Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

xianghua said:

prove it. show us how we can falsify evolution.

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This has been explained yo you numerous times. Why persist?

But the ToE is incredibly robust and well-supported and I think the chance of it actually being disproven is nil.

Speedwell said:

Who, then, ripped what I presented to shreds?

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It's exactly as I said, *I* didn't...and your quotes do nothing but verify that, so please stop claiming I said I did. Who did? Go look for your self, if you don't see it, oh well, I honestly don't expect you to see it or admit it....that's not the type thing you do. for you/many of you actually, it always becomes the fault of someone else.

You can keep going on here, attempting to save face, finding something else to blame on others in order to make yourself self feel better about what happened, and afterward blaming me and stomping off angrily, but that's not going to make it go away. Sorry, but that's just the reality.

If you want to keep drawing attention to it fine, won't be the first time I've seen this happen here. I told you what I felt happened, if you disagree, just say so, won't change a thing for me.

Tell you what...Speedy won the day and proved evolution with his brilliant presentation (or whatever he chooses to call his efforts) that no one could refute.

Speedwell said:

Actually, I feel sorry for Christians like Kenny, putting their their faith in Christ unnecessarily at risk by tying it to a dubious interpretation of Genesis. It must be very hard for them.

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Last time I asked you how you interpret Genesis to so much as suggest evolution, you didn't answer.

Just a personal opinion, I don't think any one who chooses evolution over God just doing it then and there, has a bit of room to, well say whatever that is you conjured up there, still trying to figure out how someone risks their Christianity by believing the bible.LOL

VirOptimus said:

Cop out? From what?

As you clearly are wholly ignorant about even the very basics of science (and theology) there is no point in debating you until you have educated yourself.

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I guess you weren't paying attention to the post you replied to.

Kenny'sID said:

It's exactly as I said, *I* didn't...and your quotes do nothing but verify that, so please stop claiming I said I did. Who did? Go look for your self, if you don't see it, oh well, I honestly don't expect you to see it or admit it....that's not the type thing you do. for you/many of you actually, it always becomes the fault of someone else.

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I'm sorry if I misattributed that, but no one else, so far as I was aware, was criticizing my efforts.

You can keep going on here, attempting to save face, finding something else to blame on others in order to make yourself self feel better about what happened, and afterward blaming me and stomping off angrily, but that's not going to make it go away. Sorry, but that's just the reality.

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Who have I blamed?

If you want to keep drawing attention to it fine, won't be the first time I've seen this happen here. I told you what I felt happened, if you disagree, just say so, won't change a thing for me.

Tell you what...Speedy won the day and proved evolution with his brilliant presentation (or whatever he chooses to call his efforts) that no one could refute.

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But I haven't proven evolution, haven't even gotten close. I haven't even presented any evidence yet, as I haven't finished explaining what the theory says so I could present evidence.

xianghua said:

i just saying that we cant prove that a banana and a cat share a common descent. this is a belief.

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A belief and an assumption...what the whole thing is based on.

xianghua said:

2) evolution isnt scientific since we cant test it.

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They'll come up with a new rule that says it doesn't have to be testable, only what *they* claim needs to be testable needs to be testable, and that will be decided when the convenience is needed.

Speedwell said:

Who have I blamed?

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You have got to be kidding.

Speedwell said:

But I haven't proven evolution, haven't even gotten close. I haven't even presented any evidence yet, as I haven't finished explaining what the theory says so I could present evidence.

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thank you.

VirOptimus said:

But the ToE is incredibly robust and well-supported and I think the chance of it actually being disproven is nil.

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Yep, pretty much nil..who even tries to prove the unproven.

Kenny'sID said:

I guess you weren't paying attention to the post you replied to.

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I was and no I didnt ”cop out” of anything.

Kenny'sID said:

Yep, pretty much nil..who even tries to prove the unproven.

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What on earth are you blathering about?

VirOptimus said:

What on earth are you blathering about?

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So if it's not an inability to pay attention, what is it that would cause you not to understand even the simplest of comments?

xianghua said:

i just saying that we cant prove that a banana and a cat share a common descent. this is a belief.

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Outside of maths and logic, we can't prove anything.

What science does is collect data, create hypotheses that explain that data, test the predictions of the hypotheses, collect more data, refine the hypotheses, and so on.

The evidence that bananas and cats share common descent is not just a belief. It is a very, very, well supported scientific hypotheses that has been put through rigorous testing and has emerged with flying colours. Such that it can no longer be reasonably denied.

If you feel that the evidence for common descent of all life on earth is insufficient, then could you please explain why it is insufficient. In a way that shows that you do actually know what this evidence is and that you understand it. (See, e.g., 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent) If you don't demonstrate that you know and understand your evidence, then your objections are meaningless.

2) evolution isnt scientific since we cant test it.

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This is completely wrong. Evolution can and has been tested, and continues to be tested. The strongest test that the theory of evolution has been put to has been the genetic and biochemical knowledge that we have gained after the theory of evolution was first created. We can use this information to make other predictions that can be tested. E.g. the time when various common ancestors would have lived, that we can then search for (and find!) in rocks as fossils. The theory of evolution can be tested, and often is, by computer modelling to show that the consequences of the theory are what they should be. And on and on.

In this very forum, PsychoSarah is doing an experiment to show that a population of triops, undergoing selection pressure, can change over time. That's evolution being tested right there.

What scientific theory can you name that has been tested more than evolution, and can you explain why it has been tested more than evolution?

xianghua said:

prove it. show us how we can falsify evolution.

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If we start discovering rocks from the Permian that contain rabbit fossils, and then find large numbers of out of order fossils, then evolution would be falsified.

If the genetic code of living things had not been compatible with evolution, then that would have falsified evolution.

If we noticed that new creatures started appearing out of nowhere with no ancestors, then this would be strong evidence against evolution being the explanation for all living things. So, that would partially falsify evolution.

One of the difficulties of falsifying evolution from this point on is that many of the experiments/tests that could falsify it have already been done. E.g. the genetic testing, really extensive investigation of fossils and the rocks they are found in, and evolution is supported by all of these. But, that doesn't stop the theory being falsifiable. It just means that it hasn't been falsified.

Note: I predict that you will have no valid retort to this, but you will simply go on claiming that evolution cannot be falsified.

Kenny'sID said:

You have got to be kidding.

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No. I'm not kidding.

thank you.

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You're welcome, I'm sure. I'm just sorry you didn't want me to finish.

Kenny'sID said:

So if it's not an inability to pay attention, what is it that would cause you not to understand even the simplest of comments?

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I’m not trying to prove anything. Its you who talk about ”proof” without understanding anything about science.

The ToE is a description of how physical reality works (like all science). Not accepting science is a stupid thing as that is not accepting physical reality.

AnotherAtheist said:

Outside of maths and logic, we can't prove anything.

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I know.

Kenny'sID said:

I know.

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Yes, that's right; we can only provide confirming evidence. Too bad you don't want to know what it is.

Speedwell said:

No. I'm not kidding.



You're welcome, I'm sure. I'm just sorry you didn't want me to finish.

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There's your example of blame, (didn't take long for that to show up )even though that never happened. You, and you alone chose to walk away.

Besides didn't I already tell you to try again if you like, there was your chance right there. So you accuse of not "wanting' you to finish, yet there are two instances that refute that right off, 1 I never stopped you to begin with, 2, I gave you the opportunity to try again. It's all right there in black and white yet you insist on doing this to yourself.

Oh, and then after all that, you pretend you have blamed no one?

Bizarre.

VirOptimus said:

I’m not trying to prove anything. Its you who talk about ”proof” without understanding anything about science.

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I know.

Speedwell said:

Too bad you don't want to know what it is.

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Too bad you cannot prove it, you admit it, I admit it, yet you go on. Didn't I already cover the fact this was useless. I'm sure I went out of my way make it as clear as I possibly could.

Kenny'sID said:

Too bad you cannot prove it, you admit it, I admit it, yet you go on. Didn't I already cover the fact this was useless. I'm sure I went out of my way make it as clear as I possibly could.

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That's fine with me. As long as you don't try to push your peculiar ideas about the Bible into the public schools, I have no issue with it.