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Hey!
As I'm a very curious girl, I just wanted to know how is the school in your countries or states! I heard that in the USA it works with grades? Am I right? Do you like this? And for the others non-americans same questions!

I explain my own schooling's system:
You start school (if you want) at the age of 2 or 3. This is called "maternelle" (translated infant school). At the age of 6, you MUST go to the primary school where you learn to read, write and count. When you're around 11, you go to the college where everybody learn the same things (quite boring in fact). Then you enter the high-school for 3 years and in the second year, you can FINALLY choose your own speciality. You finish your schooling at the age of 18 and then you become a student.

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Here in the US we do get a grade in our classes to see how we're doing. I live in North Carolina and they just changed the grading scale from 7 points to 10 points. So basically, what used to be a B is now an A, C a B and so on. It helps a lot with our averages and I know many people like the new grading scale now.

As for the system here, it's basically the same thing. You start at around age 5 to go to elementary school where you start kindergarten. Elementary school lasts for about 6 years (including kindergarten), then you move on to middle school around age 12 and that lasts for 3 years. Finally, you start high school at around age 15 and that lasts for 4 years. After you completed all those, you can choose whether or not to go to a community college or university or not go to college at all.
 
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for curiosity. It can be a tremendously beneficial trait.

The basic structure of education in the United States is similar to France's, but there are some notable differences.

Preschool:
It can encompass a wide age range from 15 months up to age six, but is most common for children ages 2 to 5. A special year of preparation prior to kindergarten is often called Pre-K, and is usually for kids who are 4 or 5, depending on when their birthday falls during the calendar year. Preschool differs from daycare in that it offers more structured education specifically designed for that age group, and to prepare them for entering school.

Though many educators and pediatricians view preschool as integral, it's not free for all children in the majority of areas and can be financially unfeasible for some families. It's not compulsory. There is a federally funded Pre-K program called Head Start that is free, but from my understanding there are limited spaces available for it and it's not offered throughout the country. Many families do see the value of a quality preschool that can instill valuable social and learning skills, but the tuition can be quite steep. Some will try to provide some of the same educational benefit at home and with small groups they form with neighbors. Churches, synagogues, and other religious-based organizations often offer more affordable preschools, and many are open to the general public rather than exclusively for families who attend that congregation. I went to preschool when we lived in Germany, and to find one with a comparable level of education for my sisters my parents had to shell out quite a bit in tuition.

Elementary school: Generally comprises ages 5 / 6 to 10 /11
I believe mandatory education begins at age six. The birthdate cutoffs for entering kindergarten or first grade vary state-to-state and from public and private schools, but most commonly it's September 1. Many schools have now lowered it to August 1. This means that if the child's 5th birthday is after September 1 (or whatever the cutoff date might be) he or she will have to wait until the following year to begin school. Some are very rigid about enforcing the birthdate cutoffs, and some offer considerable flexibility.

Kindergarten: Ages 5-6
1st grade: 6-7
2nd grade: 7-8
3rd grade: 8-9
4th grade: 9-10
5th grade: 10-11

Middle school (also known as Junior High sometimes):
6th grade: 11-12
7th grade: 12-13
8th grade: 13-14

High school:
9th grade - Also known as freshman year: 13-14
10th grade - Also known as sophomore year: 14-15
11th grade - Also known as junior year: 16-17
12th grade - Also known as senior year: 17-18

Many larger public schools do offer a diversity of classes and a range of difficulty, so students can begin to tailor their education a bit more according to their interests and aptitude. Still, it tends to be broader and more general in nature rather than specifically as preparation for certain university studies and vocations. There are magnet schools that are for certain interests such as STEM or the Arts, but they are generally only in larger cities.

The overwhelming majority of American kids go to public schools, but approximately 10% go to private schools and a smaller number are homeschooled. The different types of schools are: public (free for children living in the school's district), parochial (religious school that generally charges a tuition, but one that is often lower than independent private school), independent private schools (not affiliated with any religion; fee-charging; the cost can range from $10,000 a year to $45,000 a year for elite schools in major cities), charter and magnet schools (public schools that have specialized education). There are also coed and single-gender private and parochial schools. There are a few single-gender public charter schools. Sometimes a private school that is for pre-school through grades 6 will be called a primary school, and a school that is for grades 6 or 7 through 12 is a secondary school.

Most kids graduate from high school at age 18, though some are younger and some are a little older. After high school most will go on to college, though some will choose a vocational school or simply begin to work instead.

The words college and university are often used interchangeably, but there's actually a distinction between the two. A college is for undergraduate education, whereas a university is one that includes undergraduate and graduate education. There are public universities that provide reduced tuition for residents of the state they are located in because of the funding that is received from taxpayers in the state. It's still very expensive in comparison to comparable universities in other countries. Many students will attend community colleges for their freshman and sophomore (first two years) that are significantly less expensive, and then will transfer to a four-year university. Liberal art colleges are usually private four-year private schools that only offer undergraduate education, and perhaps a few graduate programs. Private universities usually offer undergraduate and graduate education, and charge the same tuition fees for all students rather than having different fees for in-state and out-of-state students.

Hope this is helpful and hasn't fatigued your eyes, haha. I'm a speed typer.
 
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What specialities can you choose from? I just read your post in your thread about what we're doing next year. So is it a high school you're applying for in Paris, or a university, or vocational school? I hope you get in either way! I am just kind of clueless about how things work in France, lol. I'm an American but I live in Canada now. I know about schooling here & in the US. I know a little about Europe bc we go there a lot but there's still a lot more to it that I haven't learned about yet.
 
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Well, first lesson about European schooling: they are very different from a country to another, as the European mentalities do. So you will have A LOT to learn! It would be a great mistake to think there is one big European system, when they mostly do not have a lot in common!

Yes, I apply a high school, however not the high school in itself, but a classe préparatoire aux grandes écoles (classe prépa or prépa) in order to integrate a grande école (a great school for elitist studies). The classes prépas are a French specificity. Not an university and not a vocational school indeed.
Wikipedia explains it very well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_préparatoire_aux_grandes_écoles
The one I want to do is a special one (only three on the world). The teachings are mostly Latin, medieval and modern History. The best and most famous of the three is at Henri IV's high school in Paris, the one I'm applying.

For the specialities, we have a lot of different types of high school called "baccalauréat professionel" or "baccalauréat technologique" (vocational formations).
However, the most common way is the "baccalauréat général" (what I do) for studies. The bac général is divided into three specialities: bac S (Scientific), bac ES (Economic & Social), bac L (Literature). Mine is the bac L: it means 8 hours of Philosophy per week, 2h of Literature, 8 to 10 hours of languages classes, 1h30 of Literature in a foreign language, 4 hours of History/Geography, 2 hours of Sport, 4 hours of written test(s) and for these who want 3h of Latin, 2h of Greek and 2h of Art History.

I hope it helped you
 
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Thanks! That was a great post @thehehe !

You're right that the schooling varies a lot in Europe! I didn't think there was one big system. I should have been more clear with what I meant, lol. I know a little about schooling in Austria & Switzerland bc of friends there. I don't know anything about schooling in France! Well now I do thanks to you.

I'm curious about the structure of colleges too. Maybe college peeps here can answer. It differs a lot too! I'm American but we live in Canada now. I want to go to college at the University of Chicago but I'm applying to Canadian universities too. My sister goes to the University of Chicago. It makes me a little dizzy hearing about all the requirements they have. She's not into explaining stuff so I'm still lost on that, lol.

I hope you get into Henri IV! That's so exciting. I'd love to live in Paris!
 
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When I was in high school and reading through the requirements for the colleges I was applying to I sometimes felt like and wondered if the next four years of my life would be navigating a labyrinth to make it to this .


Incoming first-years at my college receive a guidebook in the late spring to help us learn about the requirements and how to keep calm and carry on with fulfilling them. It's not as daunting or as complex as it seems. Our software system is tremendously helpful too because it keeps track of each requirement and helps us plan out each quarter.

One of the most significant differences between American colleges and universities and ones in other countries is that the majority of our schools have General Education Requirements (GER) / or General Education Breath Requirements all students must take in addition to courses specific to their major. My cousins who are attending university in England commenced with their studies relevant to their degrees on their first day. I'd applied to Oxford, and if I'd gone there I would have begun law school at age 17 fresh out of high school. I'm still planning on attending law school, but in America, so I must first obtain my undergraduate degree. If you're resolute about your career ambitions in your teens going to a university where you can immediately begin pursuing your education to prepare for it can be advantageous for its concentration and time efficiency.

The benefit of the American structure is you're given a more expansive education in addition to specific knowledge for your degree. You also can explore academic interests and potential careers you might not have been exposed to yet. We devote most of our first year to taking GERs and some core courses for majors we're interested in. Many of the core courses are for multiple majors so we still have flexibility. We declare our major during our second year of study. I think the extra time also lets us grow into ourselves more and be more confident about the major we've selected. My cousin in England has twice changed her mind about her studies and needed to take bridge courses. She would have preferred having the extra time to survey the academic field before deciding to plant herself in it. The drawbacks of the GERs is that students are required to take courses in subjects that may have no direct bearing on their degree, and might be in areas of weakness. A Humanities major who despises advanced math still has to either take a course in it or be able to transfer in credit from an AP exam or dual enrollment class. A STEM major who views foreign language classes as the bane of their existence still is mandated to either take three quarters of a foreign language or fulfill it through an AP.

These are the GER for Stanford: https://registrar.stanford.edu/students/enrolling-courses/general-education-breadth-requirements

- The Thinking Matters courses are designed to help us transition from high school into college and help us acquire tools for critical inquiry.
- The Ways of Thinking / Ways of Doing courses are the breath requirements. They are: in Engineering and Applied Sciences, Humanities, Math, Natural Sciences, and Social Sciences. You have to take a total of 11 courses with a minimum of one in each of the areas, and two courses each in three of the areas. I've taken way more in some areas than others because they're also related to my major.
- Writing and Rhetoric - self explanatory
- Foreign language - self explanatory

I'll copy and paste my list of the requirements and the courses I've taken thus far to fulfill them. It includes courses from this quarter. I still have areas left to fulfill. I want to study in Florence one quarter and will fulfill the CE requirements then. I'm likely going to declare Political Science with a primary track in Law and Justice and a secondary track in International Relations, so that's why I'm taking more Social Inquiry classes.

These courses provide students with educational breadth by giving instruction in essential skills and capacities in the areas of:

Haha, I wrote this when I was going to ridiculous extents to procrastinate sleep at 3 in the morning, then fell asleep before I posted it. It's still on my laptop so I'm posting now.
 
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Haha, I wrote this when I was going to ridiculous extents to procrastinate sleep at 3 in the morning, then fell asleep before I posted it. It's still on my laptop so I'm posting now.

Lol!!! Thanks for all that information! Biosecurity & Bioterrorism? That's intense. I now have to find out who Noam Chomsky is. Idk if that's someone I should already know all about by now or if it's OK that I don't.
 
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@Cimorene I will know on June

I hope you get to go! We go to Europe a lot bc of my mom's job but I haven't spent much time in Paris. I'd love to live there for a while. That would be so amazing!!!
 
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I hope you get to go! We go to Europe a lot bc of my mom's job but I haven't spent much time in Paris. I'd love to live there for a while. That would be so amazing!!!

Where do you usually go in Europe?
Well the city is very attractive for the studies, but I honestly would not like to live and to work there! The Parisians have their own mentality (they despise a lot the provinciaux, all the rest of the French population haha). Moreover, a decent house costs A LOT, truly! However, this is really really attractive for a student dreaming of a bigger life
 
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My mom's company has offices in Austria & Switzerland so she goes there pretty often. Sometimes I tag along. It's the nice thing about going to an online school bc I can still go to class wherever I am. She mainly works here in Canada but makes trips there several times a yr. We got to go to Italy last time! That was really fun. I've mainly just flown into the Paris airports for connecting flights. I haven't spent much time in the city. Just some really short trips. I'd like to see more of it for myself. I know it's a super expensive city! I think it would be great to do something like what you want to do bc you get to experience living there but you don't have to worry about buying a house or anything like that.
 
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I love Austria! How beautiful, with its moutains and little villages, and Vienna...
Italyyyy! yes!!! My grandfather was Italian, and we still go there a lot as my father miss a LOT his origins area where he used to live for a while. Italy is, for me, my memories of my beloved Grandpa Did you see Rome, or Florence?

Yes, I would live on a students residence, without having to care for the food or anything! It would be less expensive and more easily!
 
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We were in Verona & Milan. I've been to Venice before, but just for a day. I'd love to go to Florence & Rome! That's great your grandpa was Italian. Does your dad speak the language? It's so pretty. Yes, I like Austria a lot. My mom just got this job a couple of years ago. We didn't travel as much before then. It's still really exciting to me. I definitely want to study abroad in college. It would be on fleek to study in Paris. I definitely hope you get to do it this year!
 
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Yes, my dad speaks perfectly Italian, and a bit of Friulian language, the local language of his area
I went to Venice very often, as my grandpa's native region is very close to Venice. Beautiful, but a lot of tourists.
Thank you again for all your encouragements for my studies, this is so kind of you! Would you be interested in a school in Europe? Perhaps in England?
 
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