I´m pretty sure that you, just like anybody else, insist on the "opiate" logic - except in those cases where logic becomes inconvenient to you.
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I´m pretty sure that you, just like anybody else, insist on the "opiate" logic - except in those cases where logic becomes inconvenient to you.Logic is the opiate of the Atheist.
For you that's true.
I´m pretty sure that you, just like anybody else, insist on the "opiate" logic - except in those cases where logic becomes inconvenient to you.
Just a few posts ago you said you didn't hold a primacy of consciousness metaphysics but here you are again talking about something being true for me but not for you. Priceless.
I never used the term "primacy of consciousness" you heard that somehow. You seem to translate everything into Randphonics.
Its not arrogant because I know the presence of the spirit but make no claim of an absolute knowledge of or comprehension of the I AM.
I don't think Atheist are low, only too smart for your own good.
many of the atheist that I have encountered look down on religionist with snide contempt! Bill Maher actually made a movie about it.
I wasn't talking about understanding God fully.
I'm not saying that you personally are arrogant (you could be the most humble person in your neighborhood for all I know), but your position is essentially arrogant because you think that you can correctly claim that God's existence is self-evident without further substantiation. You seem to think that you can avoid logic altogether in making that claim -- that you are above logic itself, and indirectly atheists -- which does fit the definition of arrogance: "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities".
So, we're "too logical" and now "too smart" as well. Keep 'em coming.
Yes, no doubt. There are Christians who look down on atheists with snide contempt as well. Neither justifies the other.
However, I'm not trying to evaluate anyone's character. A position can be arrogant without the person being snide or contemptuous.
eudaimonia,
Mark
"I don't have a primacy of consciousness metaphysics created by a self important women to weak to quit smoking, to proud to ask for help, forced into Social Security and Medicare in contrast to her life long conservative philosophies."
Are these not your words? Ayn Rand did not "create" the primacy of consciousness principle. It is explicitly affirmed in the Bible in Mathew 17:20 and in Genesis as well as many other places. It goes back at least as far as Plato who held the primacy of consciousness in his metaphysics.
Whether or not Ayn Rand smoked or collected social security (which she paid into more than most people will earn in their lifetimes!) has absolutely nothing to do with the truth of the principle. It obtains whether Ayn Rand had an affair or not. How pathetic that you have to resort to ad hominem attacks because you are incapable of dealing with the idea.
Your statement that something is true for me but not true for you regarding a fundamental principle is an affirmation of the POC and elsewhere you explicitly rejected the POE. This is what happens when you take things on faith. You also accept all of the premises which are implicit in the concept. This is why you keep making these errors. I think you need to put down the Urantia Book and pick up a copy of Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology.
The personal testimony of an anonymous on an internet forum about his own spiritual birth is very far from being proof or even only evidence.I can testify about my spirit birth and relationship with God, however no amount of proof will satisfy someone who hasn't personally experienced such an unanticipated, indescribable transformation.
Whatever uncharitable preconceptions help you through the night....This would be particularly true of persons who consciously work against it. Even when presented with the miraculous the Atheist goes to work trying to explain away the obvious because such a cognitive dissonance would mean that you would have to let go of many of your own cherished beliefs.
Logic is the opiate of the Atheist.
So, we're "too logical" and now "too smart" as well. Keep 'em coming.
The personal testimony of an anonymous on an internet forum about his own spiritual birth is very far from being proof or even only evidence.
So your assertion that "no amount of proof" will be satisfactory or convincing is baseless.
I imagine that it´s very unfortunate and frustrating to be empty handed when it comes to supporting one´s personal experiences - but blaming this fact on the audience is, well, a convenient side-tracking.
Whatever uncharitable preconceptions help you through the night....
You have to wonder who the target audience for this product is when the marketing uses "too logical" and "too smart" as insults towards outsiders in an attempt to create a bond with the marks. It reminds me of a quote from "Bob" of the church of the subgenuis. It won't make it through the filters here, but search for "Bob and they'll treat you like an equal" to see what I mean.
I get confused when you use these narrow terms, POE or POC. When you say that I support the POC would it be my consciousness or Gods that I'm supposedly advancing?
The term "too smart" obviously tweaks the Atheist position, but let me be more clear. Too smart in this context would be akin to the bright, know it all child who refuses his parents wise council, maintains a belligerent state of mind wherein he or she can only learn things the hard way. Sometimes, years later when they themselves become parents, they then see the wisdom which their parents had worked so hard to convince them of.
Former Atheist that I know look back at how childish and hard headed their position had been. They are embarrassed at having taken themselves so seriously. But to be fair they describe the spirit birth as being something super-intellectual, a reality that they had never, could never comprehend until they were ready.
When the pupil is ready, the teacher will appear.
I don't lack proof sufficient for myself, the Atheist who joins a Christian form of people who know God, is the one at the disadvantage. Your doctrines of doubt are what is in need of defense, we aren't lost here.
Aren't their Atheist forms where doubters can commiserate over the doctrines of ultimate meaningless in eternal death?
I don't lack proof sufficient for myself,
Since you are the one unable to substantiate which you would us believe you are the one at the disadvantage, in these discussions.the Atheist who joins a Christian form of people who know God, is the one at the disadvantage.
"My doctrine of doubt"?? Please don´t make up positions for me - it makes you look dishonest.Your doctrines of doubt are what is in need of defense, we aren't lost here.
I don´t know and I don´t care. I am here on a forum for conversations between Christians and non-Christians.Aren't their Atheist forms where doubters can commiserate over the doctrines of ultimate meaningless in eternal death?
You actually mean, when the psyche is ready, the teacher will appear.
I can testify about my spirit birth and relationship with God, however no amount of proof will satisfy someone who hasn't personally experienced such an unanticipated, indescribable transformation. This would be particularly true of persons who consciously work against it. Even when presented with the miraculous the Atheist goes to work trying to explain away the obvious because such a cognitive dissonance would mean that you would have to let go of many of your own cherished beliefs.
Besides, we don't approach God through the miracle, we approach the miracle through God.
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