those are things that should not be tolerated in any decent human being.

There is nothing in the definition of tolerance that allows for exceptions. If tolerance is inherently a good thing, then yes, you should tolerate everything, even things like rape and murder. If you are unwilling to tolerate even things like rape and murder for the sake of tolerance, then you're admitting that tolerance isn't the issue.

 

[Skaloop]

Why is procreative sex icky?

Are you aware of the fluids involved, the possible infections and diseases, the bacteria that can be passed on through procreative sex?

Why is non-procreative urophilic sex icky?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Are you aware of the fluids involved, the possible infections and diseases, the bacteria that can be passed on through procreative sex?

Why is non-procreative urophilic sex icky?

Viruses too. And if that weren't enough, vaginal prolapse is enough ickiness for a lifetime. Placentas ar no spring chicken, either.

 

[Mling]

Viruses too. And if that weren't enough, vaginal prolapse is enough ickiness for a lifetime. Placentas ar no spring chicken, either.

Or even a relatively minor thing, like a bruised cervix.

Though, that's not a disease... still probably worse than anything that's likely to happen in watersports.

I mean, unless you're doing urine water-boarding or something.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

I mean, unless you're doing urine water-boarding or something.

Now THERES a visual I didn't need. Lets hope the CIA never has THAT little brainwave!

 

[Gadarene]

Or even a relatively minor thing, like a bruised cervix.

Though, that's not a disease... still probably worse than anything that's likely to happen in watersports.

I mean, unless you're doing urine water-boarding or something.

If you bruise your cervix water-boarding, I'm pretty sure you're dunking the wrong end.

 

[Glass*Soul]

There is nothing in the definition of tolerance that allows for exceptions. If tolerance is inherently a good thing, then yes, you should tolerate everything, even things like rape and murder. If you are unwilling to tolerate even things like rape and murder for the sake of tolerance, then you're admitting that tolerance isn't the issue.

Absolutes suck. Most of the time.

 

[Theofane]

Are you aware of the fluids involved, the possible infections and diseases, the bacteria that can be passed on through procreative sex?

Why is non-procreative urophilic sex icky?

Why am I discussing this with you if you are determined to be perverse?

 

[Gadarene]

Why am I discussing this with you if you are determined to be perverse?

He's not being perverse.

He's asking you a question about a probable inconsistency in your claim that urophilia is unsanitary.

If you can't adequately address that then it's not a claim that particularly holds up.

Edit: Or at the very least, the "yuck factor" of something is not a sufficient reason not to do it, as it evidently can't be practically applied.

 

[Theofane]

Viruses too. And if that weren't enough, vaginal prolapse is enough ickiness for a lifetime. Placentas ar no spring chicken, either.

Do you hate sex?

 

[Jade Margery]

I'm not sure why urophilia is part of this discussion at all. Dan isn't a urophiliac. He doesn't do it himself--he's a sex advice columnist who gives frank advice for entertainment purposes, as he has said himself many times. A lot of the questions he gets follow the format of the ones posted here: some person is interested in a certain sex act, but they aren't sure how/where/with whom to try it/what safety measures to take. So he answers the question as best he can, and often brings in experts on things he hasn't experienced or doesn't know much about.

All of which is really just his day job. The anti-bullying campaign is something he started on the side in response to the highly publicized suicides of several gay kids. It is silly to expect he should stop giving sex advice because he is an anti-bullying activist, and it is also silly to think that anything he says in his sex advice column has any bearing on the validity of his anti-bullying views. They are separate parts of his life, and while there is inevitably some cross over (he'll talk about the It Gets Better project on his blog, or people will ask him questions about both at speaking engagements) his sex column isn't really related to this discussion.

 

[Theofane]

I'm not sure why urophilia is part of this discussion at all. Dan isn't a urophiliac. He doesn't do it himself--he's a sex advice columnist who gives frank advice for entertainment purposes, as he has said himself many times. A lot of the questions he gets follow the format of the ones posted here: some person is interested in a certain sex act, but they aren't sure how/where/with whom to try it/what safety measures to take. So he answers the question as best he can, and often brings in experts on things he hasn't experienced or doesn't know much about.

All of which is really just his day job. The anti-bullying campaign is something he started on the side in response to the highly publicized suicides of several gay kids. It is silly to expect he should stop giving sex advice because he is an anti-bullying activist, and it is also silly to think that anything he says in his sex advice column has any bearing on the validity of his anti-bullying views. They are separate parts of his life, and while there is inevitably some cross over (he'll talk about the It Gets Better project on his blog, or people will ask him questions about both at speaking engagements) his sex column isn't really related to this discussion.

I agree.

I can't find fault with Dan's anti-bullying social activism. Lady Gaga (someone else I personally dislike) also does a lot of good work with young gay people.

 

[dohder]

I spent alot of time getting bullied in school and all i know is that i could never treat anyone else like that when i know how horrible it feels. I dont understand how, if Dan was bullied as a kid, he can grow up to basically just be a bully himself. I dont believe he was really bullied that much and if he was he needs to grow up and forgive the people that did it. I will be praying for this guy. He is totally lost.

 

[Jade Margery]

I spent alot of time getting bullied in school and all i know is that i could never treat anyone else like that when i know how horrible it feels. I dont understand how, if Dan was bullied as a kid, he can grow up to basically just be a bully himself. I dont believe he was really bullied that much and if he was he needs to grow up and forgive the people that did it. I will be praying for this guy. He is totally lost.

He didn't bully anybody. Watch the dang clip.
Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention - YouTube

Pointing out hypocrisy or saying someone's opinion is wrong isn't bullying. It's part of having a discussion and a debate. He has apologized for saying 'pansy ass', but if that's the best evidence of bullying you can show for Dan Savage, then color me unimpressed.

 

[Skaloop]

Why am I discussing this with you if you are determined to be perverse?

What did I say that was perverse? I could be plenty perverse, if I wanted, but I'm intentionally not being perverse because of the CF rules.

 

[Verticordious]

Absolutes suck. Most of the time.

If you don't want to be held to an absolute definition of the word, then stop using it in the context of an absolute. When you say things like "Christians are intolerant bigots" without giving any further reasoning, then we can only assume you are arguing that tolerance is inherently a good thing. If you are not arguing that tolerance is inherently a good thing, then you need to give further explanation.

Contrast that with the conservative arguments: Society should not tolerate homosexual behavior because it is extremely unhealthy, because it is a strong risk factor for various STDs, because it is a strong risk factor for mental illnesses, because it is a strong risk factor for depression and suicide, because it is a strong risk factor for partner abuse, a strong risk factor for sexual abuse of children, and all sorts of other things.

 

[Gadarene]

Contrast that with the conservative arguments: Society should not tolerate homosexual behavior because it is extremely unhealthy, because it is a strong risk factor for various STDs, because it is a strong risk factor for mental illnesses, because it is a strong risk factor for depression and suicide, because it is a strong risk factor for partner abuse, a strong risk factor for sexual abuse of children, and all sorts of other things.

You've got to admire a mindset like this. Create a society where gays are vilified and prevented from settling down, then blame them for the inevitable psychological problems that causes.

Try retaking your data in a society where gays haven't been systematically oppressed for the last few decades, then we'll talk.

Of course, to provide a comparison to get that data gays will need equal rights.