He who Scattered Israel, will Gather them

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It is not wise to speak against Israel.
I'm sorry but when did they become yet again repentant after the many many times they rebelled against the will of God, using the persecution of their punishments as an excuse to seek advantage. Israel will receive its reward when it no longer uses God but succumbs to His will, as must the rest of us.
 
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I'm sorry but when did they become yet again repentant after the many many times they rebelled against the will of God, using the persecution of their punishments as an excuse to seek advantage. Israel will receive its reward when it no longer uses God but succumbs to His will, as must the rest of us.
I'm sorry, but God is the original Zionist.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons of those who afflicted you shall come bending low to you, and all who despised you shall bow down at your feet; they shall call you the City of the Lord, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

It is not wise to get into the middle of a Lover's quarrel.
 
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It is not wise to get into the middle of a Lover's quarrel.
Possibly, but it is also not wise to confuse man's kingdoms with God's.
Question. Do you think in centuries or millennia to come, the events of today will be justified and added to the books?
 
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Possibly, but it is also not wise to confuse man's kingdoms with God's.
Question. Do you think in centuries or millennia to come, the events of today will be justified and added to the books?
All that has need to be said is within the Tanakh, the Catholic 73 and the Protestant 66.
 
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Possibly so but every time modern day Israel, which should actually be called Judah, hiccups, America likes to see it as a holy war rather than tribal warfare.
If you understood Islamic Eschatology, you wouldn't be saying that.
 
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Was this not going on long before Islam? Infighting between step-cousins let alone fellow brethren of the House of Israel they called gentiles.

Judges 8:21 Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, “Rise up yourself and fall on us; for as the man is, so is his strength.” Gideon arose and killed Zebah and Zalmunna, and took the crescent-shaped ornaments that were on their camels’ necks.

Isaiah 3: 18In that day the Lord will take away the finery of the anklets, the headbands, and the crescents;

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Ok, so no Islam born in 622 or thereabouts
Same god, different focus. All of Satan's eggs are in that basket. The stone of Ba'al is in the "Cube" that Muslim's make Hajj to. They all bow towards Mecca... where that Cube is. The name Beelzebub is associated with the Canaanite god Baal... Beelzebub means "Lord of the Flies", or the god of Death. (Hebrews 2:14 shows us who has the power of death, or fully had it before Christ's death.)
Heb 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise hpartook of the same things, that ithrough death he might jdestroy kthe one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

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Interesting enough, I can see that you and I share similar beliefs on a matter.
Its a much bigger picture than what today's Christianity has whittled it down to be, trying to make it about self rather than God and His will. Too much what is in it for us.
 
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Its a much bigger picture than what today's Christianity has whittled it down to be, trying to make it about self rather than God and His will. Too much what is in it for us.
People create oddities in times of fat. It is a normal matter. I do believe that our identity is ultimately found in Jesus.

All Love in His Name to you
 
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Do you know Islamic eschatology?
Yes.
I also know Bible Prophecy and the evil neighbours in the holy land will be uprooted and destroyed. Jeremiah 12:14
It is not wise to speak against Israel.
Do you really think those who call themselves Jews/Israelis, are God's chosen people?
I do not speak against the true faithful Israelites of God.

It seems I am rattling your cage, The cage of false beliefs and mis-interpretation of the Prophetic Word.
Rather than considering what I say as wrong because it contradicts your beliefs, you should carefully study the Prophesies I present, like Jeremiah 12:14, which tells us what the Lord intends to do about the situation in the Middle East; very soon!
 
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like Jeremiah 12:14, which tells us what the Lord intends to do about the situation in the Middle East; very soon!
Oddly enough... I remember a Jew in the OT that once said;
Exodus 32:32 32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”​
I seem to remember a Jew in the NT that once said:
Romans 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, 4 the people of Israel.​
I also remember a Jew that said;
Philippians 2:3 Do nothing out of rivalry or vanity; but, in humility, regard each other as better than yourselves —​
And... most of all, I remember a Jew of Jews that said:
Matthew 18:12 “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them gets lost, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountain and go in search of the one that is lost?​
I am a Jew by blood, of my Grandmother's decent, who fled Nazi Germany from a people who called themselves Christians, yet burned babies alive, bludgeoned seniors to death, raped young girls, Killed Fathers in front of their children, ran trains full of human cargo that ended at workcamps where the dying shoveled the ashes of their brethren and buried the bodies of their brethren... in the name of eradicating those "that killed Christ".

Daniel is Humble, Keras. That is why God chose Him to reveal the most sacred Prophecies ever given. Humility is the key, Keras. Let's visit your words and seek them for humility.

Yes, I also know Bible Prophecy and the evil neighbors in the holy land will be uprooted and destroyed. Jeremiah 12:14
I see a man that hangs his entire world on verses and intellect in this response. I don't see the markings of allowing scripture to flow from chapter to chapter as it so naturally and easily does. I see a God that uses a shepherd boy to slay a giant, to the shock and dismay of the strong. I see strong men that fall to the simple circles of blowing shofars.

Do you really think those who call themselves Jews/Israelis, are God's chosen people? I do not speak against the true faithful Israelites of God.
I think that Israel Divorced God, but God never stopped loving her. From Genesis to Revelation, the narrative of God having a painful on and off relationship with His Jewish Bride screams from the very pages... far beyond "Verses" that were never there, when the words were penned without chapter or verse.

I believe those that imagine themselves to be wise, are further from the genuine meaning of hidden things than fools that admit to themselves that they are fools.

It seems I am rattling your cage, The cage of false beliefs and mis-interpretation of the Prophetic Word.
It seems that you fancy yourself a scholar, worthy of praise and wiser than any other. I find an utter lack of MERCY in your words. I find an utter lack of knowledge that God uses the broken and hopeless things in this world to change the tides of war and move Mountains of civilizations.

Rather than considering what I say as wrong because it contradicts your beliefs you should carefully study the Prophesies I present

Had you been a man of mercy, I would have withheld my mind from you. Had you not called my Jewish brothers and sisters Satanic, I would have hidden my thoughts. But, my genuine thoughts are that you are a man that is so pleased with himself being right, that you forget God's greatest repeating statement within scripture.

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him.
If it gives your heart peace to believe that we are in some simple debate, that I desire to win... and you have won it... Please, announce your victory through the halls of this world. I desire no victory. I desire what Moses desired. I desire what Paul desired... and above all... I desire what YH-H desires with ALL of HIS HEART, MIND AND SOUL... not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

I believe that you are so engrossed in your own ideas of ideas within ideas that you don't see the PROPHETIC MIRICLE OF
Hosea 14:
4 “I will heal their waywardness
and love them freely,
for my anger has turned away from them.
5 I will be like the dew to Israel;
he will blossom like a lily.
Like a cedar of Lebanon
he will send down his roots;
As it is occurring before your very distracted eyes, mind and heart.... And I know that in my very Spirit, you will reject these words, go back to your mountain of speculations and continue to Rail Against The LAND OF GOD. I only pray that your pride doesn't land you face to face with the eager Groom, the woolen haired, fiery eyed Lion of Judah... that I believe will exonerate those that have lived in the midst of derision from many that were commissioned to Love the Unlovable, By the Israeli King that DIED FOR ALL of Creation. (Colossians 1:20)

Now you know my heart, on this matter.

- Grip
 
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It seems that you fancy yourself a scholar, worthy of praise and wiser than any other. I find an utter lack of MERCY in your words. I find an utter lack of knowledge that God uses the broken and hopeless things in this world to change the tides of war and move Mountains of civilizations.
The fact that you feel it necessary to make this kind of comment, show how far you are from the real truths of the Prophetic Word.
I promote the God of mercy , who is also the God of vengeance and wrath.
What we today are staring down the barrel of, is the multi Prophesied Day the Lord will bare His holy arm and change the world, commencing all the end time events as comprehensively Prophesied throughout the Bible.

I think that Israel Divorced God, but God never stopped loving her.
The Kingdom was taken from the Jews and it is never said they will get it back, Matthew 21:43. The Gospel of Salvation is now the prerogative of all the other peoples.
They cursed themselves and their children, Matthew 27:25
They will be punished and only a remnant of those Jews who are Christians now, will survive. Romans 9:27
If it gives your heart peace to believe that we are in some simple debate, that I desire to win... and you have won it.
Thanks, but our rewards will come from Jesus when He Returns. Matthew 16:27
I desire no victory. I desire what Moses desired. I desire what Paul desired... and above all... I desire what YH-H desires with ALL of HIS HEART, MIND AND SOUL... not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
Your desires are identical to mine.
 
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Isaiah 52:1-14 Awake; Awake, Zion, put on your strength! Jerusalem, holy city, put on your splendid garments, for the heathen and the ungodly will never again enter you. Arise, captive city – shake off the dust and undo your bonds, you captive daughter of Zion.

The Lord says: You were sold, but no price was paid and without payment you will be redeemed. My people were captives in Egypt, then in Assyria, but now what do I find? My people in exile and My Name reviled constantly. But on the Day that I save My people, they will know My Name and know that it is the Lord who speaks. Here I am!

Deliverance is announced, as the Lord bares His holy arm and makes His power seen by the whole world. The watchmen of Zion shout for joy amid the ruins of Jerusalem, for the Lord has comforted His people.


Go out, leave Babylon behind, keep pure, you that keep the sacraments of the Lord. But you will not flee in urgent haste or leave like fugitives, for the Lord will go before you and your rearguard will be Israel’s God. My servant will achieve success; He will be honoured and exalted. The time was when many despised My people, just as My servant is despised and rejected, but now they will see what they had never understood and their minds will be filled with things unheard of before. Ref: REB. Abridged.

‘My people – in Assyria’, This refers to the ten Northern tribes of Israel, now the Western, Christian Nations. But specifically: the Lord’s people are now every faithful Christian, from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10

‘The Lord bares His holy arm – His power seen by the whole world’, This will be the next action of the Lord on earth. It is the many prophesied Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal; a terrible judgement/punishment of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis that will devastate and depopulate the entire Middle East, Ezekiel 30:1-5, and will severely affect all the world.

‘My servant’, The Lord Jesus Christ. It is Jesus who instigates this disaster, as we are told in Luke 3:17. He will not be seen on that Day, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:3-6, and from the many graphic descriptions of this event, He will cause a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the suns surface of an unprecedented magnitude that will cause all the prophesied effects. Isaiah 30:25-30

‘The Lord saves His people’, Those faithful Christians, born again in Jesus, who keep His commandments, who trust in Him for their salvation and who heed the warnings to take shelter, will be protected on that Day. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

‘Go out of Babylon, but not as fugitives’, Babylon: a metaphor for the ungodly nations. The Lord’s people have wonderful promises of how they will be transported back into all of the holy Land, where they will live in peace and security. Psalms 107

‘What they never understood’, The Lord’s plans are impossible to know by any atheist or false religion follower, but also those who study God’s Word in the Bible, if they have failed to properly discern the prophetic scriptures and allowed themselves to be swayed by false doctrines and teachings.

 
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