Let's pretend there are evil angels and Jesus was indeed a god. How far backwards does one have to bend to explain how is it possible that a creature that was in the presence of Gd, in all his glory, can tempt him with ruling over some ancient kingdoms? On Earth. It's a silly premise.
I never said he was "just a man". He was a man begotten directly by YHWH (the only true Elohim) without the aid of a man. There is no such thing as a "God Man".Not at all.
He took on the role of the suffering servant and it in no way precluded him being Divine.
I refuse to accept this nonsense that Yeshua was "just a man"
Yeshua forgave sin because the only true Elohim gave him that authority.Yeshua forgave sin. Only G-d forgives the sins of another.
I'll address this when I have more time.As for your ridiculous attempt to marginalize the worship of Yeshua, the disciples did not do that they flat out, straight up WORSHIPED him.
Can you please cite them?By reading the text there are several examples of people falling to their knees and worshiping Yeshua.
I agree with him. He is the Messiah. He wasn't saying he is the great "I AM" of Ex 3:14. That is easily disproved.And the greatest of all evidence is when Yeshua is speaking to the high priest when question as to whether he was the messiah? Yeshua answered him by saying I AM.
Mark 14:64 62 And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”63 Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? 64 “You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
The Greek word translated “worship” is “proskuneo” meaning; to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore). It is the same word used in Exodus 34:14 in the Septuagint for the worship of YHWH.
Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
This is being said by Yeshua to the believers comprising the Philadelphia church. A time will come in the future when Yeshua will command his followers to be worshipped as well. Now, should we consider these men to be “Gods” simply because they are worshipped? No. Neither should we consider the Son to be “God” simply because he was worshipped.
Yeshua and the believers in the Philadelphia church are not being worshipped as YHWH (God), but as YHWH’s representatives. They are being bowed down to and given honor as such.
Much confusion concerning “worship” arises from the fact that the Hebrew and Greek words for translated “worship” were translated differently when the “worship” was directed toward men.
The Hebrew word translated “worship” is Strong’s#7812 – “shachah” meaning; to depress, that is, prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God). Here are the various ways it was translated in the KJV; bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.
An example of “shachah” from one man to another is found in Genesis 23:7;
And Abraham stood up, and bowed himself to the people of the land, even to the children of Heth.
In Gen 33:3, Jacob bowed down to Esau;
But he himself passed on ahead of them and bowed down to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
What if “shachah” was translated “worship” here instead of “bowed down”? Would that make Esau “God”? Of course not. Neither does Yeshua receiving “worship” make him “God”.
Yeshua himself will command men to worship his followers. That does not make his followers “God”. They will be worshipped” or “bowed down to” as representatives of Yahweh and Yeshua.
Yeshua is deserving of our “worship” as we bow down to him, honor him, and adore him. However, it is Almighty Yahweh alone that we are to worship as the one true God.
Can you please cite them?
Even if bowing the knee is what makes the difference, where are we told to worship the Son as though he were our Heavenly Father or the only true Elohim? We proskuneo or shachah the Son for who he is and what he has done and not for being our Father or the only true God. If you are bowing your knees to Yeshua to worship him as the Elohim of our fathers, you are committing idolatry.
I agree with him. He is the Messiah. He wasn't saying he is the great "I AM" of Ex 3:14. That is easily disproved.
Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed?The high priest knew the Messiah they awaited was NOT the "the Blessed" One (Father YHWH), but His Son. Yeshua agreed.
Mark 14:62 And Yeshua said, I am (the Messiah): and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.The "power" refers to Father YHWH. Yeshua is sitting on the right side of Father YHWH (Psalm 110:1). Father YHWH is on Yeshua's left. Two beings. One is the "Blessed" One and the "power" and the other is the SON of that being.
Apparently you are ignore what Yeshua said... he had the right to lay down his life and pick it up again. I know of no man before, nor since that had that gift.I never said he was "just a man". He was a man begotten directly by YHWH (the only true Elohim) without the aid of a man. There is no such thing as a "God Man".
A "Divine" being cannot die. If he was the "suffering servant" of Isa 53, then he was "smitten of God" (vs. 4). Yet, if he was "God", then you have two "Gods", one suffering and one smiting. Talk about nonsense!
God Cannot Be Tempted. Yeshua Was Tempted. Therefore, Yeshua was not God is the argument ...
James 1:13, "Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone." ...
Therefore, it is fair to say that Yeshua could have been truly tempted. Could Yeshua fail at His mission by allowing the human side of Him give in to temptation just like the rest of mankind?
Can you please cite them?
Even if bowing the knee is what makes the difference, where are we told to worship the Son as though he were our Heavenly Father or the only true Elohim? We proskuneo or shachah the Son for who he is and what he has done and not for being our Father or the only true God. If you are bowing your knees to Yeshua to worship him as the Elohim of our fathers, you are committing idolatry.
I agree with him. He is the Messiah. He wasn't saying he is the great "I AM" of Ex 3:14. That is easily disproved.
Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed?The high priest knew the Messiah they awaited was NOT the "the Blessed" One (Father YHWH), but His Son. Yeshua agreed.
Mark 14:62 And Yeshua said, I am (the Messiah): and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.The "power" refers to Father YHWH. Yeshua is sitting on the right side of Father YHWH (Psalm 110:1). Father YHWH is on Yeshua's left. Two beings. One is the "Blessed" One and the "power" and the other is the SON of that being.
First.. do you believe in original sin... right down to the DNA?
Second... did Yeshua take on sinful flesh?
Third... when tempted could Yeshua have failed?
First.. do you believe in original sin... right down to the DNA?
Second... did Yeshua take on sinful flesh?
Third... when tempted could Yeshua have failed?
First.. do you believe in original sin... right down to the DNA?
Second... did Yeshua take on sinful flesh?
Third... when tempted could Yeshua have failed?
I asked you to cite examples "of people falling to their knees and worshiping Yeshua."John 8:58
...before Abraham was, I AM.
...πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγὼ εἰμί.
I am marginally interested in the cultural phenomenon of disconnecting Christ and God the Father as one. If I had a son, he would be me: 2.0. I may even go so far as to name my son after me, after the combination and summation of who I think I am/represent. I wouldn't have a problem with my son saying he is me because it would be true. But, He wouldnt be the Father (me) - the one who can give authority, take it away, and bestow inherentences. Anything my son gets from me is his. And, my son will know I am his father, and I have the final authority. Moreover, if we were talking about a King-Prince relationship, my Prince/son would have all authority I grant him from the throne, and he would represent the throne for me, in my name.
I don't ever think Christ - though He said He and the Father are one - ever equated Himself to God the Father. And, He always told us to pray to the Father, and that the authority He has, and everything He got was from the Father. (That would mean that He is at least recognizing a hierarchy involved, but that doesn't make Him any less [in unity with] God.)
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