I hate the media

[AMDG]

, the homosexual doesn't choose the calling.

That's opinion. If it were fact, there wouldn't be any conversions and COURAGE wouldn't have any success rates.

 

[AMDG]

I'm the one who is saying it all will separate us from God- all of the sins, not just the gay ones.

No. What you are doing is failing to actually read posts and assuming the worst of people.

 

[MikeK]

That's opinion. If it were fact, there wouldn't be any conversions and COURAGE wouldn't have any success rates.

Do you remember when you decided to become a heterosexual? I don't.

 

[benedictaoo]

I'm not sure that "not as bad a sin" is the right language. I don't think that the fact that homosexuality is disordered makes the sin worse....if anything, a disordered pasion might even reduce culpability, even if the sin is objectively worse (which I'm not convinced it is).

At any rate, we are to hate all sin, not just the ones we think are icky.

well you know... only God knows their heart. Why they do what they do.

and the next time someone sees a gay on TV and is about to go poke their eye out for having to look upon that... they may want to think, maybe that poor person is gay becuase when he was a boy some perverted man molested him... maybe from his Church even...

No one is condoning any sin or not calling a sin, a sin but no one knows what other ppl went through, go through or why they are what they are and do what they do.

Its for God to deal with, not us.

My point is, all of this is our fault becuase we don't live life on the up and up any more then what the gays do. We sin to and we think God understands our sins too.

We have priests for goodness sakes who can't live up to their celibate vows they voluntarily took but the gay person is supposed to do it with ease... ?

and do not get me started with the out pouring of compassion and love and encouragement for the poor, weak, frail, mere human being priest who has the devil biting at his heels, who gets caught at a truck stop having sex with a male prostitute.

No one seems to be sick and grossed out when its the priest whose gay and having abominational sex with gay prostitutes!

Then its, cut the poor guy a break, he's imperfect and human and what do you want, the devil made him do it...and nobody prayed enough.

 

[CruciFixed]

Hey you know what is nasty? I was watching a movie to fall asleep and I should ha e turned it off but didn't find out until near the end that it wasn't about good girls trying to save their virginity. It was about girls trying to lose it but only if the guys weren't going to keep tabs.

It was so gross the whole movie focused on masturbation and sex between unmarried high school students. The whole idea was that's ALLL a high schooler wants to do is get laid.

GROSS I ended up barfing at one of the scenes at the end and had to say no more movies rated R for me.

 

[benedictaoo]

That's opinion. If it were fact, there wouldn't be any conversions and COURAGE wouldn't have any success rates.

Its not fact- no one really knows. NO ONE!

I think some choose it becuase some freak molested them, but then that's really not a choice then, is it? some are born that way I firmly believe.

I think there are lesbians by choice more so then gay men... but some lesbians are born that way, some where molested by men and they can't have a normal relationship with one.

A little understanding and compassion goes a long way.

I'm not here to judge them, figure out why they're gay, diagnosis them... or enlighten them that they are hell bound. I'm sure they heard it, I'm sure they know.

 

[benedictaoo]

Hey you know what is nasty? I was watching a movie to fall asleep and I should ha e turned it off but didn't find out until near the end that it wasn't about good girls trying to save their virginity. It was about girls trying to lose it but only if the guys weren't going to keep tabs.

It was so gross the whole movie focused on masturbation and sex between unmarried high school students. The whole idea was that's ALLL a high schooler wants to do is get laid.

GROSS I ended up barfing at one of the scenes at the end and had to say no more movies rated R for me.

equal opportunity sin hater- that's what I'm talkin 'bout.

 

[AMDG]

Do you remember when you decided to become a heterosexual? I don't.

That's because men and women were design by God to procreate. If procreation wasn't the design, we wouldn't be here.

 

[benedictaoo]

No. What you are doing is failing to actually read posts and assuming the worst of people.

No, this is so not personal.

I'm trying to make a point and that point is we need to get a grip on reality and gain some perspective. Stop freaking out becuase its not doing anything.

Look, there has to some balance.

Yes we know its sinful and I do not like it anymore then you do becuase I do not want to have to explain it to my young kids what this is... the gay couple I hang with who my children know them well, they do not know they are gay, their minds just don't think along those lines.

I do resent that the world wants us to teach kids this- they do not need to be taught at such a young age, if ever. They can figure it out. We don't need to draw them a picture.

So I am against that.

But as a society, we are there and its not going away so we are going to have to deal with it and I say we deal with it the same way we deal with all the sins that have become accepted as normal in our society.

 

[benedictaoo]

That's because men and women were design by God to procreate. If procreation wasn't the design, we wouldn't be here.

He didn't ask you that... he asked if you remember the moment you made the decision to agree with God and be straight?

or was it something that just came natural? becuase it is natural, after all.

We do not choose it, we are ordered and like MikeK says, thank God you are. Its natural for you like breathing air comes naturally but its not for gays to be what God wants naturally.

You act like the gays are gay out of pure rebellion again God as if its personal and they hate him.

We do not know what makes a person gay but it can't be easy on them and wow, how we can sit back and judge it.

We know its wrong but past that, we can't judge them. We have no idea what its like.

 

[Irenaeus]

You act like the gays are gay out of pure rebellion again God as if its personal and they hate him.

For the record, I haven't picked that up from AMDG's post. She simply said that there have been cases where people have claimed to have quit homosexuality, not only in its actual practice but even on an affective level. That is not the same as AMDG saying that somehow all homosexuality is chosen and it's done deliberately so as to defy God. I hope I'm not misreading her.

Additionally, we have to remember that homosexuality is a sin of greater gravity than many sins. It is the gravest sexual sin after bestiality, and one of the sins which in the Biblical tradition "cry unto heaven."

While I agree with you that we ought not to "judge" in the sense of condemning or mistreating them, sins are different according to kind and gravity and certain sins are actually that bad. Homosexuality is one of them. This isn't the same as condemning anyone, but it is recognizing that there is a hierarchy of evil, and certain evils are more heinous than others.

And as MikeK rightly pointed out, we should not simply be 'hawking' sins that seem "icky" to us. However, sometimes that feeling of "ickiness" may actually be virtue speaking, because what is evil, if seen rightly, ought to repel us in some fashion. Again, this does not mean we avoid homosexuals. But we have no love for vice.

 

[MikeK]

GROSS I ended up barfing at one of the scenes at the end...

Wow.

 

[MikeK]

Additionally, we have to remember that homosexuality is a sin of greater gravity than many sins. It is the gravest sexual sin after bestiality..

Where did you find a ranking of sexual sins?

Which sexual sin is the least grave?

 

[benedictaoo]

For the record, I haven't picked that up from AMDG's post. She simply said that there have been cases where people have claimed to have quit homosexuality, not only in its actual practice but even on an affective level. That is not the same as AMDG saying that somehow all homosexuality is chosen and it's done deliberately so as to defy God. I hope I'm not misreading her.

Additionally, we have to remember that homosexuality is a sin of greater gravity than many sins. It is the gravest sexual sin after bestiality, and one of the sins which in the Biblical tradition "cry unto heaven."

While I agree with you that we ought not to "judge" in the sense of condemning or mistreating them, sins are different according to kind and gravity and certain sins are actually that bad. Homosexuality is one of them. This isn't the same as condemning anyone, but it is recognizing that there is a hierarchy of evil, and certain evils are more heinous than others.

And as MikeK rightly pointed out, we should not simply be 'hawking' sins that seem "icky" to us. However, sometimes that feeling of "ickiness" may actually be virtue speaking, because what is evil, if seen rightly, ought to repel us in some fashion. Again, this does not mean we avoid homosexuals. But we have no love for vice.

but hell is hell right?

My deal is not saying this sin is no big deal but that we are worried about it while we act like the sins that are rampart are not a big deal becuase its not as bad.

If people are going to hell, then they are going to hell, be it a gay or a straight.

I'm just not getting what it matters if its worse.

 

[Andy Hardy]

That's opinion. If it were fact, there wouldn't be any conversions and COURAGE wouldn't have any success rates.

Actually it more than an opinion, its a supportable statement. Also, just what is the success rate of so called "Repairative Therapy"

Well, according to the APA's Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation probably close to zero.

See their (highly interesting and well documented) report on the subject:

Here

 

[Andy Hardy]

Do you remember when you decided to become a heterosexual? I don't.

I decided to become a heterosexual the first time a saw that Marlene Dietrich picture of her in that top hat and tuxedo.

 

[MikeK]

I decided to become a heterosexual the first time a saw that Marlene Dietrich picture of her in that top hat and tuxedo.

Well, there you have it. Cross-dressing women cause heterosexuality in men. I can see that...more from the "baggy dress shirt with nothing else on" sence than the Annie Lennox look though.

 

[Andy Hardy]

Well, there you have it. Cross-dressing women cause heterosexuality in men. .

Boy, do they ever.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Anything anymore that is a source for the media is getting obnoxious to watch.

Came across craigslist tv - so i watch this infomercial type thing for ventriloquist lessons - curious what it is. Go to their facebook page ...

I rent a movie - there is a gay couple. I watch a tv series - a gay couple. I turned on a SOAP once - a gay couple. [tho since i watch little tv - i am certain it is infiltrating advertisements too]
And now craigslist tv has - you guessed it - a gay couple.

Even on the down channels, it's getting bad. HGTV Design star has a male designer that refers to 'My husband and I', and a woman designer who refers to 'my wife and I', not to mention other gay designers in the cast. And often the home owner that a star works for is a gay couple. Food Network has an openly gay Iron Chef (Cat Cora) who has a wife and three or four children.

I've blogged lately about the opening episode of the Discovery Channel's Curiosity, subject was "Do we need God anymore?". Lately I watch more an more EWTN, and less and less anything else. When I want to see a movie, I have things like Patton and Sand Pebbles, the great musicals and when I want to get really racy, James Bond movies. Disney cartoons aren't too bad...

The great thing is...there's always the off button...

 

[benedictaoo]

Cat Cora is gay?! Oh get out... I didn't know that. and which design star chick has a wife, i missed that. I only heard the guy talk about his husband.

I tripped when I found out Neil Patrick Harris was gay. I didn't know that either.