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I think God is evident. You just choose not to acknowledge Him.
Sure you do. You just choose not to acknowledge Him.
That all depends upon your definition of God. Some people were known to worship the Sun! Now if you wanna proclaim the Sun as your God; that's fine! But don't go proclaiming things to this God that the Sun obviously doesn't do!If there is a scarecrow out in your yard, how do you know he is not made of snow?
Duh, because a scarecrow is made of straw right?
God BY DEFINITION is a necessarily existing being.
I think God is evident. You just choose not to acknowledge Him.
If God was evident, then humans throughout history would have had very similar views about what God is. Instead, we've had wildly varying views of mono or polytheistic gods, many of which are mutually exclusive or otherwise completely incompatible. Not to mention people who never developed the concept of a god (and yes, there are cultures that fall into that category).
Basically, if God was evident, there'd be no need to debate so much about him. The very reason forums like this exist is because God is clearly not evident, which calls for a lot of discussion or debate about what God is, or if it even exists at all.
That all depends upon your definition of God. Some people were known to worship the Sun! Now if you wanna proclaim the Sun as your God; that's fine! But don't go proclaiming things to this God that the Sun obviously doesn't do!
Ken
Ah. The 'everyone already knows god exists' argument. I love this one, because it utterly destroys itself.
Your assertion is predicated on information that you do not, and cannot possibly, possess. But I do possess it. All I need to disprove this assertion is knowledge of at least one person who does not know your god exists. As it happens I do know of such a person - me.
To put it another way, your argument is contingent on information known only to me. As such, you have effectively granted me the ability to discern, with 100% certainty, that your god does not exist. Thanks for that.
P1 - Jeremy's god is a being that everyone knows exists
P2 - I do not know Jeremy's god exists
C - Jeremy's god does not exist
Perhaps you should find yourself a good "choir" to preach to. With us it would be more effective if you would at least attempt to answer some of our questions, or admit you can't.I think God is evident because He created the world and all that is within it. Humans included.
Since God is love, He would create us in such a way that His existence would be undeniable. And it is. Yet people deny He exists. The Bible speaks of such people as fools. Fools because in professing to be wise, they have become fools and worship themselves rather than the One who made them.
You see, subjects like sin and righteousness and worship and honor and reverence leave a bitter taste in the mouth of the proud. For the one who worships himself, worshiping God is simply not something he is willing to do.
Jesus said it so well when He said: "How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?"
So we can get past the silly notion that you do not believe because there is no evidence. You do not believe because you do not like the fact that in believing, you must acknowledge you are not God. You would have to admit the world does not revolve around you but one greater than you. Disbelief stems from a refusal to honor God as He deserves. Disbelief is a result of idol worship, a deliberate and intentional violation of the first commandment.
I know of many people who say they are Christians, do not worship God the way you do. They never mention God, never go to Church, never honor, worship or give glory to the God they claim to worship. They just go through life as if this God doesn't exist.While we are able, let us get past the formalities and get to the heart of why you two are atheists shall we?
The two of you are unbelievers because you cannot bear the fact worship honor and glory are due to one other than yourself.
While we are able, let us get past the formalities and get to the heart of why you two are atheists shall we?
I think God is evident because He created the world and all that is within it. Humans included.
None of that has anything to do with belief - you could know for a fact that God exists and still not choose to worship him. Isn't that what a bunch of his closest servants decided to do?You see, subjects like sin and righteousness and worship and honor and reverence leave a bitter taste in the mouth of the proud. For the one who worships himself, worshiping God is simply not something he is willing to do.
I don't believe God exists, nor do I believe I am God obviously - I have no supernatural powers. Never understood that accusation, of wanting to be God or thinking of yourself as God - ridiculous, easily disproved accusation.So we can get past the silly notion that you do not believe because there is no evidence. You do not believe because you do not like the fact that in believing, you must acknowledge you are not God. You would have to admit the world does not revolve around you but one greater than you.
Refusal to honor God doesn't depend on disbelief of Him. One could believe and still refuse to honor. So, again, this notion that disbelief stems from dislike is not valid.Disbelief stems from a refusal to honor God as He deserves. Disbelief is a result of idol worship, a deliberate and intentional violation of the first commandment.
I think God is evident because He created the world and all that is within it. Humans included.
Since God is love, He would create us in such a way that His existence would be undeniable. And it is. Yet people deny He exists. The Bible speaks of such people as fools. Fools because in professing to be wise, they have become fools and worship themselves rather than the One who made them.
You see, subjects like sin and righteousness and worship and honor and reverence leave a bitter taste in the mouth of the proud. For the one who worships himself, worshiping God is simply not something he is willing to do.
Jesus said it so well when He said: "How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?"
So we can get past the silly notion that you do not believe because there is no evidence. You do not believe because you do not like the fact that in believing, you must acknowledge you are not God. You would have to admit the world does not revolve around you but one greater than you. Disbelief stems from a refusal to honor God as He deserves. Disbelief is a result of idol worship, a deliberate and intentional violation of the first commandment.
While we are able, let us get past the formalities and get to the heart of why you two are atheists shall we?
The two of you are unbelievers because you cannot bear the fact worship honor and glory are due to one other than yourself.
While we are able, let us get past the formalities and get to the heart of why you two are atheists shall we? The two of you are unbelievers because you cannot bear the fact worship honor and glory are due to one other than yourself.
Yup, it the classical "I know your beliefs better than you do" type of projection. Anyone who studies public speaking and/or some form of rhetoric knows you can't persuade someone if you can't get their stance on the subject matter right. Otherwise your knocking down a straw-man.Ah this daft old chestnut.
Not worship yourself = you worship yourself.
Except funnily not worshipping Christ =/= worshipping Christ.
Consistency is nice.
While we are able, let us get past the formalities and get to the heart of why you two are atheists shall we?
The two of you are unbelievers because you cannot bear the fact worship honor and glory are due to one other than yourself.
Yup, it the classical "I know your beliefs better than you do" type of projection. Anyone who studies public speaking and/or some form of rhetoric knows you can't persuade someone if you can't get their stance on the subject matter right. Otherwise your knocking down a straw-man.
The two of you are unbelievers because you cannot bear the fact worship honor and glory are due to one other than yourself.
The two of you are unbelievers because you cannot bear the fact worship honor and glory are due to one other than yourself.
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