SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[rturner76]

We are slowly winning this battle to protect kids from harm.

Or you are harming them with shame and condemnation. If we want to make sins into law, how much time should an adulterer get?

 

[Ana the Ist]

My comments have strictly addressed government deciding health care, which I am opposed to as a general principle.

Are you genuinely?

The FDA regularly evaluates and reevaluates the effectiveness of treatments all the time. I may disagree with them from time to time but I certainly don't want them to stop.

Any universal health-care system is going to be government imposed...by necessity. It's not something that I'm fully in support of but I do think we can do much better than we are now.

South Carolina's decision here isn't something that happened out of nowhere. Large scale meta studies done abroad have shown that the Affirmative Care model is based on extremely poor research that's far below the standards we would accept for children in any other medical circumstances. The organizations that have been pushing and promoting the Affirmative Care model have had their own whistleblowers, who have leaked both recorded conversations at WPATH as well as multiple internal documents showing that they have no idea what they're doing. They doubt that children or the parents who are giving consent to their treatment fully understand the permanent nature of these treatments and the lifelong downsides.

It may be difficult to accept that so many people who are supposed to be ethical professionals are wrong about these treatments....but you only need to look back at the eugenics movement to see a similar travesty happen. It's not as if a few medical scientists were wrong.....most medical scientists were wrong. They sterilized people who were perfectly healthy....and often against their will or knowledge. It may sound monstrous now....but go ahead and read what those people thought, and you'll see a bunch of moralizing that their actions were for the good of not only their society but all mankind.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Or you are harming them with shame and condemnation.

Harming? Please stop pretending to be against harm if it means silencing those who disagree. That's not a position against harm....it's just censorship wearing a mask of morality.

 

[rturner76]

Harming? Please stop pretending to be against harm if it means silencing those who disagree. That's not a position against harm....it's just censorship wearing a mask of morality.

So is the person who hates the concept of transgender experiencing harm or are they just angry that they aren't able to legislate their personal brand of morality to the rest of the population? Why would it be harmful to accept people for who they are? As an atheist, do you want to live under laws created by the church? Perhaps it's better to have secular laws or no?

 

[Ceallaigh]

Or you are harming them with shame and condemnation. If we want to make sins into law, how much time should an adulterer get?

The child protection law is keeping children from being experimented on.

 

[rturner76]

The child protection law is keeping children from being experimented on.

Who's experimenting?

 

[Ceallaigh]

Who's experimenting?

There's an unknown outcome in pumping puberty blockers into and or surgically altering children. Thus doing so is experimental in nature ie experimenting on children. You can completely remove politics and religion as factors, and it still stands firmly on it's own as something that shouldn't be done to kids.

 

[Laodicean60]

What's wrong with the correct term for the stage of development they're at? It might avoid causing confusion.

-- A2SG, unless that's the point....

I don't care about the stages and technical terms because in the end, it's a baby a living breathing human being. No confusion here. I was told to stay on topic so this is my last post on the issue.

 

[Belk]

Parental rights have ALWAYS ended when harm.is being done to their child. And in this case we have discovered by the practitioners that even the parents don't understand. You really need to brush up.

Parents have been duped as much as you have been. Maybe even worse. Because they trust the professionals. They just want their child to be better, but have no clue what they are getting into. That's why someone from the outside needs to step in and say we are not going to harm the kids. Because the so called professionals aren't doing it. Well at least some aren't. There is a growing number now who.are starting to.speak out and their voices are being heard.

Yup. Nothing like rank amateurs to tell us what's what. Who needs experts when we have the people who have opposed LGBTQ to rights every step of the way to tell us, yet again, how they know more then everyone else.

 

[Pommer]

“Yes, your brain may be ‘defective’ because it’s convinced that the body it’s housed in has ‘the wrong parts’, but there’s good news!, the treatments will be widely available once you turn eighteen!, until then look in the mirror and try to feel more ‘at home’ in your body!”
What mercy is that?

 

[RileyG]

What's wrong with the correct term for the stage of development they're at? It might avoid causing confusion.

-- A2SG, unless that's the point....

It's no confusion. A human is a human is a human. All deserve rights and protection.

 

[RileyG]

“Yes, your brain may be ‘defective’ because it’s convinced that the body it’s housed in has ‘the wrong parts’, but there’s good news!, the treatments will be widely available once you turn eighteen!, until then look in the mirror and try to feel more ‘at home’ in your body!”
What mercy is that?

Children are impressionable. They are easily manipulated. Having life-altering surgery very early in life is cruel because teens often go through different phases. It's that simple. No, a boy is not a girl, and a girl is not a boy. it must be further researched.

 

[RileyG]

Or you are harming them with shame and condemnation. If we want to make sins into law, how much time should an adulterer get?

What harm? Taking a life-altering procedure should not occur until adulthood. Your brain is not fully mature until 25. You go through many, many changes until then. I think, in my opinion, a lot of those who say they are transgender were lied to or manipulated into saying it. It breaks my heart that adults are willing to harm minors all in the name of "progress."

 

[RileyG]

But somehow cutting off someone's penis is OK. Bizzarre.

I cannot think of a single male "trans" or otherwise, that would be ok with that. That's beyond cruel. Should be illegal.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Yup. Nothing like rank amateurs to tell us what's what. Who needs experts when we have the people who have opposed LGBTQ to rights every step of the way to tell us, yet again, how they know more then everyone else.

The experts amputate the healthy limbs of adults with body dysphoria. Should the law allow them to amputate the healthy limbs of children?

The answer to that regarding those arguing against the law, is yes. The law should allow the experts to amputate the healthy limbs of children who have body dysphoria.

 

[rturner76]

There's an unknown outcome in pumping puberty blockers into and or surgically altering children. Thus doing so is experimental in nature ie experimenting on children. You can completely remove politics and religion as factors, and it still stands firmly on it's own as something that shouldn't be done to kids.

Every drug and procedure has to have a beginning. If the results are positive, they do it more and more. If it is not doing what was predicted, they do it less and less. I'm not averse to letting puberty kids take hormones but I do think one should be 18 before surgical intervention.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Every drug and procedure has to have a beginning. If the results are positive, they do it more and more. If it is not doing what was predicted, they do it less and less. I'm not averse to letting puberty kids take hormones but I do think one should be 18 before surgical intervention.

Adults agree to be experimented on all the time when they become part of a drug testing trial. Should children be allowed to participate in drug trials as well?

You and others are campaigning to have child protection laws removed. And probably for purely political reasons.

 

[rturner76]

What harm?

That's kind of my question......How does it harm people who think transgenderism should be outlawed but the same church would allow a 13 year old to be married to an old man, how can they claim moral superiority?

Your brain is not fully mature until 25. You go through many, many changes until then.

Not fully mature, I agree. Still, from what I have read and the documentaries

 

[RileyG]

That's kind of my question......How does it harm people who think transgenderism should be outlawed but the same church would allow a 13 year old to be married to an old man, how can they claim moral superiority?

Not fully mature, I agree. Still, from what I have read and the documentaries

#1. The Church does not teach that. Good grief
#2. ok?

 

[rjs330]

I don't know how much informed I can be than that. I have already staked out my position here opposing gender affirming care for adolescents. My comments have strictly addressed government deciding health care,

If you are informed and opposed to it then you know all the reasons why. And you should then understand why government has to step in when the field can't or refuses to police itself and protect the kids. If they don't or won't, and they are the ones who are supposed to, then somebody has to do it. I guess that's the government who have been elected by the people.