Will This Planet be Destroyed?

Indentured Servant said:

The planet will not be destroyed, but damaged a great deal. People can "believe" anything, but Scripture does not tell us the planet will be destroyed.

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Thank you.

Since this is a scriptural discussion, on a subforum dealing specifically with scriptural content, would you like to provide relevant scriptures in support of what you said?

I guess most of those scriptures have already been provided, but you may add for the benefit of those who might read this thread.

ViaCrucis said:

There will be that Day when the fire of God's Judgment consumes all things--but this good creation of God is not going to be obliterated, it's going to get renewed. What will be destroyed--obliterated--is wickedness.

St. Paul, in Romans 8, says creation groans in anticipation--in labor pains--longing for its rebirth and renewal. That's new creation, which began when Christ our Lord rose from the dead. Which is why the longing of creation is for the future day of resurrection. What God did in Christ, He will do for us who belong to Christ when Christ returns; and on that Day there will be the renewal of all creation--new heavens and new earth.

That means the dirt under our feet isn't destined for annihilation, but redemption, it's meant for eternity. For death itself shall be swallowed up in victory.

The dirt under our feet, these very bones of our bodies, it's meant for eternity. That's what resurrection means. The hallelujah we declare because Christ is risen (He is risen indeed!) is the chorus of creation's salvation in Him.

-CryptoLutheran

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Thank you very much... and thank you for using the scriptures. Especially that one at Romans 8, which shows that all creation waits for the sons of God.
You hit the nail on the head right there... maybe without realizing it. Or maybe you did.

The creation will be made new (new earth), and the sons of God will be new (new heavens).
Not an easy concept to grasps. So praise god for the minority that do grasp it.

Laodicean60 said:

I have no clue, but I wish he'd hurry up because it's torture right now.

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You know.... both of those outlooks can change, as it did for me.
It just requires a couple things... 1) a thirst for the truth - a thirst so bad, that you are willing to be taught by someone from whom "the ring of truth" sounds. 2) humility - being humble enough to allow yourself to be taught, let the words of truth guide you, rather that your desires.

Would you say either of those applies to you?

Laodicean60 said:

I've studied scripture, including end time prophecy, rapture, and young earth, but with all this, it's not worth arguing over because no one knows with 100% certainty that what they have interpreted is the truth. For me, I'll wait and see.

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It's really up to persons if they want to remain clueless, and be in torture right now.
However, Jesus' followers were not in this state. 1 John 4:6; 1 John 5:19

Something that I find many have given little thought to, is that Jesus did not go to heaven and ditch his followers, and decided he is no longer interested in seeing the work he assigned all those that would work in the harvest Matthew 28:18-20; Matthew 9:37, 38
Hence to some people, his followers no longer exist on earth, and so, they don't need them to give them anything.
It seems to them, in fact, the holy spirit left the earth in 100 C.E, and does not guide his followers as Jesus promised it would, forever.

I would ask who you would wait and see from, but this is not a topic for this thread, or sub-forum. Sorry. I thought I was on another thread.
I will say this, though. Indeed, all will see, but for the vast majority, that seeing will be their last. I hope you do see, before then.

Laodicean60 said:

I guess I have to clarify torture. What torture is watching brothers and sisters constantly arguing with each other when God wants us to be of one mind? I have my own thoughts about this, but is it worth beating your chest over? My post that butt hurt you was a way of saying I wish Jesus would return in a hurry.

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What hurts me is seeing spiritually starved people that say they are okay while admitting they are empty.
It's my heart that hurts. Not my butt.
Pain in my heart is something I cannot help, because I feel empathy.

If people see that as a bad thing, they will be "butt hurt". They lash out at the one trying to help.
However, Jesus did feel the same way. Matthew 9:36
When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them because they were confused [clueless] and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

Laodicean60 said:

Who do you think? geez

I sense a lot of arrogance, brother???

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Jesus was seen as worst than arrogant, for trying to enlighten in a way that persons would actually think about what was said, and come to a realization, on their own.
The religious leaders - primarily the Pharisees sneered at him, and said he had a demon, because they felt hurt that he revealed what they could see, but didn't want to see.

If I were arrogant, I would not speak to you as I do. I would speak to you, the way most here do, and tell you the same things they directly say.
However, I don't speak arrogantly.
I give persons something to think about.

Humble people would take the time to think on it, and not lash out when it reveals a flaw.
The scriptures are true.
Proverbs 9:8-9
8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

Laodicean60 said:

Out

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May you go in peace, and not be sore.

Indentured Servant said:

I've read through this thread, only to find that the majority of the conversation lacks scriptural support for the things said.

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I agree.
However, that doesn't means a request wasn't made for scriptural support, which I always do, since I found that the vast majority of identifying Christians seldom reference scriptures, in discussions.

Indentured Servant said:

The question was posed, "what do you believe?"

Asking what someone believes is asking for an opinion. I provided my opinion.

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I apologize for taking for granted that everyone here reads the Statement of Purpose (SOP) of each sub-forum, before posting.
One sub-forum says...
The focus of the Exposition and Bible study forum is the interpretation and explanation (exegesis) of Bible books, chapters or verses. What this entails is that scripture is provided with your explanation of the scripture for discussion and study.

The other says...
With the nature of Hermeneutics, there is need for references to assist in the study of scripture, using references that help to provide information for interpretation such as historical information, translation of the original versions, etc. In your discussions...

So, I beg your pardon.
In the future, I will make a note, to please be reminded of the SOP, and its guidelines.

Indentured Servant said:

This thread is riddled with opinions, guesses, out of context scripture.

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Yes, this is common.
I always use scriptures, since God's word should be the authority on what we believe... even if it's what we believe... which isn't always an opinion.

Otherwise, the expression, "What does X denomination believe?" The answer would be... "X's opinion is xyz."
Which is incorrect.
When we read in the Bible, Paul or another apostle... for example...
I believe everything that is laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets, Acts 24:14

Or individual believed
John 11:26, 27
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
27 She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

When Jesus asked persons to believe that he is one with the father, and other things of that sort, we would read that as Jesus asking persons to just have the opinion that he is. John 14:9-12
Or when we read or even encourage persons to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, so that they may be save... it's the same thing.

So, we need to understand the use of the word believe in the correct context.
If I wanted opinions, I would ask as some do, on these forums.
What do you feel? Or Do you feel? Or even, what do you think? Which is a question, I particularly avoid asking, since I don't believe what we think is important.

However, in English, we use these terms loosely, so it gets complicated sometimes as to what is being asked.
Hence, your statement.

Indentured Servant said:

There are no verses that state the planet will be destroyed; in fact, there are no verses that refer to the planet, as a whole.

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Okay. Thanks for your opinion.

Indentured Servant said:

There are many mentions in scripture of survivors from the Day of the Lord, and numerous events and activities that specifically lack any mention of being anywhere else after God's wrath.

Scripture only reveals a continuation of life on this planet, not annihilation of the planet and all life.

It has been my experience that providing specific scripture in a discussion based on a doctrinal interpretation rather than actual Scripture, causes people to become combative when confronted with the Scripture that clearly shows their unwavering doctrinal stance might be wrong.

Since the opening question was "what do you believe," and not "what do you know based on the biblical text," I maintain my "safe" answer.

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Thank you for your opinion on the subject.
However, the sub-forum requires scriptural references... or other references, depending on which subforum you prefer to base your responses on.
Since you think that most here provide only "opinions, guesses, out of context scripture", then you accept that this is the same thing others will be saying about your post, and they may well say that you are following suit.

If you are fine with that.

Indentured Servant said:

Maybe I'll compile the dozens of references to life on earth after God's wrath into a really long bible study. (It would still be long if all I posted were a list of scriptural references)

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That would be appreciated, by the OP, but most importantly, by God, since he appreciates those who value his word, and use it as the authority, in imitation of Jesus Christ his son.

Indentured Servant said:

If the sub-forum requires scriptural references, then perhaps the topic should ask questions based on knowledge of scripture, rather than belief.

I merely answered in the Spirit of the question.

If more is expected of me than the individual who is asking a question in any particular sub-forum, it would be nice to be aware of the inequity of responsibility.

I don't debate Scripture. I did not understand that as a requirement.

Thank you for allowing me to be on this site, but I won't get manipulated into a debate.

This is my final post.

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Thank you.

I share scriptures.
I find they are informative, and enlighten us in things we may not know.
If people debate what is said, that is okay. I require scriptures to support any contentions. I may learn from those.

Even if I don't, people are searching for answers, and visit forums for this reason.
My posts are not designed to debate, as a primary focus, but to get views, ask questions, that may be helpful, and supply scriptures that shed light on the subject.