Jesus is God says Koran...

[ApplePie7]

اتخذوا أحبارهم ورهبنهم أربابا من دون الله​

والمسيح ابن مريم وما أمروا إلا ليعبدوا إلها​

وحدا لا إله إلا هو سبحنه عما يشركون​

Ittakhathoo ahbarahum waruhbanahum arbaban min dooni Allahi waalmaseeha ibna maryama wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo ilahan wahidan la ilaha illa huwa subhanahu AAamma yushrikoona

9.31 They have taken their learned persons and their monks (as) lords from superior (to) “allah” and The Messiah, Mary's Son; and they commanded not except that they may worship one god, no god except He, glory be to Him from what they associate partners.


Observe that “allah” is included along with The Messiah, Jesus Christ, via the copulative conjunction “wa”, as being part and parcel of the prepositional phrase initiating with “min” (from).

Further, although "allah" and Jesus are listed separately, they are treated as ONE...via the singular "huwa" (him)...

This is the same exact method as used in the Holy Bible in many locations that proclaim the divinity of Jesus Christ...and, as such, the authors of the Koran have also copied this over into their opus.

The difference being that they have attempted to raise the pagan Arab god "allah" up to the Biblical deity status of Jesus Christ.

You will see the modern English translators deceitfully butchering this text by inserting all sorts of add-on-words in parenthesis – in order to make this ayah conform to the Islamic paradigm.

Fact of the matter is that this ayah proclaims Jesus Christ as God Almighty.

 

[SedjmNeter]

P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...

So the Qur'aan proclaims something that even Jesus himself did not?!

SHEM HETEP

 

[ApplePie7]

P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...

So the Qur'aan proclaims something that even Jesus himself did not?!

SHEM HETEP

Jesus clearly stated that He is God in the Holy Bible.

Even the authors of the Koran understood this...

 

[SedjmNeter]

P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...

But Jesus is clearly just a part of THE ALL. Eye dont doubt he had become One with THE ALL (it took him 30 years to do so, and probably other lifetimes as well), but he cannot be THE ALL because...well...it's quite obvious that he wasn't ALL.

SHEM HETEP

 

[ApplePie7]

P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...

But Jesus is clearly just a part of THE ALL. Eye dont doubt he had become One with THE ALL (it took him 30 years to do so, and probably other lifetimes as well), but he cannot be THE ALL because...well...it's quite obvious that he wasn't ALL.

SHEM HETEP

Then perhaps you are not that familiar with your scriptures...

 

[SedjmNeter]

Eye'm familiar with my Scriptures, yes. Eye'm also familiar with sound right reasoning which says that Jesus can only have been a part of THE ALL because his existence was within THE ALL. Like eye said, eye'm sure he awoke his true SELF, that is ONE with THE ALL, but this is something we all are capable of and does not make Jesus worthy of worship above THE ALL.

SHEM HETEP

 

[ApplePie7]

Eye'm familiar with my Scriptures, yes. Eye'm also familiar with sound right reasoning which says that Jesus can only have been a part of THE ALL because his existence was within THE ALL. Like eye said, eye'm sure he awoke his true SELF, that is ONE with THE ALL, but this is something we all are capable of and does not make Jesus worthy of worship above THE ALL.

SHEM HETEP

The scriptures of half the world's population tells us that Jesus Christ is God.

This is pretty powerful evidence...

 

[SedjmNeter]

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Sorry but having the scriptures of half the worlds population saying Jesus is God isn't all that powerful evidence because simple mathematics says that that leaves another half the world who's scriptures say he isn't. And please don't say that not all of the people in the other half have scriptures because scripture is just writing. Everyone, even atheists have writing that they use to back up their viewpoint on things. Writing in the end is not very powerful evidence at all.

SHEM HETEP

 

[SedjmNeter]

Also, it's one (or 2 because U have obviously now added the Qur'aan) book. If half the population owned the Cat in the Hat and proclamied the events to be true, that doesn't mean those events are true.

SHEM HETEP

 

[ApplePie7]

Sorry but having the scriptures of half the worlds population saying Jesus is God isn't all that powerful evidence because simple mathematics says that that leaves another half the world who's scriptures say he isn't.

Thanks for not denying that half of the world has scriptures that state that Jesus is God.

This cannot be overlooked, as this is a common theme that the Koran has with the Holy Bible - from which the Koran copied itself from…

And please don't say that not all of the people in the other half have scriptures because scripture is just writing. Everyone, even atheists have writing that they use to back up their viewpoint on things. Writing in the end is not very powerful evidence at all.

On the contrary writing has always been a very powerful tool.

Also, it's one (or 2 because U have obviously now added the Qur'aan) book. If half the population owned the Cat in the Hat and proclamied the events to be true, that doesn't mean those events are true.

Once again…thanks for NOT denying that both the Islamic and the Christian scriptures both represent Jesus Christ as God Almighty…

 

[benmaarof]

اتخذوا أحبارهم وره​

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Fact of the matter is that this ayah proclaims Jesus Christ as God Almighty.

Please explain why when we Muslims and even the majority of non-Muslims read the those words, none of us, saw the Quran proclaiming Jesus as God? Are your Arabic better than us?

Why did none of us Muslims who printed those words never claimed that it said Jesus is God? Where did you learn to read?

Why is your level of reading comprehension very different than the rest of us?

It would make you look less ridiculous to criticize what we believe rather than criticizing what we don't believe.

 

[ApplePie7]

Please explain why when we Muslims and even the majority of non-Muslims read the those words, none of us, saw the Quran proclaiming Jesus as God? Are your Arabic better than us?

Why did none of us Muslims who printed those words never claimed that it said Jesus is God? Where did you learn to read?

Why is your level of reading comprehension very different than the rest of us?

It would make you look less ridiculous to criticize what we believe rather than criticizing what we don't believe.

How many people do you know that take the time to exegete the ayahs down to the root level…?

 

[benmaarof]

How many people do you know that take the time to exegete the ayahs down to the root level…?

Quite a lot actually. And what they say different than your claims. Are your Arabic better if you are really exegete the phrases down to the root?

Just us the word 'sentences' instead of 'ayah'. They are just the same literally.

Again. Please criticize our beliefs. You are just wasting your time criticizing our non-beliefs.

How about proving Jesus is God is more logical and true instead of him being just a prophet of God and Islamic belief pertaining to his nature if false and illogical. We might disagree but at least you'll have more credibility.

 

[abuhanifah]

Thanks for not denying that half of the world has scriptures that state that Jesus is God.

This cannot be overlooked, as this is a common theme that the Koran has with the Holy Bible - from which the Koran copied itself from…





On the contrary writing has always been a very powerful tool.





Once again…thanks for NOT denying that both the Islamic and the Christian scriptures both represent Jesus Christ as God Almighty…

i'm sorry...

are you on something psychedelic?

There was a guy on TBN saying the same things you are...and, he has a website i think. Do you know him? have you read him? Are you him?

Wallahu a'lam

 

[ApplePie7]

How about proving Jesus is God is more logical and true instead of him being just a prophet of God and Islamic belief pertaining to his nature if false and illogical. We might disagree but at least you'll have more credibility.

Seems the ayahs in your book of faith are amply demonstrating that Jesus is deity.

Exegetically refute.....if you are able....

 

[abuhanifah]

Seems the ayahs in your book of faith are amply demonstrating that Jesus is deity.

Exegetically refute.....if you are able....

I wonder if you are aware of what a logical fallacy is?

Do you believe that the Qur'an is the word of G-d?

Wallahu A'lam

 

[ApplePie7]

Do you believe that the Qur'an is the word of G-d?

No.

 

[SedjmNeter]

P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...

On the contrary writing has always been a very powerful tool.

Eye never said anything about it not being a powerful tool, eye am aware of the power of the written word, we all know the pen is mightier than the sword. It's not however very powerful evidence of anything. Anyone can write anything regardless of whether it is true or false.

SHEM HETEP

 

[benmaarof]

Seems the ayahs in your book of faith are amply demonstrating that Jesus is deity.

Exegetically refute.....if you are able....

Now I get it. You got this from some website TRYING to sound legitimate. But in actuality, the author was distorting the Arabic making it sounding legit where it is not.

Here's a few reputable translation

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YUSUFALI: They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
PICKTHAL: They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
SHAKIR: They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one Allah only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).

Sorry, we're not buying what you are selling. We only deal in logic. Jesus being god is not logical.

 

[ApplePie7]

P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...



Eye never said anything about it not being a powerful tool, eye am aware of the power of the written word, we all know the pen is mightier than the sword. It's not however very powerful evidence of anything. Anyone can write anything regardless of whether it is true or false.

SHEM HETEP

Then test it...