Where's Aristotle?

[TexasSky]

More that I can't believe an intelligent person would truly believe in that. *shrug* And before you get too irate, it's often the obnoxious religionists that ram the threat of eternal damnation down people's throats which provoke reactions such as mine.

So you doubt the intelligence of every Christian simply because you do not share our belief in the most personal part of our lives?

 

[Meshavrischika]

So you doubt the intelligence of every Christian simply because you do not share our belief in the most personal part of our lives?

obviously alot of people here do TS. I think it's just part of participating in this area.

Hugs.

 

[TexasSky]

Worship and following God are not the same as believing that a God exists.

Aristotle taught that all things have a soul, and that God, a superior intellect, thought things into existance.

Even if we accept that this is Jehovah, the King of King, the Almighty who was, and is, and will be - - we do not know if Aristotle worshipped God or not. He certainly did not profess to worship Yahweh, or to follow the teachings of ancient Hebrews.

Ergo, we have absolutely no way of answering the original OP.

 

[TexasSky]

And they call Christians judgemental people.

 

[Meshavrischika]

And they call Christians judgemental people.

the difference is that we're called not to be. they have no calling... hence no need not to judge. it's a higher standard is all.

not to mention, some of us are judgemental pains in the butt

 

[Meshavrischika]

And they call Christians judgemental people.

the difference is that we're called not to be. they have no calling... hence no need not to judge. it's a higher standard is all.

not to mention, some of us are judgemental pains in the butt

 

[TexasSky]

Of course not.
There were other Hebrews who followed God's will during the times of Abraham, Moses, Noah, et al.

The point Snoochface made, and she made it well, is that you can intellectually acknowledge the existance of "a God", without worshipping "the one true God."

The servants of Baal admitted that "a god" existed.
Demons admit that Christ is the Messiah. They just do not worship God nor do they follow Christ.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Of course not.
There were other Hebrews who followed God's will during the times of Abraham, Moses, Noah, et al.

The point Snoochface made, and she made it well, is that you can intellectually acknowledge the existance of "a God", without worshipping "the one true God."

The servants of Baal admitted that "a god" existed.
Demons admit that Christ is the Messiah. They just do not worship God nor do they follow Christ.

but you do agree we can't assume he's not talking about "God" as opposed to "god" as he didn't make the distinction himself (and no one here has recently spoken with him on the phone )

 

[Crazy Liz]

Of course not.
There were other Hebrews who followed God's will during the times of Abraham, Moses, Noah, et al.

The point Snoochface made, and she made it well, is that you can intellectually acknowledge the existance of "a God", without worshipping "the one true God."

The servants of Baal admitted that "a god" existed.
Demons admit that Christ is the Messiah. They just do not worship God nor do they follow Christ.

There weren't any Hebrews in the time of Noah.

 

[TexasSky]

If you mean going around saying, "You committed this sin, you're going to hell," then I agree re the higher calling, etc.

However - - the most frequent heard complaint from non-Christians is, "Why shouldn't I get into heaven too, even if I don't love God or have faith in Christ? You're judgemental! You want me to go to hell!"

I've always found it utterly ridiculous.
I don't want anyone to go to hell, but you've been told the truth, you reject the truth, you suffer the consequences of your own decisions.

If you do not apply to go to Harvard, it is not Harvard's fault that you are not a Harvard graduate.
If you apply, but do not meet the academic requirements, again, it is not Harvard's fault.
If you receive an invitation from Harvard, and toss it in the trash, it is still not Harvard's fault.

And Harvard not coming and dragging you in the gates does not mean they do not want you to have a college education.

I am so weary of people who seem to have no concept of responsiblity and consequence for their own choices, actions, etc.

 

[Meshavrischika]

There weren't any Hebrews in the time of Noah.

good catch

basically the Jews had not been "chosen" yet and ALL were able to be God's people (at least IMO).

 

[TexasSky]

Oh, I'll go further than that.
I'll say he SEEMS to be talking about God Jehovah.
He specifies that there is one God who thought everything into existance who communicates with us via a soul.

Where I doubt that he will meet us in heaven is when he says that this God is far too superior and above us to bother with us on earth, ergo, we're on our own.

That tends to convince me he did not worship God or attempt to follow God's will in his life.

But, only he and God know since he did not address that part of it beyond that statement.

 

[TexasSky]

Semantics.
The Hebrew Nation considers Noah to be one of their own.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Oh, I'll go further than that.
I'll say he SEEMS to be talking about God Jehovah.
He specifies that there is one God who thought everything into existance who communicates with us via a soul.

Where I doubt that he will meet us in heaven is when he says that this God is far too superior and above us to bother with us on earth, ergo, we're on our own.

That tends to convince me he did not worship God or attempt to follow God's will in his life.

But, only he and God know since he did not address that part of it beyond that statement.

hahaha

that sounds like some Christians I've heard (though I admit it's sad).

I agree though that ultimately God knows, we don't.

 

[snoochface]

Does that mean anyone before Christ who did not receive a personal visitation like these individuals is SOL?

No, not at all. I just think it matters what and who they were putting their faith in. There were plenty of folks depicted in the Old Testament who had faith in God without a personal visit from him. There were also plenty of folks depicted in the Old Testament who had faith in a god, or many gods, without a personal visit from any of them either. I see a big difference between the two groups.

As for Aristotle, no we don't have any way of really knowing for sure what "god" or "God" his faith was in. I do think it will make a difference in the end -- for him. It's not for us to know, though. God will work all that out individually with each of us.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Oh, I'll go further than that.
I'll say he SEEMS to be talking about God Jehovah.
He specifies that there is one God who thought everything into existance who communicates with us via a soul.

Where I doubt that he will meet us in heaven is when he says that this God is far too superior and above us to bother with us on earth, ergo, we're on our own.

That tends to convince me he did not worship God or attempt to follow God's will in his life.

But, only he and God know since he did not address that part of it beyond that statement.

So in the end, it is Aristotle's opinions about God that will decide his eternal fate?

 

[Crazy Liz]

No, not at all. I just think it matters what and who they were putting their faith in. There were plenty of folks depicted in the Old Testament who had faith in God without a personal visit from him. There were also plenty of folks depicted in the Old Testament who had faith in a god, or many gods, without a personal visit from any of them either. I see a big difference between the two groups.

As for Aristotle, no we don't have any way of really knowing for sure what "god" or "God" his faith was in. I do think it will make a difference in the end -- for him. It's not for us to know, though. God will work all that out individually with each of us.

What God or gods?

Does that mean there is more than one?

 

[snoochface]

So in the end, it is Aristotle's opinions about God that will decide his eternal fate?

Opinions? Hmm... interesting thought. Would you consider opinions to be the same as beliefs? I equate beliefs with faith. But opinions, I'm not sure. The demons know God but they have a pretty bad opinion of him.

 

[Meshavrischika]

So in the end, it is Aristotle's opinions about God that will decide his eternal fate?

What God or gods?

Does that mean there is more than one?

hahahaha

you're just being the devil's advocate now.

 

[snoochface]

What God or gods?

Does that mean there is more than one?

I don't think there is more than one, no. But other people do. Some people believe in gods and goddesses of different elements of nature. Many OT folks believe in Baal. The Greeks had gods they believed in.

Who did Aristotle believe in? The God of the Bible? Or one of these other gods? I don't know. I don't think anyone can know, except God.