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No, things not subject to biological evolution, don't evolve.how it has any connection to ic systems? lets go with you criteria. say that we have a s elf replicating car. do you think that such a car can evolve a gps step by step?
sure. lets take a compass for instance:
(image from wiki)
a compass is very similar to a watch and share several parts with it. very similar to the case of the ttss and the flagellum. but if we want to change this compass (even by a designer that can change anything he want- like mutations) into a watch we will be unable to do that, since you will need at least several new changes at once to do that. by the way: as a general note english isnt my native so i may not understand some words here and there in general.
But you need fewer changes to take a finger from a compass and to move it to a watch, than you do going from nothing straight to a watch.
But the reality is that, if you reduce say...the fingers of a watch, those fingers can still have a beneficial function for a system (they can serve as fingers in a compass
And thats all im going to say on this topic, at least in regards to conversation with you (i will go ahead and put you back on the ignore list)
it doesnt have any connection to the question if they are living or not.
i asking if a designer can do that. you can think even about a living car if you want (with a s elf replicating system).
so you basically admit that you cant falsify this argument?
t's not personal opinion, it's supportable, evidence based fact.
And where exactly is that happening? Certainly not in the scientific community.
Nice try moving the goal posts, so let's put them back where they came from:Good. That means that you can explain the magic necessary to place God's superior intelligence into beings which descended from Apes. You CANNOT since the only way to change one's intelligence is to INHERIT it from another Human. I challenge you to identify another way for mindless Nature to give Humans the superior intelligence we obviously have. Let's see the evidence.
I predict that you will wave your arms, tell me that I don't know anything, BUT you will not and cannot identify the process of obtaining Human intelligence APART from the sexual process. So go ahead and try. I'm waiting, but I won't hold my breath. That is NOT goading but instead, is demonstrating your willful ignorance of how and when we changed into modern Humans. Failure to reply will be evidence enough.
but in this case they are since they can reproduce.
Well there is certainly nothing you said thats worth replying to, except the ignorance you displayed of NeoDarwinism dying a slow death at last.
This shows you are not up to date on scientific literature, did you not see who won the Nobel prize for chemistry and why they won it?
Yeah ok ill help update you:
https://evolutionnews.org/2018/10/behes-irreducible-complexity-validated-by-chemistry-nobel/
excerpt:
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My Discovery Institute colleagues and I have observed that the recent Nobel Prize in chemistry, awarded to Drs. Frances H. Arnold, George P. Smith, and Gregory P. Winter for the ingenious engineering of biomolecules, rewards research that is crucially dependent on the inference to design in biochemistry and to intelligent design as a method of science. The Nobel laureates (implicitly or explicitly) inferred design in cellular structure and function and used random genetic variation of molecules to design highly effective biomolecules. It’s beautiful bioengineering — using random variation in biomolecules to design better molecules. It’s beautiful work in intelligent design science.
Predictably, Darwinists are aghast. Professor Jerry Coyne is exasperated: “I have no words,” he says.'
Loved that.
An apriori stance of methodological naturalism is biased to a particular world view and, as such, is non scientific. For too long now, this dogmatic agenda has roadblocked advances in science.
Science needs to be allowed to take its course. Especially when it comes to ID.
When archaeologists discovered the Rosetta Stone, they didn't marvel at how the wind and erosion managed to leave complex information behind on the stone, they inferred an intelligence behind it. Anywhere you see information, you infer intelligence. not chance. Why is this difficult to comprehend? Nowhere do you see information being generated by a blind, mindless and unguided process, especially complex information.
it is difficult to comprehend only for people who are pursuing something other than science: their own agendas. The reason i know that, well they don't give ID the time of day.
if you for some reason thought that religion was antithetical to science, then all you need do is reflect on the Giants of science, they were all religious (Boyle, Newton, Kepler, Galilei, Pascal etc...). And look at all the Nobel prize winners over the last 100 years, including this year, most of them believe in the God of the Old Testament. So there is nothing to worry about, science is in good hands
Well there is certainly nothing you said thats worth replying to, except the ignorance you displayed of NeoDarwinism dying a slow death at last.
This shows you are not up to date on scientific literature, did you not see who won the Nobel prize for chemistry and why they won it?
Yeah ok ill help update you:
https://evolutionnews.org/2018/10/behes-irreducible-complexity-validated-by-chemistry-nobel/
Predictably, Darwinists are aghast. Professor Jerry Coyne is exasperated: “I have no words,” he says.'
Loved that.
No, that's not what you asked. This is your post:it doesnt have any connection to the question if they are living or not. i asking if a designer can do that.
ok but many biological systems suppose to evolve step by step. so i bring the gps analogy. do you think that a gps can evolve by mixing existing parts in a car?
There is no such thing.... you can think even about a living car if you want (with a s elf replicating system).
It doesn't precisely answer your question, but you might find this video instructive:... i gave you the watch-compass example. can you change a compass into a watch stepwise?
Nice try moving the goal posts, so let's put them back where they came from:
Your claim: "Their kind" and "His kind" are eternal and mortal.
My claim: "Their" and "His" are not in the original Hebrew so you're making things up.
I have demonstrated my claim, with evidence. Others have backed me up. You have been refuted. You have lied amd twisted and done everything possible to deny this fact. 2 things you have never done:
1. Support your claim with anything other than personal opinion.
2. Admit you're wrong.
This childish petulance is tiresome. I'm ready when you want to have an adult, honest conversation. In the meantime I'll just leave your dishonest, dissembling, unsupported posts for all to see.Aman:>>BUT you will not and cannot identify the process of obtaining Human intelligence APART from the sexual process. So go ahead and try.
Thanks for admitting that you cannot identify ANY process which imparts increased intelligence to animals. Thanks for not calling me names.
Is there a difference between Elohim and YHWH? The Holy Spirit leads us into ALL Truth, Jesus says. Looks like He hasn't allowed you to understand. Don't feel bad since it's the same way with all unbelievers. 1Co 2:14 What it shows is that you have no idea what Genesis is saying.
Your bluster is great and terribly misplaced. Where's the evidence I asked for and you dodged while falsely accusing me of moving the goal posts? In order to refute me, you MUST also refute (prove wrong) God the Holy Spirit. Careful though since you will be judged by His Holy Word. Jhn 12:48
What "ic systems"? None have been shown to exist and all of the examples that I know of cited in the past turned out not to be irreducibly complex.how it has any connection to ic systems? lets go with you criteria. say that we have a s elf replicating car. do you think that such a car can evolve a gps step by step?
This childish petulance is tiresome.
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