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yedida

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I've heard more about how many nazi's the Vatican helped escape capture than how many Jews (and others) they helped during the War. This is a new one to me..... (mind you, I'm sure that Catholic individuals were very instrumental in the helping of the needy, just not the Vatican folks.)
 
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Every publication has it's bias.

For instance your 'other side' says this:

While Hitler was also recorded to have said this:

My feeling as a Christian leads me to be a fighter

It is of no matter whether or not the individual Jew is decent. He possesses certain characteristics given to him by nature, and he can never rid himself of those characteristics. The Jew is harmful to us...................................
And

From a speech by Hitler in 1922
 
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The assertion that Pius saved more Jews than anyone else during the Holocaust is categorically contradicted by the known historical record.
Wasn't Pius involved in taking in little children under the "catholic faith" wing their method of salvation? and was this the reason Jews do not see it as salvation from Nazism.
 
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I've heard that too. The little ones were taken (with permission) and placed in Catholic homes to be raised (of course as Catholic). It was "forced" and yet not forced in the way the Crusades had done it.
I personally cannot say that I wouldn't allow my little child to be removed from imminent danger by placing them in the home of an orthodox Muslim or Budhist, etc. Most likely, I'd be very grateful that life was being offered, hoping my child would seek his/her roots once grown up.
just saying.....
 
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As everyone knows, Hitler was a liar on every subject......."my feeling as a Christian," a Christian, my eye.....and I'm a purple elephant.

Well those who claim to be Christians take on all forms.


For those who don't know, Eugenio Pacelli is the given name of
Pope Pius XII.

Hitler's Pope

In 1917 he thought his own special diet was more important to transport for himself alone (60 cases of food that required an additional rail car) than the Lulav for the whole German Jewish community for Sukkot. His remarks on the request from the Rabbi to the Secretary of State of the Vatican were "
he did not think it appropriate for the Vatican "to assist them in the exercise of their Jewish cult."

Some very interesting insights to what was going on at the time and just how much Pacelli was involved in German politics. Give it a read, I'm sure you won't think of the times of the Shoah the same again.
 
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As everyone knows, Hitler was a liar on every subject......."my feeling as a Christian," a Christian, my eye.....and I'm a purple elephant.

He was a politician- and they will appeal to anything to get in and stay in power. Hitler deceived millions or normal people with his lying tongue, including clerics and holy men, and that was his satanic gift.
 
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He was a politician- and they will appeal to anything to get in and stay in power. Hitler deceived millions or normal people with his lying tongue, including clerics and holy men, and that was his satanic gift.

So was Pacelli, the Pope.
 
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Well, we all have our own side of the story, don't we? That's regular human stuff. I think only God comprehends the entire reality, and that's something else besides human sides of the story. That's a reason to fear, and it's a reason to hope in his mercy, too.
 
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He was a politician- and they will appeal to anything to get in and stay in power. Hitler deceived millions or normal people with his lying tongue, including clerics and holy men, and that was his satanic gift.

Yes, in fact, he openly bragged about his lying ability and about how effective lying was in order to accomplish one's ends. Someone devoted to such ideals is no Christian. Jesus Christ said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." To follow Jesus Christ is to love the truth, not to love the lie.
 
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