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Not waving to someone in traffic isn't a sin.
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Uh yeah. Sin (missing the mark, error) would include actions by yourself that cause pain to another person or involves deception and dishonesty.
Ummm. Yes.
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Sure sin can be evil. Evil is just a strong word. Not waving at someone who lets you into traffic because you are rushed, in a bad mood and late for work could also be sin, but I wouldn't say that's evil. Sin is less what we do wrong and more what we don't do right.
While I would agree that all sin is evil as the Lord said in Gen. 6:6 that every imagination of the thoughts of the heart are evil and that continually I would disagree that God treats all sin as the same. In the Law there are different retributions for different sins. Some required death and others didn't. The Lord Jesus said that it will be more tolerable for Sodom in that day than for those of His generation who did not believe Him. There are degrees of evil and sin. There are other references that I can't recall off the top of my head right now as well that show that there will be degrees of punishment.Not waving to someone in traffic isn't a sin.Anything that separates us from God is evil. Yes, all sin is evil. We may make distinctions between the level of a sin, but God does not. All sin is evil in His eyes.
It isn't atheists who hate Calvinism they just hate any mention of God. It is the religious "Christians" who hate the truth of God. It wasn't atheists who nailed the Lord to that cursed tree it was the religious leaders who thought they were doing God a favor. It will not be the atheist who persecute and seek to destroy but those of your own household who claim to be believers. Religion has taught us to think that the world are those who do not profess faith but the world are those who do, the rest are just heathens. Satan wants folks to join churches and live like believers and be zealous for false religion called 'Christianity" and seek to destroy the truth of God. 2Cor. 11:15 The danger isn't from Islam or Budhist or whatever false religion it is from the false religion called Christianity. You will never experience the utter hatred against you from anyone more than from those who claim to be your brothers.Haha. An ignorance fest of religious fruit loops.I've been wondering if it's atheists that mostly hate Calvinism, but I doubt an atheist would explore Christianity into reformed theology. It would make sense though, since they expect "having a loving God" to mean we should live in a blissful fairyland.
Satan wants folks to join churches and live like believers and be zealous for false religion called 'Christianity" and seek to destroy the truth of God. 2Cor. 11:15 The danger isn't from Islam or Budhist or whatever false religion it is from the false religion called Christianity. You will never experience the utter hatred against you from anyone more than from those who claim to be your brothers.
It isn't atheists who hate Calvinism they just hate any mention of God.
It is the religious "Christians" who hate the truth of God.
It wasn't atheists who nailed the Lord to that cursed tree it was the religious leaders who thought they were doing God a favor.
It will not be the atheist who persecute and seek to destroy but those of your own household who claim to be believers.
Religion has taught us to think that the world are those who do not profess faith but the world are those who do, the rest are just heathens.
Satan wants folks to join churches and live like believers and be zealous for false religion called 'Christianity" and seek to destroy the truth of God. 2Cor. 11:15 The danger isn't from Islam or Budhist or whatever false religion it is from the false religion called Christianity. You will never experience the utter hatred against you from anyone more than from those who claim to be your brothers.
They have the same problem that all unbelievers have, a rebellious heart. They will not submit to the rule of God in Christ. BTW there is no such thing as an atheist there are only those who claim to be atheists. Rom. 1:18-23Actually it's not god atheists have a problem with, it's the GOD of the Bible the God of Christianity they tend to have particular hatred for, and I can understand why.
No, what I mean is that those professing faith hate God as He has revealed Himself in the Scriptures. It isn't a matter of interpretation it is a matter of submission. While they love the Bible, at least how they read into it, they hate the God it reveals. It is a matter of who is God not how we interpret Scripture. That is the root of the problem and if we are to deal with them we must deal with them at the root. Having been a builder most of my life I can tell you that you must get the foundation right or everything you build on it will be wrong.Not according to Scripture, it reaches far beyond mere religious Christians. All non-believers hate the truth of God, and it is pure grace that any should love the "truth of God" as you say. "Religious Christians" love the Bible, it is obvious from Bible sales, what they do not love is the true interpretation of Scripture, correct? Is that what you mean?
He was a Jew just like the rest of the religious leaders of that generation in that region who hated Christ Jesus and feared to loose their power and influence. They acted just like the religious "Christians" today do by not wanting to give up that which they didn't really have to begin with. The Jews of the Old Testament and the New are analogous to "Christianity"( used in the generic) today. They want to bear the name of God but hate God. That is why they shape for themselves a god they can worship and call it Jesus. The golden calf that the people danced around at the mountain they called Jehovah.True, they instigated it, however, a non-believer was in the midst of the disciples and betrayed our Lord.
It is true that persecution in the from of physical harm and death is rampant around the world and I have never denied that. But that form of persecution isn't nearly as dangerous as the more subtle form that comes from those whom we call brothers and who call themselves our brothers. I suspect that you have never experienced the utter desire to kill you from one who claims to be a "Christian" just for telling them about who God is according to the Bible. I have many times. I often get the same reaction that the Apostles got when they preached the Gospel, folks either believed or they wanted to kill them.Persecution, another long discussion, while there is a grain of truth in what you say, atheists do seek to persecute Christians, but I know, you do not get involved. Non-believers of every stripe can and are part of Christian persecution. If you want to see some real persecution, go to China and try preaching the Gospel, or go to a country where Islam is the dominant religion and try preaching the true Gospel of Christ. Perhaps it would shed some light and give perspective.
You didn't read the reference did you? Of course there is more to faith than just assent to facts. Faith rests totally and completely outside of self and in the person and work of Christ alone.But we know there is more to faith than the kind of profession even demons can make, huh?
What passes for Christianity in this generation is false. If you refuse to recognize that fact I make no apologies.I must say, I really do not like how you called "Christianity" false.
I think you just wanted to stir up a little dust and used my use of the word to do it.I believe what you mean is false Christianity is false, but maybe I am a stickler for precision, since precision and truth go hand in hand.
Just visit the soteriology room to get a firsthand grasp of that truth.The irony of the last sentence...I can feel that just browsing the "Trinity Foundation" website, as a Van Tillian, the hatred for anything or anyone holding anything other than a tee-total Clarkian view. Nothing grieves me more than hatred from my brothers, my true brothers in Christ. All danger is from Satan, and it is his influence within the Calvinist camp (actually 'outside the camp' but profess to be within the camp) that concerns me the most, that I want to particularly be on guard against.
Just visit the soteriology room to get a firsthand grasp of that truth.
They have the same problem that all unbelievers have, a rebellious heart. They will not submit to the rule of God in Christ. BTW there is no such thing as an atheist there are only those who claim to be atheists. Rom. 1:18-23
No, what I mean is that those professing faith hate God as He has revealed Himself in the Scriptures.
It isn't a matter of interpretation it is a matter of submission.
While they love the Bible, at least how they read into it, they hate the God it reveals.
It is a matter of who is God not how we interpret Scripture.
That is the root of the problem and if we are to deal with them we must deal with them at the root. Having been a builder most of my life I can tell you that you must get the foundation right or everything you build on it will be wrong.
He was a Jew just like the rest of the religious leaders of that generation in that region who hated Christ Jesus and feared to loose their power and influence. They acted just like the religious "Christians" today do by not wanting to give up that which they didn't really have to begin with. The Jews of the Old Testament and the New are analogous to "Christianity"( used in the generic) today. They want to bear the name of God but hate God. That is why they shape for themselves a god they can worship and call it Jesus. The golden calf that the people danced around at the mountain they called Jehovah.
It is true that persecution in the from of physical harm and death is rampant around the world and I have never denied that. But that form of persecution isn't nearly as dangerous as the more subtle form that comes from those whom we call brothers and who call themselves our brothers.
I suspect that you have never experienced the utter desire to kill you from one who claims to be a "Christian" just for telling them about who God is according to the Bible. I have many times. I often get the same reaction that the Apostles got when they preached the Gospel, folks either believed or they wanted to kill them.
As far as me getting involved you are mistaken. I get involved every time God gives me opportunity to preach His Gospel. I don't target "atheists" though and I don't waste my time debating things with fools.
I take a different view of what "apologetics" is than most of this religious world. The simple fact is that if you can debate what you believe then what you believe is debatable.
What passes for Christianity in this generation is false.
If you refuse to recognize that fact I make no apologies. I think you just wanted to stir up a little dust and used my use of the word to do it.
Just visit the soteriology room to get a firsthand grasp of that truth.
I know most people hate it because they want their happy free will but is it more than that? Some Arminians and Synergists believe that the Reformed theology is evil. Apparently believing in the countless references and biblical teachings to man's depravity and election in the New Testament makes you a filthy evil Calvinist. A huge ignorance fest, as theologian James White would say.
Look at this picture. I know the Bible says we will be persecuted for our beliefs, but dang. This is just a shame.
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I'm sorry, this is funny.
Haha it is man.
Can I ask what's so funny?
Can I ask what's so funny?
If I were to replace "Calvinists" with "Americans" in this photo (of which I am one), and still found it funny, would you understand the humor without feeling like I'm belittling another group of people?
Isn't sin just 'missing the mark'? Error?
It's a mockery of the Holiness of God. Sin is often selfish, often about self, all while the chief purpose of man is to glorify God. Sin is irreverent showing no fear of the Lord, no concern for the purposes of God. It's far more than just missing the mark or error, and as you probably know, the efforts which are made to minimize sin and maximize self.
You put it well.
I suppose though that 'missing the mark' could be a good way to put it too as it is shown that the mark is really not possible for one to hit. Catch my drift? And I think sin is hebrew is 'missing the target' or something.
That is what Paul referred to as the 'curse of the Law'.I know little about Hebrew language and cultural background. In our day "missing the mark" is too often spoken in a flippant manner followed by some sort of excuse or attempt at self-justification, kind of like "well, nobody's perfect" or "who hasn't sinned?"...these miss the mark of what sin is and aim to shed responsibility. And I am as guilty as anybody of making those kinds of remarks, which seem to originate from the sin of pride. Good point about the mark not possible to hit, not in self, nor while living in the flesh.
I know little about Hebrew language and cultural background. In our day "missing the mark" is too often spoken in a flippant manner followed by some sort of excuse or attempt at self-justification, kind of like "well, nobody's perfect" or "who hasn't sinned?"...these miss the mark of what sin is and aim to shed responsibility. And I am as guilty as anybody of making those kinds of remarks, which seem to originate from the sin of pride. Good point about the mark not possible to hit, not in self, nor while living in the flesh.
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