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Why Wright is not Reformed

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Wright is back up for discussion again...


A Puritan's Mind » Why NT Wright is NOT Reformed – by Rev. Fred Greco
 
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The question here is what it means to be Reformed. Does it mean that you can't disagree with the Reformers on any important issue? I would maintain that being Reformed means honoring the Reformers by following Scripture where it leads, as they did. I very much doubt that Calvin would be happy to be considered the source of a new infallible Tradition. That's a new Catholicism, not a Reformed faith.
 
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Great point - for me the issue w/ Wright centers on the doctrine of justification. He is obviously twisting it and that's a problem.
 
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Great point - for me the issue w/ Wright centers on the doctrine of justification. He is obviously twisting it and that's a problem.

He is not twisting it, he is correcting it in the light of new evidence, just as Calvin was seeking to do.

As he says:

 
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He is not twisting it, he is correcting it in the light of new evidence, just as Calvin was seeking to do.

He's not correcting it - just trying to get it back to what Calvin and others corrected it from to begin with.
 
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His "new evidence" is the twist.

Not really, the discovery of the scrolls in Qumran in 1947 unearthed new evidence by which we could obtain a more realistic understanding of Judaism in the second Temple period. These texts, helped us to recognize that the Judaism of Paul's day was not characterized by the idea that one obtained salvation by means of works and that the patters was best understood as covenantal nomism. In 4QFlor 1:1-7 the phrase מעשי תורה were what marked out the community of the last days in its distinctiveness from the outsiders and enemies. The problem, was that Luther read his criticisms of Catholicism back into the Pauline epistles and wrongly concluded that Judaism was a works-based religion. In the Judaism of Paul's day, the terms 'righteousness' and 'works of Torah' and 'justification' meant something specific, they were misunderstood by Calvin and Luther; Wright and others have simply recovered the real meaning of the terms as understood by Paul's Jewish contemporaries.
 
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The problem with Wright's view is that he takes matters that are in the background of Paul's message (i.e. table fellowship) and moves them to the foreground, and then takes the central issue (Paul's message about salvation and how one is declared righteous in God's sight) and moves it to the back burner. Wright continually does this with various issues. Wright likes to trivialize the momentous and complicate the obvious. His explanations are a clear case of being too clever by half.
 
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Paul's message about salvation and how one is declared righteous in God's sight

No, Paul's message about salvation is that through Jesus Christ God has shown himself faithful to his covenant with Abraham and that the people of God, composed of Jew and Gentile, shall be vindicated on the basis of faith.
 
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No, Paul's message about salvation is that through Jesus Christ God has shown himself faithful to his covenant with Abraham and that the people of God, composed of Jew and Gentile, shall be vindicated on the basis of faith.
Yes, salvation is cosmic in it's scope, but it is also personal. God's plan is vindicated through Christ's work and, at the same time, believers are made righteous in God's sight.
 
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Yes, salvation is cosmic in it's scope, but it is also personal. God's plan is vindicated through Christ's work and, at the same time, believers are made righteous in God's sight.

I agree, and so would Wright! Which is why I know you didn't watch the video I posted, since in it he says exactly this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN_LSIF9ySk
 
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Horton's review is excellent, as is his analysis in Covenant and Salvation. Whilst Horton takes issue with some of Wright's analysis, there is much agreement on the big picture which is encouraging.

Horton notes:

In one conversation in Oxford, Tom Wright concurred that although he had not read the older
covenant theologians closely, he too was deeply influenced by Vos and Ridderbos.

His conclusion:



The downside to Horton's work, however, is that it is based upon an outdated understanding of covenant based upon the work of George E. Mendenhall which has since been superceeded.
 
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