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Eleana

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Why is Catholicism so difficult to understand? I have been learning hard to be a catholic from my protestant background, yet everytime I have been facing alot of new terminologies used in catholicism and many symbols, traditions, doctrine...

Why cant catholicism be as simple as christian faith?

Why must we be so exaggerated in so many things and cant be just worship in simplicity?

I'm about to give up. Someone pls help.
 

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Well a couple of thoughts . .

One, coming from a Protestant background, if you try to make it fit into a Protestant way of understanding things, which is natural to try to do for a while, you start to realize how inadequate the old mold is . . and Catholicism doesn't fit, it overflows those boundaries . .

There is a culture shock . . most definitely .. like trying to learn a new language, a new way of doing things, etc . . like trying to immerse yourself into a different culture with little preparation . .

There are a lot of wrong ideas to overcome . . . wrong ideas that you were sure were right . . and when you realize they are wrong, you try to discard them, but they still persist in ways not immediately evident at times . .

It takes time . . you need to give yourself time . .you need to be easy on yourself and patient . ..

I didn't come at trying to understand Catholicism from a view point of wanting to become, or even leaning towards, Catholicism . .

I came from a view point that I wanted to be anything else other than Catholic . . what I wanted was to know the truth, but I didn't want it to lead me to the Catholic Church . . I spent 3 years learning, overcoming wrong ideas and beliefs . . it is NOT easy coming from a strong Protestant background



But I can say this . . it is worth EVERY MINUTE TRYING! ABSOLUTELY!



Do not give up . . keep putting it before the Lord . . it only APPEARS complicated . . it really is very, very simple . . . but you do not see the sheer simplicity of the Catholic faith until it all comes together . . and then you go This is it, this is all there is to it . .


And what is this "it" that is so simple?


It is GRACE . . that is all .. GRACE . .


The key to understanding Catholicism is to understand that it is simply all Grace . . the giving of Grace by God and the receiving of this Grace by us, and our response to that Grace which releases more Grace, and so forth and so forth . .

All these things you are finding so confusing in the Catholic Church are really only the rich diversity of avenues of God's Grace to us and our opportunities to respond to His Grace . . that's it . . that's all it is!


What happens when you are learning about Catholicism, and trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together, you will get a section completed here, another completed there, and you begin to see how it is going to look when it is done . . but it is not until you put in that final piece that suddenly, you see the whole . . Now that does not mean that you are going to understand everything perfectly . but you are going to understand what is essential to understand, and then, you are going to say .. . "aha . .that's it, that's all there is to this .. its GRACE!" And your understanding of Grace will have so deepened and broadened that you will wonder how in the world you tired to hold with the mold you brought with you from Protestantism . .it has to be discarded, it is too small!


When you surrender yourself to God in this whole thing, He begins to put the pieces of the puzzle together faster than you can imagine . .

Right now it is like looking at a forest, but instead of seeing the forest, you are concentrating on individual trees and are not seeing the forest yet . . when you step back and can see the whole, then all this will pass and you will understand what I mean when i say it is all worth it, don't give up!


When you get to this point, you will realize how very simple worship is in the Catholic faith. You do not need any type of emotionalism, or making worship work . . it just does, it just is . . Just let it flow over you and through you.



Peace in Him!
 
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Actually, i agree that it can all be extremely confusing!

there is a lot to learn, becaus ethere is a lot of heritage!

My advise to you would be to learn about the Sacraments first, their biblical foundations, how and when and why we use them. At least this way, you get to be fed and nurtured by the Faith, while you research other elements of Catholicism!

Go to Mass, soak up the ambience, the Holy Spirit, the Liturgy of the Word, pray during the Eucharist if you are unable to receive it at this time. Embrace God at this time and receive Him spiritually.
 
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i agree too it's difficult to grasp everything and it needs to be taken slowly while trying to put out of your mind all the misconceptions from your Protestant background.
i think this is one reason why people shy away from Catholicism. it takes a certain degree of discipline i think personally and oft times if it's too hard people think it's not worth it. please don't give up though. you will be so blessed as you continue on your journey of understanding!!
 
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Brethren in Christ, God give you Peace.

Thereselittleflower, what beautiful words!!!! You really captured it well, I think!

Eleana, you may try some books written by those who have converted. Scott and Kimberly Hahn's "Rome Sweet Home" and Stephen Ray's "Crossing the Tiber" come to mind. There is also "Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic" by (brain fart - can't recall - Karl Keating or Jeff Cavins or Tim Akin, I think it is one of those?) Those books should help as they come from a similar background as yours.

Above all, pray, pray and then pray some more!

God Bless,
P12
 
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Dear Eleana,

Prayer really is the key. Pray for the grace to understand and to have a mind transformed by Grace. Because Catholic Christianity is really very different from everything else.

Catholic Christianity is a new, divine way of understanding everything. We see the world with eyes and minds illuminated by Faith. It's not just that we believe different ideas than other Christians. It is a completely different way of thinking.

We have an expression, 'sensus Catholicus', which means a Catholic way of seeing things. The 'sensus Catholicus' is not something you can Learn. It is something God gives you gradually.

Recently, someone asked what sort of book a person should read when becoming a Catholic. I recommended a prayer book. I really think that this is the best way to learn.

Of course, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the greatest prayer of all. You should get to 'Mass' as often as possible.

Be at peace. Don't let the ideas and arguments of nonCatholic Christianity waste your time. Don't argue with yourself in your mind.

The journey is difficult but you can make it if you pray. God will carry you home to where He has prepared a place for you.
 
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Conversion is like salvation. It is a process. You are saved, being saved, going to be saved. You are converted, are converting and will be converted. I don't know if you are already in the Church or not, but don't wait until you learn everything/believe everything before converting, but DO wait until you are willing to accept everything on authority before converting. There is a difference between accepting and believing. You can accept some things even though they will not be a heartfelt belief, or even if there are things you have yet to even learn about. Belief follows acceptance.

You will be converting for years, even the rest of your life, is a process of conversion. Conversion of heart and mind, body and soul.

Marcia
 
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Why does a mountain climber choose the most challenging mountain to climb?

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Which reminds me of President John F. Kennedy's famous speech of 1962.
http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j091262.htm

Here is a portion.
There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

As you climb this highest mountain, do not worry of the distance between you and the top; look for that next handhold, that next ledge.

And above all, be at peace, for you are not alone.
 
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I was just reading Vincent of Lerins this morning, funny you should bring this up!

"But someone will say perhaps, shall there then be no progress in Christ's Church? Certainly; all possible progress... yet on condition that it be real progress, not alteration of the faith. For progress requires that the subject be enlarged in itself... The intelligence, then, the knowledge, the wisdom as well of individuals as of all, as well of one man as of the whole Church ought, in the course of ages and centuries, to increase and make much and vigorous progress; but yet only in its own kind; that is to say, in the same doctrine, in the same sense, and in the same meaning."

"The growth of religion in the soul must be analogous to the growth of the body, which, though in process of years it is developed and attains its full size, yet remains still the same... For example: Our forefathers in the old time sowed wheat in the Church's field. It wuld be most unmeet and iniquitous if we, their descendants, instead of the genuine truth of corn, should reap the counterfeit error of tares... From doctrine which was sown as wheat, we should reap, in the increase, doctrine of the same kind -- wheat also; so that when in process of time, any of the original seed is developed, and now flourishes under cultivation, no change may ensue in the character of the plant. There may supervene shape, form, variation in outward appearance, but the nature of each kind must remain the same." (Commonitory, Ch. 23)


So as we grow in faith, so deepen and grow our faith itself and our understanding of that faith... the Catholic Church, we believe, contains the fullness of that faith. It's really not all that complicated. I think it takes time to get used to. But remember, when you first attend university, you are not handed a diploma, for that is given only to those who have "run the good race" and completed their courses. No, when you first attend university, you take basic courses and go from there. So do not worry if perhaps you are "overwhelmed." You may have walked in on the equivalent of a masters level seminar, rather than a Catholic 101 course that a freshman will take.

It may be culture shock, but hey, what matters is you love Christ and are seeking Him. He'll take care of the rest.
 
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You know I read this thread ealier today and I have been thinking about it all day. I am new so I thought what could I say to her because things are hard for me to understand as well. I think though upon further reflection that the reason I deal with it so well is because I use the tools afforded me bythe Lord Himself. IOWs in this I do leave it up to Him and in His own time. It is enough for me to know that I am assured of knowing that i am in the right place. I am not going to magically get it overnight and it is going to be hard to understand and it is going to take discipline an my part. If i do my part then He will do His and show me the way. Whenever it becomes hard for me I have realized it is because i have taken over and am not letting Him have the control necessary to help me. I am studying the Catechism right nwo and I thought that it was going to be so much harder than it is. I have taken the direction that has been sent to me by not only the bible but by the Vehicles He has used and put into my path to guide me. I have learned that many of those Vehicles are here on CF in OBOB so whenever I have a pressing question I ask here. The total amount of accumulated knowledge around here is liking having a living encyclopedia. Whenever I need people to help me and lift me up they are here. Whenever I need teachers they are here. Whenever I just need fellowship it is here. This is what keeps me strong in my conviction even when things seem difficult. Jesus has provided very well due to the fact that I am willing to turn it over to Him. I have been richly rewarded.
please do not lose Faith, instead give it to the Lord and rely soley on Him and He will provide.
In Christ
Debi
 
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FR0G said:
Really? I thought Catholicism required onverts to believe everything the Church teaches before they can convert. This is not true?
No it is not true I have converted and I do not know all of what the Church teaches. I do need certain things in order to be confirmed and that is why you take RCIA classes but that is only but a small part of the vastness of knowledge the Church has. It would take one years and years to learn it all. We are all a work in progress that is why we have Faith.
 
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I believe that the basics of the Catholic faith are simple:

1. God Loves Us. He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three in One.

2. He sent Jesus to become Man, born of Mary, so that all humanity might be saved.

3. Jesus taught us how we should love God and One another.

4. Jesus founded One Church on Peter and the Apostles, to be united on all things, in earth and in heaven. He promised to guide and be with that Church for ever.

5. Through Jesus death on the cross, sin no longer holds us. We can become part of His body, which is the Church, accepting His free grace to redeem us, through Faith, Love and Baptism.

6. We must strive to DO as Jesus told us, "and run the christian race to the end". Through the sacraments He gave to us; Eucharist, Reconciliation etc., we can be given forgiveness of our sins and Grace to help us in our Christian life. So long as we remain His, (ie in a State of Grace), we can hope to be with Him ultimately in heaven.

7. All Christians on earth and in the heavenly realms are one in Christ and may pray and intercede for one another.

That's how I see the basics of Catholicism. All the rest is detail.
 
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FR0G said:
Really? I thought Catholicism required converts to believe everything the Church teaches before they can convert. This is not true?

Mental assent is required, not understanding.

We believe most of what we believe before we understand it.

If it were not this way, conversions would be extremely rare.

We believe, as the Creed puts it, 'in the Catholic Church", which includes the Magisterial Authority of the Church.

...Catholicism required converts to believe everything the Church teaches before they can convert.

Precisely: we are to believe "everything the Church teaches", even if we don't know precisely what that means. "everything-the-Church-teaches" is the best way to put it.
 
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Dear brothers and sisters,

Thanks for your kind responses.

Since I've already on the path, which took me so much time and effort, I really dont want to give it up so easily. You are right. Maybe I only see the small part of the whole thing, therefore, I am unable to comprehend Catholicism. Most of the time I'm willing to learn, but my flesh is weak. Too physically tired after work, too mentally tired when I can understand some aspects of what I am learning. That's why make me so disheartened.

Yes, just like a climber who wants to climb the most challenging and difficult mountain...I am willing to climb the most challenging and difficult ladder towards God.

Thanks everyone.
 
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Eleana said:
Yes, just like a climber who wants to climb the most challenging and difficult mountain...I am willing to climb the most challenging and difficult ladder towards God.

Since I gave the mountain metaphor, i shall continue it.

God's not at the top, waiting for you.

You are climbing WITH God.

And ALL of us are climbing that same mountain. Some are at higher elevation than others, and some are only at the base.

We don't "win" when we reach the top. We win when we begin and continue to climb. The speed is not important.

Peace be with you.
 
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KennySe said:
...God's not at the top, waiting for you.
You are climbing WITH God....We don't "win" when we reach the top. We win when we begin and continue to climb. The speed is not important....

These are words of wisdom, Eleana. God does not look on what we know, where we are, what we do, etc. He looks at your heart. He sees your love for Him, your desire to please Him, your trust in Him, your hunger and thirst for Him. What He sees in you, right now, pleases Him.

You can trust Him to lead you and guide you on your journey and in every thing You place in His hands.

Pray, pray, pray. Let Him speak to You.
 
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Because the Catholic Church is a 2000 yr. old Church and it's teachings cover everything in the Scripture and Sacred Traditions. Would you expect the religion of a crucified Master to be an easy one? A completely Christian religion which Catholicism is cannot be expected to be that easy as opposed
to waterdown Christianity.
 
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