Yahushua, Yahusha or Jesus?

Cat Loaf You said:

It's Yah not Yeh because you say Hallelujah not Hallelujeh .
Somehow i don't like name Jehovah maybe because of Jehovah's witness knocking to my doors from time to time .

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Theophoric prefix is YeHo...sorry if the truth does not fit your fantasy...

LittleLambofJesus said:

It would appear so. Yah in the name "Yahowshuwa" also means God/Lord

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number H3050 matches the Hebrew יָהּ (Yahh),
which occurs 49 times in 45 verses in the Hebrew concordance

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Genesis 1:1 (YLT)

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Theophoric prefix is YeHo...sorry if the truth does not fit your fantasy...

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Well then author of Revelation live in that fantasy aswell

Soyeong said:

Indeed, I am speaking about the Mosaic Law. I don't think you can quote where the Bible says that it is impossible to keep God's Law, but I can quote where it says the opposite.

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Romans 3:23New King James Version (NKJV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

28 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Soyeong said:

God is not an unloving father who gave the Law to his children to put us in bondage and under a curse, but rather He is a loving Father who knows how to give good gifts to His children, who said that the Law was given for our own good

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Galatians 3 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

It says over and over and over we are NOT under the law. How are you keeping the Mosaic Law? Are you doing sacrifices? What kind of clothes are you wearing? Do you shave your face? How do you keep the passover? Are you traveling to Jerusalem every year during the passover?

1 Corinthians 5

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.c]">[c] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

but with unleavened bread, noticed bread is italicized? That is a clue, when you discover what sincerity and truth is you will realize this is Jesus. This is NOT and endorsement of keeping the passover as it was prior to Jesus.

All of your talking points are the same talking points I can go and get from men who teach this Hebrew Roots. This is not by earnest revelation and understanding from personal study that you have this teaching. It is through the bewitchment of men and the teaching is in error.

Cat Loaf You said:

Well then author of Revelation live in that fantasy aswell

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No, only you do...Yah is not a theophoric prefix

2Timothy2:15 said:

It says over and over and over we are NOT under the law. How are you keeping the Mosaic Law? Are you doing sacrifices? What kind of clothes are you wearing? Do you shave your face? How do you keep the passover? Are you traveling to Jerusalem every year during the passover?

but with unleavened bread, noticed bread is italicized? That is a clue, when you discover what sincerity and truth is you will realize this is Jesus. This is NOT and endorsement of keeping the passover as it was prior to Jesus.

All of your talking points are the same talking points I go and get from men who teach this Hebrew Roots..............

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Did anyone notice that Titus came upon Jerusalem during the feast of the Passover?
Look at Ezekiel 22 where the LORD would gather the Jews to destroy/cleanse them in FIRE.

Ezekiel 22:
17 And there is a word of Jehovah unto me, saying, ‘Son of man, 18 The house of Israel hath been to Me for dross, All of them [are] brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, In the midst of a furnace — dross hath silver been, 19 Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: Because of your all becoming dross, Therefore, lo, I am gathering you unto the midst of Jerusalem, 20 A gathering of silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, Unto the midst of a furnace — to blow on it fire, to melt it, So do I gather in Mine anger and in My fury, And I have let rest, and have melted you. 21 And I have heaped you up, And blown on you in the fire of My wrath, And ye have been melted in its midst. 22 As the melting of silver in the midst of a furnace, So are ye melted in its midst, And ye have known that I, Jehovah, I have poured out My fury upon you.’

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21............

The Romans having become masters of the lower city, set it on fire. The Jews now fled to the higher, from whence, their pride and insolence yet unabated, they continued to exasperate their enemies and even appeared to view the burning of the town below them with tokens of pleasure...............
.After this, all annoyance from the Jews being at an end, the soldiers gave an unbridled license to their fury against the inhabitants. They first plundered, and then set fire to the houses........ The vial of divine wrath, which had been so long pouring out upon this devoted city was now emptying, and JERUSALEM, once "a praise in all the earth," and the subject of a thousand prophecies, deprived of' the staff of life, wrapt in flames, and bleeding on every side sunk into utter ruin and desolation. This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding...............

Rev 18:
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“Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.
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“and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great City?'
19 And they cast dust upon their heads and cried-out, weeping and mourning, saying "Woe! Woe! the great City, wherein all were made rich, that had ships at sea, by reason of her prices. That to one hour She was desolated

Jesus and Yeshua refer to the same person. Yeshua is Aramaic, Jesus is the latinized form of Jesus' name used in the new testament, Ιησους (Iësous)

Yeshua (Aramaic)
Iësous (Greek has no 'y' or 'sh' character, '-s' is added to indicate the masculine gender in Greek)
Iesvs (Old Latin spelling. Greek ου corresponds to Old Latin v)
Jesus (Neo-Latin spelling. It is originally pronounced 'yay-soos' The 'J' is pronounced like it is now because of French influence)

One should look up Dr Michael Brown on THIS subject. I never really disagree with anything but..on this.. as Jewish man and knows Hebrew and Greek and Dr this and that..what ever. He tells you what names have been and what names have never been in ANY part of Jewish history..on and on.

Its a REALLY good thing to search study on. In the end.. you say Yeshua Jesus.. He WILL answer. HAHA He knows our heart and just WHO we are crying out to.. just saying.. never get stuck on this. Just ALWAYS give Him all the praise glory so forth.. remember just WHO He really is.. amen

2Timothy2:15 said:

But it does matter because this leads people to being under the law. It is a slippery slope and at the end another gospel is injected. It does matter because there is a sense of spiritual elitism that exudes from those who insist that is the name. Do some research on language and who the Masoretes were and you will come to the same conclusion. Ancient Hebrew was a dead spoken language for a long time and know one knows what it sounded like. I have an Assyrian Christian friend who speaks Aramaic fluently, he says Jesus .

Masoretes - Wikipedia

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The Dead Sea Scrolls date to the time of Jesus. They were written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. We do not know what vowels were used in the Hebrew texts as only the consonants were written.

Jesus' name means, "Yahweh is salvation" in Hebrew. There must have been some use of Hebrew in first century Judea for people to have Hebrew names.

The exact pronunciation of the name is less important than the context the name was used in.

Cat Loaf You said:

It's Yah not Yeh because you say Hallelujah not Hallelujeh .
Somehow i don't like name Jehovah maybe because of Jehovah's witness knocking to my doors from time to time .

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It can have a different pronunciation depending on whether it is at the beginning or the the end of the word.

dqhall said:

The Dead Sea Scrolls date to the time of Jesus. They were written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. We do not know what vowels were used in the Hebrew texts as only the consonants were written.

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Not sure how that is relevant to this topic since the Dead Sea Scrolls, one, only contain OT writtings, and two the name of Jesus does not appear in any of the text.

Also, there is debate as to the age of the scrolls.

Carbon dating the Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

Points to consider;

1. Hebrew can be copied, not necessarily spoken by the scribe. ( I can copy German too but I don't speak it)
2. Aramaic writings, support what I said earlier, that when the Hebrews left Babylon they were speaking Aramaic and not Ancient Hebrew.

2Timothy2:15 said:

Romans 3:23New King James Version (NKJV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

28 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

It says over and over and over we are NOT under the law.

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In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult for us to obey, so the fact that God disagrees with your position completely undermines it, but you did not even address this point, so by continuing to argue for your position, you are saying that God lied and are denying our faith. In Romans 9:30 - Romans 10:10, the reason why the Israelites failed to obtain righteousness is because they shared your misunderstand of the goal of the Law, with the main difference being your conclusion about whether or not it should be obeyed in spite of what Paul said in Romans 3:31 about our faith not abolishing, but upholding the Law. Israel had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they did not understand that the righteousness of God comes only through faith in Messiah, so they pursued the Law as though righteousness were works in an effort to establish their own rather pursuing the Law as though righteousness were by faith, for the goal of obeying the Law is a relationship with Christ for righteousness for everyone who has faith. Our faith says that God's Law is not too difficult for us and to submit to God's Law is what it means to confess to Christ as Lord. It is meaningless to confess Jesus to be Lord while refusing to submit him as Lord by following his teachings, which were not his own, but that of the Father (John 14:23-24). In Philippians 3:8, Paul had been keeping the Law without having a focus on growing in a relationship with Christ, so he had been missing the whole point and therefore counted it as rubbish.

God said that His Law was given for our own good to bless us and to teach his children how to walk in His ways and I believe Him, but if you believe that the Law required perfect obedience or else we are put under a curse, then that would mean that God again lied and instead gave the Law in order to put His children under a curse. I mean, do you believe that Psalms 119:1 is true, that those who walk in the Law of the Lord are blessed? God does not curse those who seek to obey His commands, but those who disobey them and Christ came to free us from the curse of living in disobedience to the Law so that we could be free to enjoy its blessing. If the Law were about trying to become justified through perfect obedience, then there would be no point in repentance because it would already be too late, yet the message of pretty much every prophet up to and including Jesus was to repent from our sins, so clearly obedience to the Law has some purpose other than justification by perfect obedience. If you agree that we should repent from our sins and that the Law was given to reveal what sin is, then you should agree that we should live in obedience to the Law.

In regard to Romans 6:14, I completely agree that we are not under the law, but Paul specified that the law that we are not under is one where sin had dominion over us, which does not at all fit Paul's description of God's holy, righteous, and good Law, which he said was not sin, and which was the good that he delighted in obeying (Romans 7:7, 7:12, 7:22), but rather it perfectly fits his description of the law of sin, which was causing him not to do the good that he wanted to (Romans 7:13-20). Furthermore, it wouldn't make any sense to interpret Romans 6:14 as referring us not being under God's Law and then say in the next verse that we are permitted to do what God Law reveals to be sin. In addition, all of the surrounding context of Romans 6:12-19 is in favor of obeying the Law, where we are not to present ourselves as instruments of sin, but as instruments of righteousness.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's Law and obedience to God is straightforwardly about having faith in Him to redeem us from our disobedience and to teach us how to walk in His ways. Living by faith is always associated with submitting to God's will as made known through His commands, such as with every example of saving faith listed in Hebrews 11, whereas there are a number of verse where breaking faith is associated with an unwillingness to submit to God's will. So the Book of the Law is of faith, but man-made works of law are not. In Romans 3:27, Paul spoke about a law that was of works and a law that is of faith, and it is straightforward works of law that are of of works, while God's Law is of faith.

How are you keeping the Mosaic Law? Are you doing sacrifices? What kind of clothes are you wearing? Do you shave your face? How do you keep the passover? Are you traveling to Jerusalem every year during the passover?

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I keep the Law by practicing what it requires of me and by practicing repentance when I do not. Paul continued to make offerings in Acts 18:18 when he took a Nazarite vow (Numbers 6) and he was on his way to pay for the offerings of others who had undertaken a similar vow in Acts 21:20-24 in order to disprove false rumors that he was teaching Jews against obeying the Law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. So offerings did not stop with the death or resurrection of Jesus, but only stopped because of the destruction of the temple. However, the Bible prophesies a time when a third temple will be built and when offerings will resume (Ezekiel 44-46). I do not wear clothes with wool and linen mixed. The word use in the command not to mar the corners of our beards is more like the action of taking a neatly trimmed hedge and hacking away at it haphazardly with a chainsaw than the action of trimming an overgrown hedge to make the sides even, so I do not consider it to be a command against shaving my face, but rather it is more likely was speaking against a pagan practice. I keep Passover by doing a Passover Seder. The purpose of the pilgrimage festivals is to go up to the place where God's glory dwells, but His glory has not dwelled in Jerusalem since the destruction of the time in 70 AD, though we know that during the Messianic Age God's glory will once again dwell in Jerusalem and people will be making pilgrimages. Indeed, the purpose was to bring our tithes and first fruits to the temple, which again no longer exists. Yet, we know that the condition for Israel to return from exile was to turn back to obedience to God's Law (Deuteronomy 30:1-5), which required them to have access to a temple that they didn't have access to while in exile, so God counted honoring what we can do as full obedience.

1 Corinthians 5

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.c]">[c] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

but with unleavened bread, noticed bread is italicized? That is a clue, when you discover what sincerity and truth is you will realize this is Jesus. This is NOT and endorsement of keeping the passover as it was prior to Jesus.

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Whenever the KJV or NKJV italicizes a word, it is not a clue to a deeper meaning, but rather it indicates that the word was added for clarity because is not found in the original Greek of Hebrew. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it. He explicitly stated that we should therefore keep the feast and then described that manner in which we should keep it, so even if it is a reference to Jesus, it would simply mean to keep Passover in remembrance of him, not that we should no longer keep Passover.

All of your talking points are the same talking points I can go and get from men who teach this Hebrew Roots. This is not by earnest revelation and understanding from personal study that you have this teaching. It is through the bewitchment of men and the teaching is in error.

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I am not a follower of Hebrew Roots, though I do agree with them on a number of things, but it is not as though all of your talking points aren't the same taught to us growing up. A big part that led to changing my understanding of God's Law was reading Psalms 119 and realizing that the negative view of God's Law that I had been taught did not match the one extremely positive one expressed in Scripture, which was another major point that you did not respond to. I am the one who is saying that we should follow God's commands in accordance with the example that Christ set for his followers, while you are teaching against obeying the commands of your God and did not deny that the way to follow Christ is to break the Law that he followed, so very obviously I am not the one who has been bewitched. Do you think that Satan had to role to leading people to disobey God's commands in in the OT, but in the NT his role to get people to obey them? You are depriving yourself of the delight of getting to obey God's commands and walking in His ways.

HARK! said:

Perhaps you can explain to me why in every other place the name "Yahshua" appears in scripture, (There are many places.) even in the "New Testament," except when it comes to the Messiah, the name is translated or transliterated to Joshua.

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Easy to explain: what you say is false.

In the Greek New Testament, both Jesus Christ and Joshua the son of Nun are called Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς). To avoid confusion, most translations have "Joshua" when Joshua the son of Nun is being referred to.

Rubiks said:

Yeshua is Aramaic

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Pretend Aramaic, not real Aramaic.

HARK! said:

I think that serious confusion has been created, by teaching false names.

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Yes, and perhaps for almost 1,704 years many false teachings to beware, meant to tear apart the true followers of Jesus, and meant to prevent little ones who are seeking YHWH'S KINGDOM from finding His Kingdom.

Soyeong said:

Whenever the KJV or NKJV italicizes a word, it is not a clue to a deeper meaning, but rather it indicates that the word was added for clarity because is not found in the original Greek of Hebrew. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it. He explicitly stated that we should therefore keep the feast and then described that manner in which we should keep it, so even if it is a reference to Jesus, it would simply mean to keep Passover in remembrance of him, not that we should no longer keep Passover.

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That is not correct, and I was saying it was a clue for you. I am really astounded at your scriptural gymnastics though.

Also, you did not address any of the scriptures I shared that clearly lay out we are not under the law. I guess you are not really interested in honest discussion.

Soyeong said:

am not a follower of Hebrew Roots, though I do agree with them on a number of things, but it is not as though all of your talking points aren't the same taught to us growing up

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Ahhh there it is, the "greek" mindset, the indoctrination of the church is what you are implying. I have heard this all before.

Soyeong said:

I keep the Law by practicing what it requires of me and by practicing repentance when I do not.

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So then you do not keep the law.