why was Peter's name changed?

narnia59 · Jun 5, 2008

MamaZ said:
Actually what I am teaching is that Jesus called Peter like He did for Peters benefit and not that of the church.. Peter was the Apostle sent to the circumcised.. Paul was sent to the gentiles. We see also that Paul was Saul..What significance does this have?

I've been researching that a little the last couple of days. The Bible does not say that Paul's name was ever changed. It refers to him only as Saul, also called Paul. Scholars seem to think that Paul actually had both names due to his dual citizenship of being both Jewish (Saul) and Roman (Paul). It is thought he began using the name Paul for a couple of different reasons. First, to separate himself from the life he had led of persecuting Christians (as Saul). Secondly, to emphasize his Roman citizenship as Paul, which we see him doing in the Bible in order to take advantage of this during times of trouble.

MamaZ · Jun 5, 2008

Still His name is Changed.

chestertonrules · Jun 5, 2008

MamaZ said:
Still His name is Changed.

Many people change their name. Not especially noteworthy.

Jesus(GOD) changed Peter's name. That's noteworthy, and if you care about the truth, it's crucial to understanding what Jesus wants for his Church.

MamaZ · Jun 5, 2008

We all know and can read the Jesus told Him He would be called Peter.. It is pretty evident that this is indeed truth. But because of this is not of significance to anyone but Peter. Some called him Peter some called him Simon Peter ect

chestertonrules · Jun 5, 2008

MamaZ said:
We all know and can read the Jesus told Him He would be called Peter.. It is pretty evident that this is indeed truth. But because of this is not of significance to anyone but Peter. Some called him Peter some called him Simon Peter ect

Jesus changed Simon's name to rock, then he gave him authority which is significant to all Christians:

18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Why are you so dedicated to ignoring these crystal clear words?

narnia59 · Jun 5, 2008

MamaZ said:
We all know and can read the Jesus told Him He would be called Peter.. It is pretty evident that this is indeed truth. But because of this is not of significance to anyone but Peter. Some called him Peter some called him Simon Peter ect

Mamaz, your whole reasoning appears to be based on that not all parts of scripture are significant, and that we have to 'add words' to what is said in order to understand what was really meant. And yet Catholics are the ones most often accused of not following the Bible.

MamaZ · Jun 5, 2008

He changed Peters name to Peter.. LOL.. And that would be Petro's .. But that is not the Petra the church is built on.Why would Jesus build his church on a fallable man? LOL.. Makes no sense..

narnia59 · Jun 5, 2008

MamaZ said:
He changed Peters name to Peter.. LOL.. And that would be Petro's .. But that is not the Petra the church is built on.Why would Jesus build his church on a fallable man? LOL.. Makes no sense..

Jesus built the church on the promise of the Holy Spirit to keep it in truth. It makes much more sense that it would be led by a fallible man (and men that are bishops) in an office established by Christ than to each believer -- find your own truth. For there is but one truth, and history has now shown us what happens which each believes the truth is individually revealed to them. For this reason Methodist doctrine is different than Baptist is different that Presbyterian is different than non-denoms is different than the Adventists and the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses and so on. And the spirit of pride allows each to believe they are somehow more 'in tune' with the Holy Spirit than the others.... the others are influenced by mere men while they are listening to God alone. Our own modern day version of the Tower of Babel.

mont974x4 · Jun 5, 2008

Christ never gave control of every beleiver to a single man. We all have a part to play, with Christ alone as the head.

Modern day tower of Babel? That would be rome and it's constant veneration/worship of earthly sites and humans instead of God alone.

chestertonrules · Jun 5, 2008

mont974x4 said:
Christ never gave control of every beleiver to a single man. We all have a part to play, with Christ alone as the head.

Modern day tower of Babel? That would be rome and it's constant veneration/worship of earthly sites and humans instead of God alone.

Jesus wants us to be unified. For this reason he established a Church and gave this church authority:

Matthew 18

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Luke 10
16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 20
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

2 Thes 2
15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

narnia59 · Jun 5, 2008

mont974x4 said:
Christ never gave control of every beleiver to a single man. We all have a part to play, with Christ alone as the head.

Modern day tower of Babel? That would be rome and it's constant veneration/worship of earthly sites and humans instead of God alone.

And who ever said that?

calluna · Jun 5, 2008

chestertonrules said:
Jesus wants us to be unified.

So does the devil. How do we tell the difference?

chestertonrules · Jun 5, 2008

calluna said:
So does the devil. How do we tell the difference?

One rejects the Church founded by Jesus.

Jesus founded a Church, the devil wants to tear it apart.

mont974x4 · Jun 5, 2008

narnia59 said:
And who ever said that?

It's the party line of the roman denomination. You know, like in the unam sanctum claiming that to be saved people must submit to the pope? That's only one example.

calluna · Jun 5, 2008

chestertonrules said:
One rejects the Church founded by Jesus.

That was exterminated, without a doubt. Jews and Roman pagans evidently exerted their influence in forming the emperor's version.

Jesus founded a Church, the devil wants to tear it apart.

The devil wants everyone into one organisation that he controls, if he can.

chestertonrules · Jun 5, 2008

calluna said:
That was exterminated, without a doubt. Jews and Roman pagans evidently exerted their influence in forming the emperor's version.

The devil wants everyone into one organisation that he controls, if he can.

So believe that Jesus founded a Church then the Holy Spirit let it be exterminated!!

I have more faith than you, apparently.

calluna · Jun 5, 2008

chestertonrules said:
So believe that Jesus founded a Church then the Holy Spirit let it be exterminated!!

Can you think of a genuine reason why He should not? Exclamation marks are not a reason.

chestertonrules · Jun 5, 2008

calluna said:
Can you think of a genuine reason why He should not? Exclamation marks are not a reason.

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

This includes you!

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 5, 2008

chestertonrules said:
So believe that Jesus founded a Church then the Holy Spirit let it be exterminated!!

I have more faith than you, apparently.

If it was exterminated, why are there still Christ-ians around posting on CF

calluna · Jun 5, 2008

chestertonrules said:
Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

The gates of Hades refers to the power of spiritual death to overcome the soul, not the power of Satan in the world. Though one can understand those who implemented inquisitions making that error.

There is no promise that there would always be a church- though it cannot be proved that there were no believers in sola fide somewhere in the world from Theodosius to Wyclif.

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