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Whatever!
Besides, where did the information about the so-called lies come from? Let me guess, other nations who hate America!
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2nd April 2003 at 03:22 AM Jutsuka said this in Post #1
Read and react...
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/iraq.htm
2nd April 2003 at 08:45 PM Doctrine1st said this in Post #13
These events are proven to be true:
1. Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
2. Told in advance by Hussein that he might invade Kuwait in 1990, but we did nothing to deter him.
3. No Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border just empty desert.
4. G Bush Sr. continued to coddle Saddam Hussein long after the very gassing incident that is now being used as a pretext for the current war, and how the Reagan-Bush administration went out of its way to arm Iraq
I dont know about the rest of them, but I see no one has taken the liberty to address Jutsuka's challenge to prove that these claims are wrong, and just reject them out right instead.
Now I seriously ask, for all those who think this is outright do you think, given the history of some past events that came to light, that it is beyond the U.S. Government to lie about these or any events to promote whatever agenda it may be?
3rd April 2003 at 01:33 PM Jutsuka said this in Post #16
So all the actions in my first post are true? Then what makes you think the American goverment isn't lying about this war? Any takers?
3rd April 2003 at 06:33 PM Jutsuka said this in Post #16
So all the actions in my first post are true? Then what makes you think the American goverment isn't lying about this war? Any takers?
2nd April 2003 at 02:22 AM Jutsuka said this in Post #1
Read and react...
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/iraq.htm
Today at 02:31 AM Misanth said this in Post #31
I'm sure I could find a link to a site which declares the world is flat
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Today at 08:44 PM Yekcidmij said this in Post #32
Misanth,
Just helping your point. Here is a website with proof of a flat earth
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm
The Moon Is Made Out Of Cheese!
Private Investigator Tom Grant Theorizes
"Green cheese orbits the earth - and my beard, after one of my many midnight dairy smorgasbourds that usually last til around 3am, after I pass out from drinking too much buttermilk." -Tom Grant, PI
World famous Private Investigator Tom Grant has come forth with a shocking new theory.
He has shown proof that the moon that orbits the earth is in fact made out of cheese. Though it's too early to know yet, he theorizes that this cheese is green in colour.
Grant came to this conclusion after NASA refused to let him tag along on the next space mission. He quickly decided that they must have something to hide. He backs up his theory with the following observation: The moon is round. Big Macs are round. Big Macs have cheese on them. Thus, the moon must either be made out of hamburger or cheese. Following an interview with a cow, Grant concluded that the moon is in fact NOT made out of hamburger- though it is quite possible that the hamburger is being manipulated by the cheese.
Grant feels that NASA's reluctance to agree with the theory indicates that they are also being manipulated by the cheese. His theory has already been scrutinized- by a web site titled 'Antagonizing The Cheesy Moon Theory.'
***begin Pentagon excerpt***
As soon as the war with Iran ended, Iraq announced its determination to crush the Kurdish insurrection. It sent Republican Guards to the Kurdish area, and in the course of this operation according to the U.S. State Department gas was used, with the result that numerous Kurdish civilians were killed. The Iraqi government denied that any such gassing had occurred. Nonetheless, Secretary of State Schultz stood by U.S. accusations, and the U.S. Congress, acting on its own, sought to impose economic sanctions on Baghdad as a violator of the Kurds' human rights.
Having looked at all of the evidence that was available to us, we find it impossible to confirm the State Department's claim that gas was used in this instance. To begin with there were never any victims produced. International relief organizations who examined the Kurds in Turkey where they had gone for asylum failed to discover any. Nor were there ever any found inside Iraq. The claim rests solely on testimony of the Kurds who had crossed the border into Turkey, where they were interviewed by staffers of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
. . . .
It appears that in seeking to punish Iraq, the Congress was influenced by another incident that occurred five months earlier in another Iraqi-Kurdish city, Halabjah. In March 1988, the Kurds at Halabjah were bombarded with chemical weapons, producing a great many deaths. Photographs of them, Kurdish victims, were widely disseminated in the international media. Iraq was blamed for the Halabjah attack, even though it was subsequently brought out that Iran too had used chemicals in this operation, and it seemed likely that it was the Iranian bombardment that had actually killed the Kurds.
***end of Pentagon excerpt***
Editors: There is no evidence Saddam used anthrax or any other chemical weapons against the Iraqi Kurds. There have been allegations, but Iraq has always insisted it did not use such weapons in the two 1989 incidents alleged. There were estimates that 1,400 to 4,000 Kurds died of chemical weapons in an Iraqi offensive. The Iraq Defense Minister insisted it did not use gas and that it was neither logical nor feasible to use gas against small groups of Kurds in areas through which government forces had to pass.
The sole "evidence" seems to be the finding of a British laboratory that soil samples in the Kurdish region contained mustard gas (not anthrax). Edward Peck, our ambassador to Iraq in 1977-79, who today teaches at the government war colleges, recalls a Department of Defense statement at the time that the gas used in that region was not of the type we had supplied Iraq for its use in the war with Iran. Nizar Hamdoon, today the deputy foreign minister of Iraq, told me the army had used gas, but only against the human waves of suicide soldiers in the Iranian army. He did not know what kind was used. At the time, I think he was ambassador to the U.S. in Washington.
President Bush himself has cited Iraq's "gassing its own people," specifically at Halabja, as a reason to topple Saddam Hussein.
But the truth is, all we know for certain is that Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds. This is not the only distortion in the Halabja story.
I am in a position to know because, as the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States; the classified version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair.
This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target.
And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.
The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent that is, a cyanide-based gas which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.
Today at 09:11 PM Gordi said this in Post #36
I am convinced! I always knew the moon was made of cheese!
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