Would you support an Obama administration?

[mont974x4]

We don't want government dismantled, we want it limited so as not to screw up our lives. We realize that government has a very poor track record.

 

[JoshuaW]

We don't want government dismantled, we want it limited so as not to screw up our lives. We realize that government has a very poor track record.

Social security, Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, the American military, the Interstate highway system.....where is that poor track record you speak of?

 

[mont974x4]

The poor stay poor because of the government. There is no incentive for people to better themselves. The bailout is a huge mistake just as the Great Depression was made worse by government intervention. There are solvent banks and businesses ready to buy the ones that failed, but the government screwed that up and now they are involved even deeper in the banks. We spend more and get worse results concerning education when compared to many places. Government run health care is horrendous. We have the government to blame for high health care costs.The drug war? Social Security was supposed to be temporary, not an all time retirement plan for every citizen.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

He deserves as much support as the libs have given Bush for eight years...

 

[SiderealExalt]

I'm not a democrat/republican, or conservative/liberal and yes, I'll support it.

And hopefully the far right and left will learn to SHUT UP.

 

[JoshuaW]

so much wrong with your post, I hardly know where to start

The poor stay poor because of the government. There is no incentive for people to better themselves.

family, ambition, I want a new car? What do personal goals have to do with any government? All the government does is make sure the poor don't starve

The bailout is a huge mistake just as the Great Depression was made worse by government intervention.

I don't think anyone claims the Depression was "made worse" by government programs, though it took a war to end it.

There are solvent banks and businesses ready to buy the ones that failed, but the government screwed that up and now they are involved even deeper in the banks.

Name a "solvent bank" in a position to buy larger banks

We spend more and get worse results concerning education when compared to many places. Government run health care is horrendous. We have the government to blame for high health care costs.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? High health care prices are the result of a lack of regulation, of drug companies putting profit ahead of public service. How can you call government run health care "horrendous" when we have never had it?

The drug war?

and who would be fighting drug imports if not the government, you and your friends with Armalites and Budweisers?

Social Security was supposed to be temporary, not an all time retirement plan for every citizen.

Social Security has always been a lifelong, generational program. Show me one piece of evidence that it was ever considered temporary.

 

[mont974x4]

No, the government barely meets basic needs but the program is such that there is little incentive to work to get into a better position.

As to the rest? Do some homework. All you have done is spout the typical arguments. Bernanke himself mad a speech about the government making the Depression worse.


Meds would not cost as much of they didn't have to fight the FDA. Insurance wouldn't cost as much if we had more choices.


I would end the drug war. I am for decriminalization if not outright legalization.

As to the rest, again I encourage you to do some homework. Google will help you find the information. I need to get kids off to school and get some work done.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Social security, Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, the American military, the Interstate highway system.....where is that poor track record you speak of?

My experience with the interstate system is that it's a mess.

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.

The military spends $600 for toilet seats.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Social security, Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, the American military, the Interstate highway system.....where is that poor track record you speak of?

My experience with the interstate system is that it's a mess.

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.

The military spends $600 for toilet seats.

And the Civil Rights Act was like 40 years ago.

 

[JoshuaW]

My experience with the interstate system is that it's a mess.

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.

The military spends $600 for toilet seats.

And the Civil Rights Act was like 40 years ago.

And you think you could do a better job on your own without federal assistance? Why don't you start by fixing those potholes?

 

[Sphere]

We don't want government dismantled, we want it limited so as not to screw up our lives. We realize that government has a very poor track record.

You want the government limited except in the bedrooms (gay marriage) and telling women what they can't do with their bodies (abortion). Right?

 

[razzelflabben]

I can't take the poll because there is not an option for me.

For me, I will except him as The President "when" he wins the election. I will give him the respect that any person deserves who holds that office. However, I will fight hard against his socialist ideals as he trys to push them on the American People.

Well, I didn't vote either because my choice isn't there, but I got to make this comment about your comment. Any political figure needs to earn the right and respect of the office. They do that by representing the people (at least in this country) not by holding to their own agenda no matter what the people who elect them onewant. Had a senator here once, who when I wrote to him and spoke of my concerns, totally pushed me aside as in not addressing any of my concerns. I further questioned him on why he didn't reply to any of my concerns but only replied with a form letter that spoke of what he thought were his good points (wasn't even looking to an election). His reply was basically that he didn't have to. Long story short, took about two hours on the phone with an aid to say, that he didn't care what the people thought. I then said that I don't consider him worthy of the title of senator if he doesn't care what the people think or want and I was accused then and there of threats against him because I held him accountable to the job he was hired to do. Seems to me that if we all stepped up and held our political leaders accountable to the job they are hired to do, we would have a much better, healthier, livable government in this country.

 

[razzelflabben]

Why would a man who believed that want to be president? I'll never understand the conservative view that government must be dismantled. The whole purpose of government is to help the less fortunate, not to ridicule those who make the attempt.

problem is, the government doesn't help the less fortunate for the most part, it helps the more fortunate become even more fortunate. so it's like saying, "I'm helping myself at your expense, why are you ridiculing me for trying to make it look like I'm helping you?"

 

[razzelflabben]

so much wrong with your post, I hardly know where to start

family, ambition, I want a new car? What do personal goals have to do with any government? All the government does is make sure the poor don't starveI don't think anyone claims the Depression was "made worse" by government programs, though it took a war to end it.

can't let this one get away. The poor stay poor because the government needs them to stay dependent on the government. so in order to keep government jobs in place, the opportunities the poor need are removed for the most part. Now ask me how I know! Bottom line, if we were helping the poor to not starve and keeping opportunities for them, we would eventually be out of social services jobs and not need to programs any more. If on the other hand, we remove opportunities, keep the poor, poor, we keep jobs, power, lessen our consciences, and everyone is happy, everyone that is but the poor who keep opportunities to better themselves.

And what of the depression. My husband's grandmother and see is one of many people I have talked to with similar stories, was growing up on a farm when the government got involved in the depression. The result is that they were forced by the government to kill off a host of piglets that they were raising for food, because it was necessary for the government policies to work to keep the supplies low. In other words, the government created a need so that they could fill the need, so that they could show how concerned they were about the people who were suffering. How is that good? Bottom line, the government didn't help as much as they hurt.

What most people fail to understand is that economies have natural flows, that means that when they naturally good down, they will naturally go back up. All we had to do was allow people to help one another until the upward flow came into the picture. Instead, we used the government to make the problem bigger so that we could correct it and show the people how much we are for them, not our own selfish desires which were of course boosted along the way. Sorry, don't have any interest in that kind of "love" or concern.

 

[Caduceus]

Given the events of the last few weeks I think it is quite clear who runs the world and it ain't governments!


Neither do I understand the fear Americans have about the 'S' word (i.e. socialism). You already have some socialist policies (free public education, free libraries, fire-service and police force paid out of state revenue). So offering increasing help to those who need it (through sickness or unemployment) is no different. You could even go the whole way and vote for socialised medicine!

 

[flicka]

Which ever party is sworn is will have my support. Regardless of what I think I will give them the benefit of the doubt unless they prove incapable of doing their job.

 

[Chaplain David]

Yes, it is an insight into me. As a 60 year old man who was raised in the South, I know there is a large percentage of unrepentant racists in this country. They will not admit it to pollsters, they speak in code among themselves, but they are out there, and they will be enraged if a black man becomes president.

Frankly, living in the south myself I see the Hispanics (mainly Mexican workers) now taking the lowest place on the prejudice totem poll. I don't agree with it but have heard some of the good ol' boys talking that way. I was talking to this guy at a meeting and he was telling me how he'd started a side business of renting trailers to Mexicans. He went on to say how dirty they were, didn't know how to live like white people and I asked him what he meant. He said, well for one thing, they never close their screen doors. I looked at him and said well have you considered that in Mexico they may not have screen doors? I also went on to say that I have met an extraordinary number of really nice Hispanic workers. He muttered something about (I still don't trust 'em) and went and got another drink. Prejudice is an evil, vile, hateful thing and the people who perpetrate it will answer to the Lord one day.

 

[razzelflabben]

Given the events of the last few weeks I think it is quite clear who runs the world and it ain't governments!


Neither do I understand the fear Americans have about the 'S' word (i.e. socialism). You already have some socialist policies (free public education, free libraries, fire-service and police force paid out of state revenue). So offering increasing help to those who need it (through sickness or unemployment) is no different. You could even go the whole way and vote for socialised medicine!

yeah, and look how well those programs are doing....not very well at all.

 

[Caduceus]

yeah, and look how well those programs are doing....not very well at all.

Lack of government investment maybe? Or as in Britain money going to the wrong people?

The NHS has suffered in recent years because the money has gone to pay management consultants or into the pockets of the businesses that our naive government thought would work in partnership with the public sector because of altruistic ideals! Of course there is no altruism in capitalist business practice and so those organisations are now bleeding the tax-payer for their [millions of] pounds of flesh! [pun intentional]

 

[razzelflabben]

Lack of government investment maybe? Or as in Britain money going to the wrong people?

The NHS has suffered in recent years because the money has gone to pay management consultants or into the pockets of the businesses that our naive government thought would work in partnership with the public sector because of altruistic ideals! Of course there is no altruism in capitalist business practice and so those organisations are now bleeding the tax-payer for their [millions of] pounds of flesh! [pun intentional]

I usually refuse to get into discussions about socialism in general and whether it works of not. As to the US, it isn't working. But here is a problem that deals with all socialism that I can't get past nor can I get anyone to address. It's a simple math equasion. X dollars are necessary to meet the basic living expences of a family. So, X=poverty But the socialist government wants everyone to meet or exceed that number so they collect money to give to those who don't make X. But wait, we need people to collect that money and we need to pay them Y, poverty plus living wage. But that isn't enough, we also need people to pass out that money so we need to pay another person Y. In addition to that, we have paperwork that needs filled out in quadruplicate and that costs Z. So now, the amount it takes to feed a family is X but with the government involved it now costs X+Y+Y+Z to = the X amount the family is getting to eat. How does this math make sense? Wouldn't it make more sense to allow the people close to them, the people who have a heart of compassion and love to cover the cost at X+donation=X rather than to put it in the hands of the government and live with X+Y+Y+Z=X? I just can't seem to understand the logic of this equasion. Help me out please.