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GreenMunchkin · Oct 15, 2007

[BIBLE]Matthew 7:15[/BIBLE]

How are we to respond to people like this? Have been thinking about it and have been praying about it all day, but I can't get beyond my own anger at the manipulation and mask being worn.

What are we called to do when we recognize a wolf? Pray for them? Rebuke them? What do we do?

Time2BCounted · Oct 15, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
[BIBLE]Matthew 7:15[/BIBLE]

How are we to respond to people like this? Have been thinking about it and have been praying about it all day, but I can't get beyond my own anger at the manipulation and mask being worn.

What are we called to do when we recognize a wolf? Pray for them? Rebuke them? What do we do?

Confrontation

Christianity has compromised itself into an apostate mess. Imho we cannot afford to give up ground without a fight, otherwise we are overcome with a flood.

Titus 1

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

GreenMunchkin · Oct 15, 2007

Interesting. Those verses epitomize it really, really well.

Ok. Thanks, Eric. This has given me something specific to meditate on

razzelflabben · Oct 15, 2007

I think the key is in identifying them, it seems that most people either excuse everyone no matter or go on a witch hunt to find the wolves.

Colabomb · Oct 15, 2007

Good point. How do we know them? Especially as they are Hiding in Sheep's Clothes.

How do we find the Wolves without doing collateral damage to the Sheep?

free2be · Oct 15, 2007

Colabomb said:
Good point. How do we know them? Especially as they are Hiding in Sheep's Clothes.

How do we find the Wolves without doing collateral damage to the Sheep?

That's a great question, Cola. I think there is much damage being done to the sheep...even sheep being mistaken as wolves. We need to pray for discernment, I think.

Simon_Templar · Oct 15, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
[BIBLE]Matthew 7:15[/BIBLE]

How are we to respond to people like this? Have been thinking about it and have been praying about it all day, but I can't get beyond my own anger at the manipulation and mask being worn.

What are we called to do when we recognize a wolf? Pray for them? Rebuke them? What do we do?

The imagery used is that of a flock of sheep, which wolves are infiltrating.

In that image, you should alert the shephard to the presense of the wolf... the shephard should then either kill the wolf, or chase it off.

(and I am speaking in terms of the image.. I don't advocate people actually killing false prophets )

Colabomb · Oct 15, 2007

Oooh good point!

In your analogy is the Bishop or Christ the Shepherd?

Simon_Templar · Oct 15, 2007

Both, I would add to that the pastor/elder of the local congregation as well.

They all function as shephards.. and I think you go up the chain. Go to the local elder, he should then take up the issue.. if he doesn't then go to the bishop, or whatever authority your denomination has over pastors.

The scriptural standard on dealing with a problem between people in the church is that you first go to the person, then you go to the preson with a witness.. then you go to the elders etc.

I think that a similar idea works with false prophets/teachers. This is, of course, assuming that they are in your local congregation.

rrguy · Oct 15, 2007

I appreciate these questions & all the good input.
If you do recognize them, how many others will not & how many will back them up? Allot of people would rather question those who stand for good rather than those who seem good? Not saying to back down, but might be a tough situation? Keep praying for sure.

brachah · Oct 15, 2007

less judgement, more prayer. pray for everyone, everything...

FriendsFellowship · Oct 15, 2007

I think some people are deceived so badly, they don't even know they are wolves.

Prayer is imperative!

Time2BCounted · Oct 15, 2007

I believe in arming the flock with swords. A wolf or even a pack of 4-5 stand no chance against 100 sheep with swords

We learn the word then, discern according to the word, weighing even the unpleasant, and then stand together against it, back to back as a flock, giving the word itself and standing on it unmovably, is some mighty sword slinging

JimfromOhio · Oct 15, 2007

FriendsFellowship said:
I think some people are deceived so badly, they don't even know they are wolves.

Prayer is imperative!

I agree and that's where I am having my most battles with. I am afraid of "wolves" more than I am afraid of the "known enemies". I can deal what I know but its harder to deal with the wolves who act like "wildlife terrorists" that comes in without us knowing.

ContentInHim · Oct 15, 2007

Time2BCounted said:
I believe in arming the flock with swords. A wolf or even a pack of 4-5 stand no chance against 100 sheep with swords

We learn the word then, discern according to the word, weighing even the unpleasant, and then stand together against it, back to back as a flock, giving the word itself and standing on it unmovably, is some mighty sword slinging

Amen. It's crucial that we know the scriptures (actually, I'm thinking that this is one of only a couple of 4U forums that actively reads and searches out the scriptures - most Christians don't ) so that we can discern the wolf's message from Jesus' message. An alert believer has no business entertaining a wolf's message. And JimfromOhio - you know scriptures better than most - don't fear that you'll fall for the wolf!

Im_A · Oct 15, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
[bible]Matthew 7:15[/bible]

How are we to respond to people like this? Have been thinking about it and have been praying about it all day, but I can't get beyond my own anger at the manipulation and mask being worn.

What are we called to do when we recognize a wolf? Pray for them? Rebuke them? What do we do?

my opinion is, i think we have to love them as we love ourselves. sure one can debate, "correct", "rebuke" but if one can't even obey the simplest of commandments all that stuff is done in vain.

GreenMunchkin · Oct 15, 2007

tattedsaint said:
my opinion is, i think we have to love them as we love ourselves. sure one can debate, "correct", "rebuke" but if one can't even obey the simplest of commandments all that stuff is done in vain.

Naw, dude, am not asking whether we need to love them We need to love everyone.

Was more curious about what we're called to actually *do*. Loving people isn't something we need to choose to do - that needs to be our default setting

Speculative · Oct 15, 2007

I usually ignore the wolves, until they attack me. Then, I do follow the confrontation method advocated by Time. I only do this when backed into a corner, though.

MrJim · Oct 15, 2007

Speculative said:
I usually ignore the wolves, until they attack me. Then, I do follow the confrontation method advocated by Time. I only do this when backed into a corner, though.

Hey Speculative

Im_A · Oct 15, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
Naw, dude, am not asking whether we need to love them We need to love everyone.

Was more curious about what we're called to actually *do*. Loving people isn't something we need to choose to do - that needs to be our default setting

so then live by default and stop making this situation so difficult.

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