SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[rjs330]

For me, it's not as much about agreeing or disagreeing with a particular political; party, it's more about obtaining the proper healthcare.

Me neither, more things we have in common. I don't care if it's the Republicans, Democrats, the Green Party or Grandma's Party. All I care about in relation to this thread is that kids are not transitioned and that Affirmative Therapy and drugs are banned from kids. I don't care who does it. A child does not have the wisdom, capacity, understanding or brain function to make those kinds of decisions with or without parental consent. And as we saw in the WPATH files the parents had no clue either.

think transgender people want to feel like they are "normal" and they are normal in that the value of their lives is no less than anybody else. All we really have to go on is what the patient says and does related to coping with the way they feel. What I am talking about is how to get gender dysphoria treated under the already established guidelines AND have insurance pay for it. People still have the option of hiring a plastic surgeon for elective surgery. I honestly don't know how or who prescribes hormones leading up to and after going under the knife but if you have enough cash, I'm pretty sure they can purchase the treatment of their choice.

Of course they want to feel.normal. or at least some do. I think there's a lot of sexual fetishism involved as well. But for those who honestly think they should be the opposite sex, I'm sure they do want to feel.normal. Just like ANYONE with a mental health issue. People with anxiety, depression, or are bi-polar want to feel normal. But they also realize they are not. They would live not to have those issues. Transgender people are not normal either. They have an illness. And just like rhe rest of the people.with mental health issues it's not up to us to alter society to make them.feel normal. There's nothing I can do to not make a person who.is bi-polar feel normal. I shouldn't be participating in their mental health problem. Same goes for the anorexic. Or the paranoid schizophrenic.

The established guidelines are bunk. A d yes if you have enough cash you can purchase just about anything. What kids need is therapy. Not Affirmative Therapy no matter who.pays for it. Not for children. Now if an insurance company wants to cover someone's transformation, then who.am I to stop them. They are a private entity. They can pay for whatever they want. But it should be outlawed for kids.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Because it is if you want your insurance to pay for it.

According to Obamacare...Trans medicine is covered.

Movement Advancement Project | Health Care / Medicaid Coverage of Transgender-Related Care

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www.lgbtmap.org

Medicaid covers it unless it's explicitly stated in some policy or law that it isn't.

Update on Medicaid Coverage of Gender-Affirming Health Services | KFF

This brief presents findings on states’ coverage of gender-affirming health services under Medicaid as of July 2021.

www.kff.org

It's very easy to look up.

No....it's not a mental disorder if insurance has to pay for it.

Except the DSM-5 which clearly states the criteria and the Psychiatric community that accepts these standards across the USA.exepts

Go ahead and quote "transgender" in the DSM-5.

It's not even in there.

"Transgender" isn't a disorder, it's a label for a person who suffers from gender dysphoria.

No....it's not, and that's not how the DSM-5 describes gender dysphoria.

 

[rturner76]

What kids need is therapy. Not Affirmative Therapy no matter who.pays for it.

I was totally with you until here. From the small amount of research I have done about the goals of affirmative action, they are focused on treating gender dysphoria specifically by assuming that their thoughts and feelings are valid as opposed to putting them in a treatment that teaches them to deny or ignore those thoughts and feelings by convincing people that they don't actually feel what they feel but they have either been influenced by the devil, the need to keep a stiff upper lip and use willpower to convince themselves that they don't feel what they feel.

They have found that treatment that acknowledges their thoughts and feelings are more effective in the treatment of gender dysphoria. During this process, those thoughts and feelings can be examined to determine the best treatment options, There are extremists in every "school of thought" but IMO Affirmative Action seems to be the best route considering they will then be working on thoughts, feelings, and actions rather than the best way to deny those thoughts and feelings or teach them to feel shame for their thoughts. That method has had many more negative outcomes. We all know that when we deny our feelings, they grow stronger over time, and the denial/shame increases. Dealing openly and honestly with people's thoughts and feelings I believe will obtain the most favorable outcomes. By examining a patients feelings they can explore things like what is motivating this desire of change. If it's something as simple as they like women's fashion and they way they are treated in society, it may be possible for them to do the minimum like go out on weekends as a woman.

Having said all of that, I am not a trained counselor in this field so I don't know what the criteria is to get medication. It may only be allowed in the most severe cases. AA I don't believe encourages medical professionals to push through medication or surgery until it is determined that it is the best option for the patients sanity. I don't know what the standards are but if they want insurance to pay for it, they will have to dig deep in therapy until the Dr. feels it is the best or only option left. It's not equal to Drs' being given licence to prescribe meds and refer people to surgery.

They are a private entity. They can pay for whatever they want. But it should be outlawed for kids.

Treatment should be outlawed for kids or just prescriptions and/or surgery?

 

[rturner76]

According to Obamacare...Trans medicine is covered.

I never said it wasn't. They cover the treatment of gender dysphoria. You still can't walk into a surgery with Obamacare and get a gender-altering surgery. You have to go through all of the steps which include a doctors recommendation or referral. Even for physical injuries, unless you go to the E/R, your doctor must refer you to an orthopedic doctor or a knee doctor or whatever. You are evaluated there and they begin treatment. That may include physical therapy and medication or it might include surgery them physical therapy. It depends on the treatment plan. Either way if the specialist is not a surgeon, they will refer you to a surgeon. Same with mental health. Have an intake, do an evaluation, have a doctor and or therapist recommended, put together a treatment plan.

It's very easy to look up.

No....it's not a mental disorder if insurance has to pay for it.

Why would medical insurance pay for something that wasn't related to medical care? I think that's the third time I've asked that question.

Go ahead and quote "transgender" in the DSM-5.

It's not even in there.

It's not listed as a transgender disorder. Transgender is a noun that indicated that the person has changed gender. You need to look for "gender dysphoria" as I keep telling you. That is the illness. Changing gender (becoming a transgender person) is one of many ways to treat gender dysphoria.

This usually doesn't happen with you but I think you may be letting your personal morals dictate to you what is and is not a fact.

No....it's not, and that's not how the DSM-5 describes gender dysphoria.

So what are you confused about? I have already stated numerous times that gender dysphoria is the disorder. Gender reassignment surgery is one treatment for gender dysphoria. Of course, you can't find "transgender" in the DSM-5. Because like I have said numerous times, transgender is not the illness, gender dysphoria is.

I'm sure you are capable of learning new information. Do you wish to apply it or ignore it and consider your opinion fact?