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Pew poll: 52% of Catholics including 61% of white Catholics back Trump over Harris

I honestly don’t know how it would work out with 5 parties.
A lot more choices.
Maybe less haggling and more policy speaking.

Because the other parties are like off shoots of the 2.
Independent, Green, Reform, Libertarian, Socialist , Natural Law, Constitution..

I like some who have run Independent.

Anyway the politicians have to have 1million votes to get on the ballot and we don’t see them in debates.
Do check out the American Solidarity Party. Tiny, shut out, but worthy.
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As Christ Loved Us and..

“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.” (Ephesians 5:1-2 ESV)

One of the goals of our walks of faith in Jesus Christ is that we become like God (Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit) in character, thought, word, and deed. This is not optional though, but it is progressive. And the process of becoming more like Jesus will last a lifetime, if we are committed to that process, and if we cooperate with God’s work of grace in our lives in making us more like him. And this means that we should do the kinds of things that Jesus did, and speak the kinds of messages that he spoke, too.

For to believe in Jesus Christ with God-gifted faith in him requires that we become one of his disciples (followers). And a disciple is one who models his life after the one he is following, and who imitates him in character and in deed. And so, if we are true followers (disciples) of Jesus Christ, who are modeling our lives after his character, and so we are doing the things that he requires that we do, as his followers, then we are going to be growing in the grace of Christ and we will be serving him with our lives in ministry.

And that also means that we will suffer like he suffered, too, for the sake of his name, and for the sake of his gospel message, and for the sake of truth and righteousness. As they maligned and hated and persecuted Jesus when he lived on the earth, if we are his true disciples, they will do the same to us. And “they” are not just those who make no professions of faith in Jesus Christ, but they include many who profess to believe in Christ, even some who are pastors and elders in the gatherings of “the church.”

For Jesus said that if anyone would come after him, he must deny self, take up his cross daily (die daily to sin and to self) and follow (obey) him. For if we try to save (hold on to) our old lives, we will lose them for eternity. But if for Jesus’ sake we deny self, die daily to sin, and follow him in walks of obedience to his commands, then we have the hope of eternal life. And if we love other humans more than we love God/Christ, we are not worthy of him. But we are to follow Jesus’ example he gave us for how to live our lives.

For, even before God laid the foundations of the earth he predestined those he foreknew to be conformed to the likeness of his only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord. This is what it means to believe in Jesus, to shed our old lives of self and sin and to now let God make us into new creations in him, no longer to make sin our practice, but now to walk in holiness and in righteousness and in walks of obedience to our Lord. For Jesus died to transform us into his likeness, not just to save us from our sins.

Therefore, we are to have the mindset of Christ, as his followers. And we are to humble ourselves before God in full submission to him as Lord (Owner-Master) of our lives. And we are to become, not only his beloved children, but also those who serve him with our lives, as living sacrifices to him. For we now belong to him, and he owns us, and he is now to be the one directing our paths and showing us the way he wants us to go. And we, too, are to become obedient to our Lord, even to the point of death.

For we are to share in the fellowship of his sufferings, becoming like him in his death. And if our lives are truly committed to him and to his service, and if we are taking a stand for truth and for righteousness in a day and time when lies and liars abound, even within the gatherings of what are called “churches,” then we are going to be persecuted as he was. Especially if we are refuting the popular altered gospel of today which does not require death to sin and obedience to God, we are going to be opposed.

But when we are mistreated, we are to love our persecutors and do good to them. And this love is centered in moral purity, and it prefers what God prefers, which is all that is holy, righteous, morally pure, upright, honest, faithful, and obedient to our Lord and to his commands. So this is the kind of love that will sacrifice self and acceptance of others in order to tell people the truth which can save their souls from hell, even if we get sacrificed in return. For that is following after Jesus’ example of how he lived and loved.

“Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry.” (1 Peter 4:1-3 ESV)

Amen! And..

“Whoever says ‘I know him’ but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.” (1 John 2:4-6 ESV)

[Matthew 10:25,37-39; Luke 6:40; Luke 9:23-26; John 13:12-15; Romans 8:29; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Ephesians 5:1-2; Philippians 2:5-8; Philippians 3:10; 1 Thessalonians 1:6-7; 1 Peter 2:21-23; 1 Peter 4:1-3; 1 John 2:4-6]

Not I, but Christ

By Ada A. Whiddington / A. B. Simpson

… I no longer live, but Christ lives in me… (Galatians 2:20 NIV)


Not I, but Christ be honored, loved, exalted,
Not I, but Christ be seen, be known, be heard;
Not I, but Christ in every look and action,
Not I, but Christ in every thought and word.

Not I, but Christ to gently soothe in sorrow,
Not I, but Christ to wipe the falling tear;
Not I, but Christ to lift the weary burden,
Not I, but Christ to hush away all fear.

Christ, only Christ, no idle word e'er falling,
Christ, only Christ, no needless bustling sound;
Christ, only Christ, no self-important bearing,
Christ, only Christ, no trace of “I” be found.

Not I, but Christ my every need supplying,
Not I, but Christ my strength and health to be;
Christ, only Christ, for spirit, soul, and body,
Christ, only Christ, live then Thy life in me.

Christ, only Christ, ere long will fill my vision,
Glory excelling soon, full soon I'll see;
Christ, only Christ, my every wish fulfilling,
Christ, only Christ, my all in all to be.

Oh, to be saved from myself, dear Lord,
Oh, to be lost in Thee,
Oh, that it might be no more I,
But Christ that lives in me.

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Janet Jackson Questions Whether Kamala Harris Is Black, Thinks Election May Bring ‘Mayhem’

In an interview with The Guardian, pop star appears to parrot misinformation Trump and others have spread

Continued below.

Potential Peace deal between Russia and Ukraine was blocked by Biden-Harris official in 2022

Ah, true. It was in another thread. In essence, his idea for a peace plan is that Russia gets to keep all the land it occupies (and not mentioned, so I guess Ukraine would have to return the land it occupies) and that a DMZ be established (managed how, not said) and that Ukraine would be forbidden from ever joining NATO or any similar organisations. I can't remember if it was military organisations specifically, but would exclude the EU as well because the agreement has a military component in it, even if it's not as clear as Article 5 (to put it loosely).

That doesn't sound like a plan, that sounds like "Give Russia everything and anything they want" and not allowing Ukraine to have any say in their future. How is that any type of serious plan?
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Accountability

I find it interesting that many among us hate any form of regulation.

I have started a bible study on another forum and set it up so that participants had to first agree to the Nicene creed.

I would never give my name to a free platform run by a third party. It wouldn't matter if it was Christian or not. Nor would I verify my identity with a government ID.

If you want an environment devoid of drama it must be paid. I have several memberships and the moderators don't have a smidgen of the issues you encounter on other platforms. Money attracts a different demographic and the more it costs the more pleasant it is.

That probably isn't what you wanted to hear but it's true. Moderation takes a lot of time and energy and in most cases it's done by volunteers. I don't expect perfection from a free service. It's unrealistic.

~bella
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How did the Xia people in China build up the population so quickly after the flood?

Biblehub suggested that Noah's flood happened before 2500 BCE.

Let's say 2700 BCE.

Xia dynasty time estimates:


Let's take the modern estimate of 1700 BCE.

Population estimates:



Let's take the modern estimate of 2 million.

Noah's descendants had 1000 years to build up 2.1 million Chinese people in the Xia dynasty.
Ah yes, the third millennium BC (Backwards Counting) - what eminent Egyptologist Kenneth Kitchen has described as murky history. So I'll wander into the murky fog ...

Suppose the Flood occurred in the early 3000s BC - maybe 3100 BC. And to round off the numbers, recorded Chinese history begins around 2000 BC (though I am inclined toward 2205 BC). As you guessed, that's about a millennium. In ancient times, people had children at a younger age - say 20 years. Then that is 1000/20 = 50 generations. How many children per generation are required? (It is the same kind of math formula as business calculation of compound interest.) Then
x^50 = 2.1 x 10^6 => x = 1.338 children per generation​
This assumes perfect replacement, but people die in childhood or have no children or are killed before they do, so it is an ideal number, though a number like 2 or 3 is entirely likely. And children are not all born at a parental age of 20, but it is not an unreasonable average guess (so I suppose). So yes, it is possible.​
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Half of US clergy backs Trump — with only 23% backing Harris: survey

That's odd. I regularly hear whinging on this very site about how few "so-called" (as they are often tagged) Christians go to church regularly, or have a "Biblical worldview", or Catholics about the large number of their fellows that don't follow the Church's teachings on birth control or abortion.

Don't think "listening to clergy" on politics is super high in the pews.
Some people have their own views and don’t accept what religion tells them. Not shocking by any means.
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Chicago schools told teachers to give migrant students passing grades, ignore performance: report

It's a difficult problem for a school system that doesn't have enough bilingual teachers. But I believe with a little creativity it will get solved.
I'm glad they aren't holding these children back and allowing them to move forward. If the past is any example migrant children quickly catch on to a new language and catch up to their peers. In fact, at home, they often become the teacher teaching their parents the new language to both speak and write it.
I agree to a certain extent.

If you come to our country, you must learn our language. Period. That’s the only way someone can communicate and thrive.

My opinion only.
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The Secret Place of the Most High

The scriptures do speak of the "sides of the north," in Psalm 48:2, "Mount Zion, the sides of the north," and Isaiah 14:13 when "Lucifer", that is, Halel Ben Shohar, says he will exalt his throne above the stars of God, sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north .
And we know he was cast out, and became Satan.

The scriptures mention the north quite a lot & I don't think that the anagram of north is coincidental either;

North = throne without the e
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Court rules nearly 98,000 Arizonans whose citizenship hadn't been confirmed can vote the full ballot

these are not non-citizens. They are people who registered before the State required verification. There's no reason to think they are non-citizens. They've taken an oath that they are. The State was supposed to verify people who had registered before the requirement, but a paperwork error caused them not to be checked. The law specifies processes for dealing with unverified voters, which requires giving them notice so they can supply verification. There isn't time to do that before the election. The State Supreme Court said that the law doesn't allow them to be dropped without following the process.

The US Supreme Court had already made the same decision for Federal elections, so without this decision these people would have voted only in Federal contests.

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If anyone cares. more are registered Republican than Democrat.
The woke approach to crime doesn't work--Kamala has shown that. The Biden/Harris administration has lost track of approximately 325,000 minors. No one knows the total number of those who are human trafficked. The older trafficked children and adults could be coerced into voting by their cartel masters--a signature is not going to stop them.
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What Was the Babylonian Exile and Why Should I Care?

I believe a number of the Old Testament texts were written during and after the Babylonian exile.

Because the Jews were forced to rethink their role after the destruction of the temple and the bitterness of the exile, I get the sense the exile meant they had to consider where their real identity lay.

Was it to be a national identity or was it as the people of God?

Since Christ has come, one could say they've achieved their purpose in God's eyes.
I agree.
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Will there be few or many people who inherit eternal life?

Jesus did not give an absolute number of people who would go to heaven.
Jesus said few and many. Zechariah 13:8 says one third. “It will come about in all the land,” Declares the LORD, “Two parts in it will be cut off and perish, But the third will be left alive."
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