99percentatheism
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Wow, the strawmen in that post must constitute a fire hazard!
Yeah the OP was a scam from the start.
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Wow, the strawmen in that post must constitute a fire hazard!
I agree that they shouldn't be outlawed.
Fetal surgery is possible for some conditions and I think that is something to look into, if possible. Getting a second, and maybe a third opinion is advisable as well.
I hope you sister and her husband are doing well.
I know that the case in the original post wasn't a life threatening pregnancy. However, I will say this in response to some of the other posts: no one has the right to force a woman to go through a life threatening pregnancy. If a woman chooses to take the risk and carry to term, more power to her. If she chooses to abort, then that is her right as well and no one should make her feel bad for it. She does have a right to save her own life.
While I hope and pray that I am never faced with that decision, I'll admit that if I found out that a pregnancy was likely to kill me, I'd probably give abortion some very serious thought.
That is true, and there are many tests that are not conclusive. That being said, I get the impression (and admittedly, I could be wrong) from the OP that there was no doubt that the diagnosis was correct.
No, and no. Tough situation, that I wish no one ever had to be faced with. Unfortunately, life isn't like that. My condolences.
Again, life isn't like that. My condolences that this was your experience, which I do not challenge nor debate. Here you clarify the reason for those of us that use the "relationship not religion" slogan. Jesus preys on no one! His Father preys on no one! Look into his many Names, and see what all He provides ...
I echo this sentiment to those on 'my side of the aisle.' The battle is re: public funding, and minor children (even age 17) needing to have their parents at least informed of the procedure. If they drew the battle line there, we might make some progress.
Euthanasia has nothing to do with genetics. If you're going to level false accusations the least you could do is stick to the realm of the logically possible.
I read the article. It claims "study after study" and then doesn't even name them, let alone quote them, cite them or give any reason why their position should be considered true. Nor do they give any details as to why this happened. Turning off life support is a type of involuntary euthanasia which is accepted worldwide, and these "involuntary killings" sound suspiciously like that, considering the only detail given is that these patients are practically dead.
Of course we do. Euthanasia doesn't work like that, however. It's not a quick or easy option.
Almost. In the Netherlands, the option is there, if the person is in a state of incurable suffering, they show a persistent desire for euthanasia free of external influences, they fully and completely understand the consequences of their action and multiple doctors agree that the patient fulfils the former three criteria. Then, and only then, is euthanasia an option. Not a guaranteed process, but an option.
Even then, this process merely means that doctors will not be prosecuted. It's neither encouraged nor supported by the law.
You say you understand euthanasia and then demonstrate that you don't. I'd advise you move beyond the right to life groups and look at the actual situation, rather than the opinions of those who have no respect for the suffering.
It's not remotely close to murder. The only reason you'd even try to make that comparison is for a baseless emotional argument.
Where in the Bible does it say you're supposed to force Christian values upon everyone else? And where is killing being advocated? Euthanasia is not encouraged, just provided as a final option for those who don't want to suffer any longer. Contrary to whatever leaps to conclusions you've made, we who support euthanasia as an option are not going to start running around old people's homes killing the inhabitants. Last time I checked, God gave humanity free-will; it's interesting how many people want to try to take that away.
If you're going to reply to an OP, it always helps to read it first. If you had read it, you would have realised that the OP is saying that it's not OK. The rest of your post falls apart because it is based upon a claim that was never made.
They teach reading in school, and you'd be doing your teachers a disservice if you don't use what they spent so much effort teaching you.
then push for better pain management.
Death is not the only alternative to pain.
Keep in mind, there's a difference between EUTHANASIA and ceasing treatment that maintains life. And doctors already provide patients with the means to commit suicide on their own on a regular basis. Morphine drips that are controlled by the patient, drugs that are provided to the patient that are lethal if the patient over doses or takes with alcohol....
That is NOT euthanasia. Euthanasia is a doctor or loved one actually KILLING a person who would not die otherwise, and who will not kill themselves...either because they can't or because they don't want to. It is choosing to kill a person for convenience sake.
Progress you say. Progress for the unborn would be to ban outlaw abortion. Now that would please and honor God. Don't you think?
Not when that would ultimately result in more widespread death from the skyrocketing frequencies of back-alley coat-hanger/hoover abortions.
Some pain simply is not manageable. And this is a fact.
If you're going to reply to an OP, it always helps to read it first. If you had read it, you would have realised that the OP is saying that it's not OK.
The rest of your post falls apart because it is based upon a claim that was never made.
They teach reading in school, and you'd be doing your teachers a disservice if you don't use what they spent so much effort teaching you.
If you're going to reply to an OP, it always helps to read it first. If you had read it, you would have realised that the OP is saying that it's not OK. The rest of your post falls apart because it is based upon a claim that was never made.
They teach reading in school, and you'd be doing your teachers a disservice if you don't use what they spent so much effort teaching you.
Progress you say. Progress for the unborn would be to ban outlaw abortion. Now that would please and honor God. Don't you think?
Not when that would ultimately result in more widespread death from the skyrocketing frequencies of back-alley coat-hanger/hoover abortions.
It'll never happen, right or wrong. Why fight a futile battle? Pick a winnable battle instead.
With God and standing on the Word....anything is possible. I will never give up, never. Jesus never gave up on me.....and I will not give up standing on the Word...and trying to save unborn babies.
If just one child could be saved from being dismembered alive, it would be worth it.
It is to bad you have no faith that this could happen.
I do know this......that God says, no He promises that all will account for every word and deed. So the Christians who stand before Him who were pro-choice....will answer. What excuse will they give, when God asks why they did not defend one of His own?
Every unborn murdered will get justice....when God shows His wrath against those that mocked Him.
Young woman gets pregnant from 'some guy' and she doesn't think she wants to commit to raising 'some guy's' kid so she gets an abortion...
Hey, that is just plain irresponsible and a very poor reason to kill someone.
But, what if she has an incurable illness or would die if she gave birth or what if the baby had something wrong with it? Well, what do you think about that?
Er, ah I guess.
What makes you think that picking a wise battle will not save more lives than picking the battle you embrace? Why do you ignore that many children have been spared from being dismembered alive by some of the battles already won? And why do you flame me by pretending I am pro choice?
Example...............
Woman is going to school
Woman does not know who fathered the child
Woman does not want to lose her 36-24-36 figure
Woman already has to many children
Woman found out unborn might have a cleft palate or another abnormality
Woman found out baby is the wrong sex
Womans boyfriend wants her to abort
Woman is short on funds
Woman was raped
Incest