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Freeing Us From Slavery to Sin

“Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.” (Hebrews 2:14-15 NASB1995)

Jesus Christ, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – left his throne in heaven, came to earth, and took on human flesh in being born as a baby to a virgin woman, but conceived of the Holy Spirit, and not of man. So he was not born with a sin nature as we are. And while he lived on the earth he was fully human and fully God (God incarnate), and he never sinned. And at the age of 30 he began his earthly ministry. And so he called 12 men to be his disciples and to work alongside him in ministry.

During his 3 to 3 ½ years of ministry on the earth, he healed the sick and afflicted, raised the dead, delivered people from demons, fed the hungry, comforted the sorrowful, and he performed many miracles. He also taught the critical importance of repentance for salvation from sin and for eternal life with God. And repentance, which is gifted to us by God along with our salvation and the faith to believe in Jesus, is a change of heart and mind resulting in a change of behavior away from sin to obedience to our God.

There were many people who followed Jesus for a period of time, but many of them deserted him later on when his teachings became too hard for them to accept. For they were mostly following him because of the miracles he performed. But the religious rulers and people of influence in the temple of God mostly rejected him and fought against him, and tried to find ways to trip him up with his words so they would have cause to accuse him of wrong. And eventually they had him put to death on a cross, hoping to end him.

But it was God’s will and purpose that Jesus Christ should suffer and die on that cross. For in his death, he put our sins to death with him so that, by God-persuaded and God-gifted faith in him, we will now die to sin and live to God and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands, by the Spirit. For in his death and resurrection he rendered powerless him who had the power of death, that is the devil, in order to free us from our addiction to sin so that we will serve God with our lives, living holy lives pleasing to him.

[Isaiah 53:1-12; Matthew 26:26-29; Luke 17:25; John 1:1-36; John 6:35-58; John 8:24,58; John 10:27-33; John 20:28-29; Romans 5:8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 9:5; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32; 1 Corinthians 15:1-8; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; Hebrews 2:14-15; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 1:1]

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

And this is the truth of the gospel message taught by Jesus and by his New Testament apostles, which we can discover for ourselves if we read the Scriptures in their appropriate biblical context, and if we do not rely on other humans to tell us the truth. For many are they who are teaching lies in the name of Jesus, and in the name of the gospel of our salvation, who are teaching that all we have to do is to make a verbal confession of Christ as Lord, and now all our sins are forgiven and heaven is secured us for eternity.

But by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

So, please be students of the Scriptures who study them in their correct biblical context, and who believe the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles, and who do not rely on other humans and on social media and on preachers to tell you the truth. For many speak lies, either willfully with the intent to deceive, or unknowingly out of biblical ignorance. And please know that the Scriptures teach that if sin is what we practice, and not obedience to God, that we will not inherit eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Who Believes?

Based off Isaiah 53
An Original Work / October 3, 2013
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Gospel message, who believes?
Jesus Christ died on a tree,
Saving us from all our sin,
So we might be cleansed within.

Had no beauty found in Him,
That we should desire Him.
Man of sorrows, suffering;
Crushed for our iniquities.

Surely He has borne our griefs;
From our sadness, brings relief.
Bore the stripes; forsaken, He,
So forgiven we might be.

We, like sheep, have gone astray,
Each of us turned his own way.
Jesus calls, “Repent today;
My commandments, now obey.”

Jesus said, to come to him,
We must die to all our sin.
Crucified with Him, we live,
Walking in His righteousness.

Suff’ring servants, we will be,
Taking His identity on us,
When confessing Him
As our Savior, Lord and King.

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Freeing Us From Slavery to Sin
An Original Work / December 2, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Judge orders Trump administration to halt warrantless immigration arrests in District of Columbia


Obama judge, so not a surprise.

A look at Hosea 12:13-14:9 and John 1:51 (Haftarah for Torah portion "VaYetze")

HOSEA 12:13-14:9

The prophet condemns Israel for “forsaking the LORD.” Israel was led out of Egypt by the prophet Moses (Moshe) and tended to, provided for by YHVH, yet Israel forsook the LORD, chasing after false gods, going into idolatry. Now the LORD will punish, and his wrath will fall upon his people.

Yet YHVH still loves his people, yet will exact punishment and judgment just like a father, will punish and judge a disobedient son or daughter. Can we expect anything less from Adonai? If we abandon our LORD and live like a lost person, loving the desires of the lost world and the flesh, can we expect anything less than judgment from HIM who set us free from sin?

We always hear "God is Love", "God is kind." "God is good." Yes, yes, all true, but we also need to look at the other side of our creator. He is also a God of wrath and judgment, of discipline. Does this not show how our earthly fathers are? Our fathers showed us love, yet also discipline when we erred. They needed to spank us or punish us to get us on the right path again. Exodus 34 describes God as abundant mercy and long-suffering, slow to anger. The Hebrew idiom, "erech Apaim" (long-suffering or slow to anger) is known as "long nose." We imagine an angry person breathing heavily through their nose, but having a loooooonnnggg nose would mean more patience. But God does have his limits.

Yet there is hope. In Chapter 14, it starts with: “Shuvah Israel ad YHVH Eloheikha” (Return Israel unto the LORD thy God…” There is always hope while we have the breath of life. The words “Ad” or “Ed” have the same Hebrew consonants, “Ayin Dalet,” which can also mean “Witness.”

Adonai witnesses our waywardness as well as our “return” to Him. There is sin, and there is also repentance. This is what he wanted His people to do, this is what He wants US to do, since we are all part of His people. So, don't wait until it is too late. We might feel His chastisement in one way or another in this day and age, yet He still loves us and is calling our attention.

The word "Teshuvah," from which "shuv" is the verb, is "return, turn around, having a change of mind and direction." So the Prophet Hosea calls the attention of wayward Israel to their waywardness. As an example, God told him to marry a prostitute, an unfaithful wife. She found herself on the slave market, yet Hosea bought her back. This is the same way God reaches out to all believers who have gone off the straight path and jumped off the deep end of the pool with cement shoes! He'll break the cement and bring us back if we are willing.

Like Israel, have you gone astray? I think we all have, some more than others. There is hope in Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ), who paid it all.


John 1:51

This part of John tells of Nathanael's encounter with Yeshua. Early in Yeshua's ministry, when there we only a few disciples, John, Phillip, and Simon Peter, Yeshua saw Nathanael under a fig tree. We might imagine what he might have been doing, perhaps in prayer or just resting. He got up and followed Phillip, and Yeshua saw him and said, "Here is a true son of Israel, nothing false in him." So, we could say that Yeshua looked deep inside of Nathanael and saw the "inner Nathanael. (meaning "a gift of God) God's gift was faith and sincerity. He told him the following:

"You will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man." This echoes the time that Jacob was fleeing from angry Esau and was headed to Haran, about 400 miles away, to seek a wife (or two). He had a dream of a ladder (Sulam), the Hebrew word meaning for "Sulam" is a "ladder with rungs" or a "Staircase." And angels were descending and ascending on the Son of Man. The identity of the "Sulam" is Yeshua himself. Angels are being sent to serve him, and also, angels are called "messengers."

In Hebraic thought and commentary, the ladder or staircase had 22 rungs or steps symbolizing the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Each Hebrew letter has a meaning, so if Yeshua is the ladder, then we get to God the Father through the Son, as in John 14:6. Each step or rung could be part of our relationship with the LORD, "Aleph" being God, "Beit" (B) Household of faith "Gimmel" (G) greatness in our relationship "Dalet' (D) "Yeshua as the "Door" as in John 10:9. Like I said, it is commentary, but don't we all advance in life with the LORD step-by-step, and rung-by-rung?

Now Nathanael was not living at the time of Jacob, but Jacob's name was changed to "Israel," so Nathanael being a "Son of Israel," can mean that "Yes, indeed, he is a descendant of Jacob, and he has the faith of Jacob. But now, Nathanael will see that Heaven has indeed opened and Yeshua has come down from Heaven to minister on Earth, and indeed, the angels will be at his service. Who knows how many times angels have gotten us out of fixes and situations, being instructed by God? We will find out in heaven, and hopefully will meet our guardian angel.

Shalom, have a blessed rest of the week.

UK Palestinian Activists Fractures Female Officer's Spine


I can scarcely believe this when I read the news. It is one thing to be supporting a side in a conflict - why I may add it absolutely moronic, seeing what both sides have committed, it is another to hurt another people with intent to kill. Before anyone says they never intended to kill, save it because you can't tell me that when you swing a sledgehammer on a down person. They have full intent on taking a life.

As I re-read this again my blood only boils more. I hope they are all given the maximum penalty possible. There is nothing moral being done here. All I see are degenerates who can barely be called homosapien. In my helpless anger I can only pray for the recovery of officer Kate Evans. Yes she has a name. And may the name of the activists be forgotten by human history.

The Economist on Trump Economy

In his second term Donald Trump has torn up not just trade rules but the machinery of economic measurement. After lashing out at weak job figures, he sacked the head of the Bureau of Labour Statistics in August, unsettling markets. A month-long government shutdown has since paused nearly all official data releases, leaving policymakers “driving in the fog”, as Jerome Powell, chair of the Federal Reserve, put it.

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Jude, and 1 Enoch

I can explain pretty much every single prophecy in the bible but it takes a long time so I will post an important one here
Jude quotes Enoch 7th from Adam about the Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD, and killing the people that killed Jesus, and quotes 1 Enoch 1:1-9. Enoch says it is a prophecy for a remote generation because he is writing pre flood about an event thousands of years into the future. He says people will be in tribulation like Jesus said 70 AD would be great tribulation. Enoch says God will come over MT Sinai because Jerusalem is metaphorically called MT Sinai (Galatians 4 25) first century AD, and Jesus told the apostles he was coming back in their lifetime. Jesus came back 70 AD like all the prophecies said, all the Israelites rose from the dead, the faithful ones got raptured same with some of the living pre destined elect remnant of the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was the 144 000 in Rev 7 all saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future. Gospel of Nicodemus inspired apocrypha for the wise only (like 1 Enoch is) has more info on people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died. Also some of the other acts Pilate has more info on the event too.

Is Morphic Resonance Real

AI Overview

Morphic resonance is
a theory proposed by biologist Rupert Sheldrake that suggests all natural systems, including organisms and crystals, have a collective memory that influences their form and behavior over time. This proposed mechanism of "formative causation" claims that past forms and behaviors of similar systems create a cumulative, invisible influence that shapes the development and patterns of present systems, rather than being governed by fixed physical laws alone. It implies that nature is habitual and that new behaviors can spread more rapidly through a species because of this shared, non-physical memory.

Key concepts

Collective memory: Each species, from animals to plants, possesses a collective memory that individuals can access and to which they contribute.

Habitual nature: The theory suggests that the regularities of nature are more like habits that have been reinforced by repetition, rather than being immutable laws.

Similarity: The resonance is based on similarity. The more similar an organism or system is to past ones, the greater the influence it will have.

Behavior and form: Morphic resonance is said to influence both the physical form and the behavior of a system. For example, it is proposed to explain instincts and how certain patterns of behavior, like a new trick learned by rats in one location, can be learned more quickly by other rats of the same breed elsewhere.

Individual memory: The resonance of a system with its own past is also suggested as a way to explain individual memory, where memories are not entirely stored in the brain but are accessed through a resonance with the brain's past states.

The New Testament begins in Acts not Matthew chapter one.

The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew​

When you read the Gospels in the Bible, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, do they sometimes seem to contradict other parts of the New Testament Scripture? For example, in Matthew 6:15, Jesus said, “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.” Yet, in Colossians 2:13, the Apostle Paul wrote, “…God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.” How can there be two different perspectives written in the same New Testament?

Many Christians experience confusion because they think all of Jesus’ teachings are part of the New Testament, also known as the “New Covenant.” However most of them are not. The New Testament, which is God’s New Covenant with mankind, actually starts in the book of Acts, not Matthew. How do we know this fact is true?

When reading the New Testament, ask yourself this question, “Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” If not, then those writings are part of the Old Covenant in most cases. If the writings are after Jesus died, then it’s part of the New Covenant.

When Jesus came to earth, He came directly to the Jews who were still under the Old Covenant with God. Want the gist of the Old Covenant? Deuteronomy 28 spells it out very clearly. If Israel obeyed God’s laws, there were 12 verses of blessings He would give them (see Deuteronomy 28:1-14). But, if Israel disobeyed God’s laws, there were 52 verses of curses He would give them. (see Deuteronomy 28:15-68).

Would you want to live in that kind of tension-filled relationship with God? No way! Unfortunately, many Christians today believe that is still how God treats them, even though we are under the New Covenant of grace. Therefore, Christianity feels more like a burden, instead of a blessing.

Many of the things that Jesus taught in the Gospels was Old Covenant instruction to the Jews of His day. When He taught them, He was raising the bar of how perfect they needed to be accepted and blessed by God. Here are some examples:
  • “Unless you are more righteous than the strictest religious leaders in Jesus’s day, the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will not go to heaven.” (Matthew 5:20)
  • “Calling someone an idiot or crazy because you are angry with them will send you to hell.” (Matthew 5:22)
  • “Lust is adultery.” (Matthew 5:27-28)
  • “You must live a perfect life exactly the way God does.” (Matthew 5:48)
These performance-based teachings were aimed to show the Jews and anyone who reads the Bible today that it’s impossible to get God’s unconditional acceptance by obeying the law. Jesus was preparing people to understand how much they needed Him to be their Savior.

God was about to bring into existence the New Covenant, and Jesus was preparing them and everyone else for it. But, here’s the key. The New Covenant did not begin until Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection, and ascension were complete. For instance, Hebrews 9:15 says:

“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a New Covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the Old Covenant.”

Remember Jesus’ teachings we just listed from the book of Matthew? Let’s compare what the New Covenant says about you as a Christ follower:
  • God has already forgiven you whether you forgive or not. (Colossians 2:13)
  • God made you perfect in your identity in Christ. (Hebrews 10:14)
  • God made you a holy person and not a lustful person in Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:2)
  • God made you a patient person because you’re complete in Christ. (Colossians 2:10)
The Old Covenant was conditional based on mankind’s imperfect works. The New Covenant is conditional based on faith in Jesus’ perfect work. Do you see the amazing difference?

Read the New Testament with a lot more clarity now that you know the New Testament starts in Acts, rather than Matthew!

The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew

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Qumran cave 7 7q5 Mark 50 AD dead sea scroll fragment

Here is the original study in Spanish
Can copy paste the URL into sci hub to get the full article, download the PDF, upload it into chat GPT then ask it to translate into English
Bill Cooper has a book on it The Authenticity of the New Testament Fragments of Qumran - Anna’s Archive also Carsten Thiede but that is not online have to buy it if someone wants it.

Liberal Christians, what is your position on abortion?

In my profile it says I am a republican but that's only because I'm a single-issue voter when it comes to abortion. I believe there is no greater issue. I can understand the problems a Christian may have with Republicans based on immigration (problems that I myself have with the Republicans), but is it really worth siding with abortion enablers over? At least immigrants were allowed to be born!

"Trump Accounts"

Investment accounts for children

I'm not big on investment so my opinion doesn't mean much but I'm inclined to this that this would be a net benefit idea.

I really am unsure it would accomplish what it is planned to accomplish but it seems like a good idea.


People who understand this kinda stuff....thoughts?

Proper Progression

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (1Co 15:3, 4). This seems to have been the first truth preached by the Apostle Paul. It is plain that such a truth does not in itself clear us from the world, nor give us the realization of our union with Christ on high. It is something done for us (if we accept it—NC), and does not in itself reveal relationship, although it is marvelously suited to show the love of God, the measure being the gift of His Son.

There are multitudes of persons, to whom we should not deny the Christian name, who reach only to this state (going no further than just believing in Christ—NC). They would mourn over any teaching which did not embody the death of Christ as the only meritorious cause of their acceptance before God—a death to save the lost. Hence they would alike reject as valid the ritualism of the day—the pomp of symbolism, and the intellectual setting up of man, and, if they went so far, would insist of the doctrine of justification by faith alone.

With this class of persons, you will find it difficult to maintain a spiritual conversation. They can talk with real earnestness of the results of Christianity, but they cannot really talk of Christ Himself, since they only know of what He has done, rather than what He is in Himself. Such persons, alive to the necessity of a religious life, are more or less safe as to the properties of conduct.

It belongs to them to cultivate the arts and sciences, and to show a respectable, nay, even a religious hue over everything around them; for ignorant of “the sentence of death” in themselves (2Co 1:9), they must fill up life by embellishing “the old man”; in short, they would get the unrenewed—man out of his sinful ways by presenting a man’s own self to him under a more attractive guise. They are not deeply experienced in the ruin of man, but think that something good may yet be made out of it; and all this without at all meaning to deny Christ.

Now the next step, which ought to be known after the fact of Christ dying for our sins and rising again, is that we died with Him. This is unfolded in Romans 6:6: “our old man is crucified with Him.” To have died with the Lord Jesus is a different thing from Christ dying for us (He died for the world but He was not received by most—NC). A temptation arises, it may be some cast of the eye to which the flesh would give way; but I say I cannot entertain it because I am dead (temptation to a believer is not able to get him to desire to lust because of Phl 2:13—NC). People remain in this state for a long time. Their demeanor is, to a certain extent, doleful. They begin to understand the deeper aspects of Christianity, but they are not yet in the experience of the life that comes out of death.

The next stage is that I am not only dead with Christ but alive with Him from the dead—“If ye then be risen with Christ” (Col 3:1). When I only knew that I was dead, there was divine certainty that the old man was crucified by the death of Christ, but no joy. But to be alive with Christ from the dead not only gives me to see a Person—a glorious Object before me, with all His surroundings—but I learn to enjoy divine fellowship with Him there on high, “for your life is hidden with Christ in God” (Col 3:3).


—William Wigram (1872 – 1953)




MJS devotional excerpt for December 2

“The believer, having received ‘the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus,’ comes under the influence of the ‘law’ of that Spirit (Rom. 8:2). The operating principle of ‘the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus’ ever works in the direction of profound self-judgment, and of the consciousness that we have in the Lord Jesus not only righteousness, but a divine Source of satisfaction and strength.

“This ‘law’ operates not to give a sense of claim (law), but of divine gift (grace) and resource and support. And thus it makes the one in whom it operates free from ‘the law of sin and death.’ It gives the consciousness that divine goodness is an unfailing resource for our hearts, and that all the treasures of that goodness are stored up in Christ Jesus, that we may learn them there, and find the life of our spirits in the growing knowledge of Him.

—Charles Andrew Coates (1862-1945)



“‘The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus’ made me ‘free from the law of sin and death’ (Rom. 8:2)—not ‘the life,’ but ‘the Spirit of life,’—not our effort, but divine strength; not self-occupation, but occupation with Him in whom we are before the Father, and in whom the divine favor rests upon us full and constant, because on Him it rests.

“There is the substitution of the power of the Spirit for the power of a right will and human effort, the substitution therefore of occupation with the glorified Lord Jesus Christ for occupation with spiritual growth; for then and thus alone is growth obtained.”

—Frederick William Grant (1834-1902

Hey Everybody!

Hi, I don't know how often I'll be able to post on here but I wanted to be able try and see if there could be a discussion about how genuine Christianity fits into different media and if the media fails to why it does. I think it might be a good idea for people to hopefully find such discussions on the internet with honesty and clarity.
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Christian preacher arrested in UK after saying ‘God bless you’ to Gaza war protesters

A Christian preacher in the United Kingdom who was arrested for saying “God bless you” to protesters at a pro-Palestinian demonstration now plans to sue Wiltshire Police, arguing officers have repeatedly violated his freedom of speech.


Shaun O’Sullivan, who preaches at the Awaken church in Swindon and often speaks to homeless individuals and addicts on the streets, says police have a “vendetta” against him. He has been arrested 16 times, yet none of the charges have resulted in a conviction. A jury unanimously dismissed the most recent case in just 90 minutes, according to the Daily Mail.

The incident occurred after he said, “God bless you,” which reportedly offended Muslims at the march. He had previously been accused of harassment for saying, “Pray for the Jews and pray for the Palestinians.” After the most recent remark, a female officer told him the phrase could be a crime “if it causes distress” and said that “if that person was a Muslim,” they may be distressed.


Under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, a person commits an offense if they use “threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour…within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby."

Continued below.

Please pray for me I'm really sick

I've been sick for 21 years and am currently bedridden. I'm really bitter and battling hopelessness. Please pray for me because I'm really discouraged.
Here's a link to a ministry that mails out free gospel tracts, as many as you want, and free delivery too. Some are available in Spanish, Chinese, Polish, Portuguese, French, and Filipino.
ingrace.us/tracts

Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

White House says admiral approved second deadly boat strike

The White House on Monday confirmed a second strike in September had killed wounded civilians after the first effort failed, and put responsibility largely on the naval commander leading the mission.
Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said U.S. Special Operations Command head Adm. Frank Bradley was “within his authority and the law” in conducting the second strike on alleged drug traffickers in the Caribbean, after the force of the first strike tossed them from the boat.
I was listening to Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling last night. There are some here who may be currently in, or were in the military who can confirm this. Hertling was saying the code training literally uses as the example of shooting of survivors in the water as an illegal act. Not him but me, but I kind of remember soldiers of other nations being brought to trial and executed for those such acts. Feel free to correct me if I am misremembering.

Chat GPT is amazing for bible history, and Daniel 11:36-45

Ask chat GPT to explain Daniel 11 ending at Antiochus 4, and it will do a great job. There are plenty of human written websites explaining this part of Dan 11 also. Now ask chat GPT to give a list of all rulers of Judea including Roman ones from 164 BC (the death of Antiochus 4) until 70 AD. Now ask it which one fits Daniel 11:36-45 best. It can not find an answer although some days it might give one person, and another day gives a different person. It was trained on every single public domain text which is every single piece of ancient Greco Roman literature, Assyrian, Babylon, Persian etc archaeology, all different bible versions, the dead sea scrolls (ask it about all the ancient texts it was trained on) , and yet it can not figure out who that last person is, and neither can any real humans with certainty. Dan 11:36-45 mentions Edom (Edomites fought with Judeans 70 AD, got killed, and that was the end of Edom), Moab, and Ammon (ceased to exist even earlier by 63 BC) therefore Dan 11 had to end before 70 AD. Dan 11 was written to Israelites which was a people with a religion based in Judah centered around a temple which ceased to exist 30-70 AD another reason it had to end by 70 AD. There is a long list of different people it could be but I can never be sure who it is.
Chat GPT is great for finding language patterns in the bible. You can paste a verse into then ask it find every single other bible verse that sounds like this, and it will. If using it for Judean research with something like Josephus or other Greco Roman writers it can make up quotes a lot so always double check sources. I have learned a lot from it over the past few days. Can say to it what is the internal timeline of x book in the bible or what is the internal claim to authorship of books of the OT. When dealing with a text that is ignorantly labelled pseudepigrapha just say to it assume the text is historical, and happened then ask it questions.
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Trump Intervenes in Honduras Vote, Alleging Fraud Without Evidence

Honduras presidential and congressional elections were conducted this past Sunday.....

As of Monday afternoon, "Honduras was on edge after tallies showed two candidates separated by about 500 votes. Then President Trump claimed that officials were rigging results."


“Looks like Honduras is trying to change the results of their Presidential Election,” he wrote online on Monday night. “If they do, there will be hell to pay!”
His evidence? He said Honduran election officials had “abruptly stopped counting” at midnight the night before.

In reality, Honduras’s election agency had updated the results at about noon local time on Monday, roughly nine hours before Mr. Trump’s post. And the delay since then was expected.

That is because Honduras employs an electoral system that reports a first tranche of votes — transmitted from polling stations digitally — as preliminary results. Workers then verify all vote tallies by hand, and there is often a delay in between. It is difficult to send all tallies digitally because internet connections can be sparse and unstable in some parts of the country.





It wasn't enough to pardon the former narco President....now he wants to undermine Honduran elections.

Zeal for God's House

“The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, ‘Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.’ His disciples remembered that it was written, ‘Zeal for Your house will consume me.’” (John 2:13-17 NASB1995)

God’s house, prior to Jesus’ death on a cross and his bodily resurrection from the dead, was a physical temple (a physical building) built by human hands. In the temple, in the “Holy of Holies,” was the Ark of the Covenant, and it is where God’s presence dwelt. It was separated from the Holy Place by a curtain, and it was accessible only to the high priest who made yearly sacrifices for his own sins and for the sins of the people, as I understand.

But in Jesus’ death, that curtain was torn in two from top to bottom, symbolizing that the barrier between humans and God was removed, and now, by faith in Jesus Christ, we all can go directly into God’s presence, but not via a physical building called “church,” but via the Holy Spirit of God now living within us who are the church, the people of God, the body of Christ. Thus, God does not dwell in buildings built by human hands, but he dwells within us, by his Spirit, who have believed in Jesus to be our Lord.

So, God’s house today is the body of Christ, the people of faith in Jesus Christ. We are the church, his building, his temple, and we can meet together with other Christians anywhere appropriate for fellowship, prayer, teaching, discipleship, and for Christian ministry on any day of the week, at any time of day. And the meeting place doesn’t even have to be anywhere physical, for it can be via a phone call, or a text message, or an email, or on social media on the internet, or in the blogging world or on Christian forums.

Therefore, the church is not a building built by human hands, but it is us, the people of faith in Jesus Christ, wherever we gather. We are the temple of God, and his holy place now dwells within us. And when we gather together, it is to honor our Lord with our lives in doing what he has directed us that we must do together, as his body. And we are to gather together for mutual encouragement and edification, where each body part does its work as God assigned us our roles (body parts) within the universal body of Christ.

And our Lord is examining our lives individually, as well as collectively, and he is looking at what our gatherings are made of, and who is in charge of them, and what they are focused on to see if they align with his will and purpose for his body, his church. And he is seeing that many of these gatherings called “church” are not under his authority at all, but they are being led by marketing gurus who are training the “church” in how to attract the world to their gatherings, in place of being led by the Spirit of God.

And he is saying to the worldly church which has turned their gatherings into a marketplace to be marketed to the people of the world to “Take these things away” and “stop making My Father’s house a place of business.” And he is telling us all that we are not to turn our gatherings into places of businesses, and that we are not to partner with the ungodly of the world like so many are doing today under the name “church.” For so many have incorporated (merged, partnered) with the world to draw in large crowds.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

For if zeal for God’s house consumes us, this is not about loyalty and devotion to a building or to a business, but this is about us being passionate about sharing the truth of the gospel with the people of the world and caring for one another within the body of Christ to meet one another’s spiritual needs and any other needs that need to be met by us within the body of Christ. And it is about following our Lord in obedience to his commands in holy living, and it is about calling out the lies which we need to reject.

[Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:15-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20]

Zeal for Your House

Based off John 2:17; Psalms 69:9
An Original Work / August 1, 2016
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Zeal for Your house, it consumes me.
Lord, I love my times with You.
I love to worship You and sing Your praises.
Time in Your Word brings me closer to You,
List’ning to You speaking to me,
Gently guiding me in truth.

Lord, You are my life’s example,
Showing me how I should live.
I love to walk with You where’er You lead me.
No greater joy have I when serving You.
Loving, giving, resting in Your strength,
I’m yielding to Your will.

Zeal for Your house, it consumes me.
See the church turned upside down:
Marketing ventures taking place of worship,
Men of the gospel turning into clowns.
Gospel message made appealing,
So the world will feel at home.

Lord, we need a great revival.
Turn their hearts, Lord, back to You.
Open the blind eyes, turn them all from darkness,
Lord, to the light. May they return to You,
Turn from their sin, forsake idols,
Be restored to God again.

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An Original Work / December 2, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
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Hello Brothers and sisters

New to this forum. It will come in handy for the future if I have questions to ask or things on my mind or if I want to educate myself.

First off ( I will make another topic about this but I might as well ask here too) Can anyone help me with getting the bible on SD card or on something that I can listen to the Bible with head phones, MP3 player perhaps?

I'm useless when it comes to computers and gadgets so keep that in mind when dealing with me

Hello, beautiful people!

I am an Evangelical Christian looking to love the respectful, beautiful exchange of ideas here.
I heard nice things about this community. I have no expectations, I have no gripes. All I have is compassion for everyone.
And I thank yall, in advance, if yall plan to revere those things about me.

Does it matter what day Christ was crucified on?

So, I heard a theory that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, rather than Friday (as is commonly believed.) Therefore, he rose from the dead on Saturday (the Sabbath.)

Idk enough about this view to really either affirm or deny it, but is it a gospel issue?

Can a genuine Christian believe Jesus died on Wednesday, as long as he still agrees that he rose again three days later?

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