Truth About Tithing

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Hello Fellow Christians,

I have googled the Internet and went through my bible pretty heavily and no where in the bible does it state we have to give 10% to the churches. No where. I am a new christian and I want to make sure I am walking the right path. Correct me if I am wrong but my definition of tithing is donating not only money but time as well. That means giving support to the community, charity, church, etc.

So please help me understand the churches role in collecting tithes and what my role is as a church member. Maybe I am missing something.:groupray:
 

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Correct, tithing isn't just about money. It can be time, food, skills, etc. We in the modern church tend to tithe money because that is what we often put the most value on.

There is no command saying that we must tithe to be justified. Look at Luke 18:9-14. The tax collector is justified but the pharisee is not. Despite his proclamation to give one tenth of all he gets. If you choose to tithe and it comes from a pure heart God will honor it. If you choose not to tithe and do so from a pure heart God will honor that as well.
 
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The letter of the law kills, but it is the Spirit the law that makes alive.

The law was just a shadow of things to come, but not the very image of those things.

The tithe was given in the law as (a sign) of the Lords portion, which are his people.

Let no man bind you by the natural law.
 
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The "tithe" was a commandment for Israel (one tenth of their earnings), but the church is not under Israelite rulings. Christians are to give as "God has prospered him" (1 Cor. 16:2), and God "loves a cheerful giver". The thought in Scripture of giving to God is not the same as giving time to causes or good works, but earnings according as God has blessed that it might be used as God directs, rather than by our judgments. Surely we should not limit ourselves to only a tenth. Rarely do any of us give as we should, and it will all be revealed at the "Judgment Seat Of Christ".

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:thumbsup:Thanks everyone! That is why I cannot find anything about the 10% to give to churches because it does not exist. It's man-made:o I will still give and help people out of the goodness of my heart. I just hate the 1st 2 churches I went to focus on money more than God. I would give my life for God/Jesus. There is no amount of money I would not give them if commanded to do so.

I told a fellow christian I would rather be saved and poor than be unsaved and wealthy. That is how my spirit has grown with God. So it hurts me that I have been treated bad because of my financial status by past churches. Now it is time to let bygones be bygones and move forward. It's easier said than done but it is necessary if I want to live for Christ.

But anyway life goes on no use of crying over spilled milk....lol. Okay now let me go through these forums and see if I can begin helping people like you all have helped me :)

I am enjoying this forum you guys are WONDERFUL!!!
 
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There's a verse in one of the NT epistles that says the apostles had the right to pass the hat around (though I'm too lazy to look it up right now). This was based on the principle that it is right to compensate anyone for services rendered. Truth is though, so many churches today preach tithing in order to be served. If you are blessed in some way because of a ministry, you should consider giving back, and not the other way around.
 
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I Luv, you're doing great. It took me years to get to the truth about tithing. Some say it predated the Law and therefore continues, but so did circumcision, and in Galatians Paul condemns that. I'm heartened by the responses here. God bless all.
 
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1Watchman said, "The "tithe" was a commandment for Israel (one tenth of their earnings)..."

Not correct. The tithe was not commanded on earnings of any kind. The Biblical tithe was commanded on assets from God's miraculous increase of the crops and animals raised on the Holy land. NOT on earnings. NOT on income.

It is extremely important to understand that the Biblical tithe was on assets and not income. AND, those assets came from God's miracles.

The Biblical tithe had everything to do with God and NOTHING to do with man.
 
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1Watchman said, "The "tithe" was a commandment for Israel (one tenth of their earnings)..."

Not correct. The tithe was not commanded on earnings of any kind. The Biblical tithe was commanded on assets from God's miraculous increase of the crops and animals raised on the Holy land. NOT on earnings. NOT on income.

It is extremely important to understand that the Biblical tithe was on assets and not income. AND, those assets came from God's miracles.

The Biblical tithe had everything to do with God and NOTHING to do with man.

I want to agree with your statement about "assets", but I would add that it is not correct to say: "Nothing to do with man". It was binding on Israel to give the tithe to be obedient to God, or else forfeit blessing. I am not convinced it is "extremely important" as essential truth for us, as you say.

We might also say: it is binding on the church to hold the truths given in the NT, or else we will forfeit blessing (perhaps now, and surely at the Judgment Seat Of Christ). We cannot do as we please and ignore God and His expectations ---right?

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The Biblical tithe itself had nothing to do with man. It came from God, and it belonged to God. What was ultimately done with the tithe has to do with man. Man was commanded to take the tithe to the Levites. There were no blessings or curses attached to the tithe, but rather attached to how man followed God's commands regarding the tithe.
 
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Agree!!

God isn't a bank-the 10% tithe is just legalism.

(from a different member)
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Absolutely NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today-which is from the OT.

Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18: The First Tithe - a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.

Deuteronomy 14:22-27: The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29: The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.

Which of the above three tithes commanded by God does anyone follow today?

The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus didn’t tithe. Paul didn’t tithe. Peter didn’t tithe.

HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THAT WITH CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE TO PAY THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENT OR RENT, INCOME TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, SALES TAXES, ETC?

There is no way to justify making some “principle” out of the Biblical facts and then apply it to Christians today. It is just flat out wrong and makes no sense at all.

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.
 
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We might also say: it is binding on the church to hold the truths given in the NT, or else we will forfeit blessing (perhaps now, and surely at the Judgment Seat Of Christ). We cannot do as we please and ignore God and His expectations ---right?

As believers we are bound by the new covenant. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
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As said above, the tithe was not intended for our redemption. The offerings were connected with repentance. There was quite a complex list of tithes, offerings, and donations to festivals.
Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18: The First Tithe - a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.

Deuteronomy 14:22-27: The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29: The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.

The Laws of Moses were written to give the Israelites guidance in their transition from the disorganized desert, into the Promised Land, and "for all generations."

Out in the desert, they had just left the governmental structure of Egypt, and had nothing governing them.

If they were all slaves/servants, then none of them were professional lawmakers, criminal justice experts, social workers, doctors, or even priests. (I don't know this for a fact.... assumed.) Any expertise they had would have been carried out informally in their community.

Moses presented an organizational plan, through God's guidance, for all matters pertaining to the community.

There were no official provisions for the poor, until the Law instated the tithe. There were no ways for religious workers to be compensated for their time, no tabernacle supply plan, no police structure, no prison systems.... just desert and possibly 2 million people.

When we approach the tithe, we should think about what the needs of the community are: we already pay taxes that support needs within the population; we have tax breaks when we give to nonprofits; churches are/are not state-supported depending on the country...

Look at what is being met, or is not being met. Are there needs in the community that are under-represented? According to the original plan, I would think that volunteer ambulances would have been supported by the tithe -- because priests originally had medical duties.

The Israelites lived within a theocracy. When the practical aspects were lacking, the spiritual end suffered. When soldiers lost in battle, Judaism lost ground. When a communicable disease broke out, the people of God suffered. Everything was intertwined.

I firmly believe in the tithe, but not to elevate the power of the clergy. In the original plan, clergy did not own land or accumulate wealth. The original tithe was intended to make sure people without incomes were being fed.

When we live in a territory and claim our neighbors as part of our team, we need to take responsibility for that territory. Sometimes we have to fight to defend intrusions, or give up what we worked hard for to make sure our neighbors do not suffer.

That was the hum of the machinery of Christianity and Judaism -- a strong work ethic, but generosity and humility. Not holding too tightly to what we'd built up. Not competing so vehemently that we refuse to help others in need.

Look for the heart of the tithe.
 
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The biggest shock of my life was when I came to realize that God was real,faith in Christ was not just some man made religion. The second biggest shock in my life was when I found that christian leaders would stand before the church and knowingly lie about the bible. My first realization that a Pastor would knowingly lie to his church was when I witnessed a pastor teach that christians were commanded by the scriptures to tithe to the church. This one is a no brainer,mandatory tithing was given to Israel the nation, and the exact opposte of mandatory tithing...free will giving,was given to the church. That is the bible. Even today I cannot comprehend how a born again christian can preach about the One who is Truth(Christ) and that ALL LIARS will have their part in the lake of fire,and then lie to christians by telling them that they are under mandatory tithing when God has said that the church is under free will giving.
 
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The biggest shock of my life was when I came to realize that God was real,faith in Christ was not just some man made religion. The second biggest shock in my life was when I found that christian leaders would stand before the church and knowingly lie about the bible. My first realization that a Pastor would knowingly lie to his church was when I witnessed a pastor teach that christians were commanded by the scriptures to tithe to the church. This one is a no brainer,mandatory tithing was given to Israel the nation, and the exact opposte of mandatory tithing...free will giving,was given to the church. That is the bible. Even today I cannot comprehend how a born again christian can preach about the One who is Truth(Christ) and that ALL LIARS will have their part in the lake of fire,and then lie to christians by telling them that they are under mandatory tithing when God has said that the church is under free will giving.

There are greedy liars, but I hope there's a place in your cosmology for people who believe amiss, but who are not knowingly lying. Maybe it's just me and my slowness, but I found the scriptural tithe to be a complex, nuanced subject that took a long time to ferret out. Not only am I grateful for the Lord's patience toward me on such matters, I'm also humbled when I see someone who tithes out of a pure heart, for the love of God. I want to set them free from their doctrine, but I don't want to disturb their devotion.
 
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I tithe, and I am willing to share how and why I tithe:

To me, the principle of tithing has more to do with honoring God with your money and giving Him your "firstfruits" than with a strict 10%, as others have pointed out. As such, I try to place a stronger emphasis on taking my tithe out FIRST from my paycheck as opposed to sticking to a strict 10%.

However, I still do stick to a 10% or more policy. Why? Because I can afford it. I have never been able to NOT pay a 10% tithe, even when I was unemployed and scratching together odd-jobs. 10% of my income is a good reminder to not be caught up with earthly possessions, because every time I make the choice to tithe I think "well, if I don't tithe I would be able to by this, this, and this with the extra money". It is a principle of disciplining myself to honor God with my money.

Therefore, when I give I tithe (and I often fail to give a tithe because I am selfish and sinful just like anyone else), I stick to it. I don't try to give less just so that I can buy some toys I want. I want to honor God with my money, even if it means I can't buy certain things.

Above all, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. You don't have to proclaim how much you give or justify yourself in front of other people. When I tithe, I don't write my name on the envelope and I don't take a tax deduction. It is my aim to make sure that no one except my wife knows how much I am giving.
 
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