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You could interpret it however you want, wouldn't keep you from being wrong. On the same hand, having X amount of years behind you as "evidence" doesn't mean you've been interpreting it correctly either. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The reason why folk don't get certain things right is simply because the Spirit hasn't finished His work with them yet.
I don't know squat about you, but I love you.
My point actually was that whether they READ it,
or HEAR it (God's words spoken by God directly
or recorded for them in the Bible) isn't the issue.
They will get it or they wont, doesn't matter which
format it's presented in...
Why does someone get confused on something from the bible?
Or something God said in person (as we have read about in the Bible)?
There are a few reasons.
One is that they are spiritually blind and deaf..
but that's because they have HARDENED their own
hearts! They're 'darkened in their understanding'
and "seperated from the life of God"out of
IGNORANCE due to hardening their hearts...
Then there are those who don't desire a diet of meats
but rather of milk..and so milk is all they get.
They are UNSKILLED in the word of righteousness,
meaning one can be SKILLED in handling the Word.
Solid food is for mature Christians , who by reason of
USE have excercised their spiritual senses so that they
can discern what's right and what isn't.
Another is due to not having the spiritual eyes to see.
Unless one is BORN AGAIN, they can't SEE the kingdom.
Another is lack of use of the word, being a hearer only,
and not a doer. What little you have could be taken.
That's one commandment, yes. And thanks, btw.
By their words ... (my guess)How are we to discern between those who have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit to interpret the scripture properly and those who haven't?
By their words ... (my guess)
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
But can't you be "enlightened" and yet still "immature".
So you are saying: if you get it right...(according to my interpretation of what is right) then you are "enlitlented" by the Spirit...Then where is that in the Bible? Does it say that the so and so individual has it right then follow him or if you do not ....eh...you do not have the spirit working in you...That is how this works? So each one of any church would have to say that for themselves... let's see ...how many churches we are seeing that "the spirit is "semi-done" with them?You could interpret it however you want, wouldn't keep you from being wrong. On the same hand, having X amount of years behind you as "evidence" doesn't mean you've been interpreting it correctly either. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The reason why folk don't get certain things right is simply because the Spirit hasn't finished His work with them yet.
For you I would like to say that they could go with tradition, but I can noThere are many convincing words on the baptism thread though, all supported by scripture. How is someone new to Christianity to know which one of the different beliefs concerning baptism are correct?
Where did you get this idea from? Doesn't sound scriptural to me...
How are we to discern between those who have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit to interpret the scripture properly and those who haven't?
That is my question too in a nutshell
So you are saying: if you get it right...(according to my interpretation of what is right) then you are "enlitlented" by the Spirit...Then where is that in the Bible? Does it say that the so and so individual has it right then follow him or if you do not ....eh...you do not have the spirit working in you...That is how this works?
Sorry but you lost me here.So each one of any church would have to say that for themselves... let's see ...how many churches we are seeing that "the spirit is "semi-done" with them?
I don't make that assumption at all, but let's be fair, the RCC believes that it is the only true church with the correct way of interpreting scripture. It believes that millions of Protestants are out of line with God's "True church" and as such need reconciliation. So you won't get much sympathy out of me in regards to "billions" of people not having it right.You think that the billions of Christians that exist (the majority actually) of EO and RC...in this planet "we do not get things right simple because the spirit has not finished His work with them'?
Hmmmm....
Not at all. You're trying to play the role that only God can fill. No denomination membership guarantees salvation. The one who have it right are the ones who trust God and love Him with all their hearts, and are doing their best to live according to the light which they have.On the other hand who from the rest of the Chruches does? that can get sticky...
But it's not really that simple. For it to be that simple you would have to pretend that God didn't give humans language abilities that include metaphor, hyperbole, general poetry, etc.By comparing what they say to what the scripture says. This should be done prayfully.
Example. I tell you that the world was not made in six days with a 7th day acting as a period to the creation of it.
You look in your bible at Gen and see that hey God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. You can compare that to Ex 20:11
See, simple. Creation vs Evolution problem solved.
That's just it... it is possible to be deceived into believing God is with you. Not saying you are/were, just saying Satan himself can disguise as an angel of light. But I'm sure you knew that, it's in the scriptures, which we both greatly enjoy.I questioned trinity for several years and God never left me ...
And He continued to fill me with love for His people and all
else that I had prayed for.
We all have it 'wrong' to a point.
But it's not about who has more 'right'.
It's about life and love.
You sure you understand what SS is?
Simply put: The view that scripture is our only infallible rule of faith.
Has NOTHING to do with interpretations.
It does not require some high level of genius to understand.
No it is not I agree with you. The Bible needs much discernment and in depth study and "a guide" an elder to guide you with it. You go into your room like the Bible says and read it and learn in prayer what it says but you go and get counsel and instruction from your preacher. St. Paul, Timothy etc were the ones who did the instruction for the newly illumined they were not "left to read and figure it out" ...But it's not really that simple. For it to be that simple you would have to pretend that God didn't give humans language abilities that include metaphor, hyperbole, general poetry, etc.
I bet that baptism thread is interesting.
I don't remember seeing that one.
Be blessed "loved one "
But it's not really that simple. For it to be that simple you would have to pretend that God didn't give humans language abilities that include metaphor, hyperbole, general poetry, etc.
There is one verse in particular that I would really like to get the sola scripturians' opinion on.
14I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; 15but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
Many translations use foundation instead of support here. I'm curious, what does this mean to you? I mean, if this verse said "the scripture is the pillar and foundation of truth" sola scripturians would consider it a slam dunk! However, it doesn't. It says the Church is. This sounds to me as if Paul is placing authority in the Church, with Christ at it's head, not in scripture. He is saying that we should look to the Church for truth.
As a sola scripturian, what authority (if any) does the church have? If you find yourself scratching your head to come up with an answer, what does this mean? Is it possible that where you have placed your authority for which determines truth been misplaced?
Problem is that you think Paul thought the way you do, while we think Paul thought the way we do. That scripture in no way shows that man has the authority to create doctrine. The church is the pillar and foundation of the truth because it contains the living word of God. But again, when you think church you probably think EO. When we think church we think the body of believers everywhere.
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