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You're placing the blame in the wrong place.hmmm wasnt it King David in the bible who saw the woman washing on the roof and couldn't help himself - he had to have her. And then it lead to murder etc...? And he surely had enough wives that he should have been able to "control" himself.... Nudity here led to a lot of sin, and I'm sure it started out innocently enough...
Because of conditioning and it not being a common thing in our society. Anything out of the ordinary affects how we act.I'm sure I've read somewhere that rape tends to actually be more about "control" than sexual desire, so the clothing or lack of, is probably not an issue there... but a beautiful naked person can elicit desire... maybe not so much when they are cold and passed out on an operating theatre table, but alive and moving... that's another thing altogether! I'm a STRICTLY one man girl, and when I'm in a loving relationship, I don't look at other men with any lust whatsoever.... but at the moment it's been a LONG time for me and if I saw a hunky naked man walking down the street, I'd be feeling it...
IOW you're not secure.I'm not going to argue any specific viewpoint here but I would like to touch on these scriptures because I think they are being misrepresented.
In 2 Samuel 6:14 David did not dance naked before the Lord but rather:
"David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the Lord with all his might."
A linen ephod is a hip-length sleeveless pullover which was worn by those who served the Lord at His sanctuary, and is to be distinguished from the ephod to be worn by the high priest. Several verses later, in 2 Samuel 6:20, Michal the daughter of Saul objects to David's dancing:
"When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, 'How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, disrobing in the sight of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!'"
Michal is objecting to the fact that David was wearing only a linen ephod instead of his royal robe. David responds by saying, in essence, that the robe is to exalt himself, but David was seeking to exalt the Lord.
Also, in regards to the prophets preaching naked, the only prophet I know of who preached naked was Isaiah (though TBH I am not very familiar with the books of the prophets). Isaiah 20:1-4 reads:
"In the year that Tartan came to Ashdod, when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him, and he fought against Ashdod and took it, at the same time the LORD spoke by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, 'Go, and remove the sackcloth from your body, and take your sandals off your feet.' And he did so, walking stripped and barefoot."
"Then the LORD said, 'Just as My servant Isaiah has walked stripped and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and Ethiopia, so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians as prisoners and the Ethiopians as captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt."
So Isaiah's nudity was meant to be a representation of the shame which was to come upon Egypt and Ethiopia. Public nudity in the Bible is often used as a sign of shame. It is why the soldiers stripped Jesus of his garments at the cross.
In regards to nudity, I don't think it is something that can be said to be all good or all bad. Being raised in western society, I personally believe that most displays of public nudity are inappropriate. Some people might go to a nude beach and not have a problem with it, but I would prefer to be / have a spouse who is a little more modest.
Also, I would caution against arriving at a conclusion on an issue like this and then going to the Bible to find verses to support that conclusion. What often happens is, as you see here, things end up being read into the scriptures which aren't really there.
Tell that to the porn industry and Sports Illustrated Swimsuit EditionImagination not needed and yet the end result is the same...
I don't know you at all and this isn't a persoanl attack. I would wager there were other things that were problems besides nudity. The mental and emotional aspects of a relationsip are often over looked. I don't think a relationship based on sexual raltionships will last, ever.This is a topic that I have had affect me greatly... I personally don't find anything wrong with nudity or a naked body... beautiful... but private.... and definitely not a public thing... I don't care how beautiful nudity is, the world cannot handle it... simple... except for maybe when we have heaven on earth and sin has been removed??? Until then, nudity creates lust and sin... I used to feel like my ex-husband "cheated" on me when he looked at other women naked (tv, beach, etc)... and it hurt... I don't think this world is perfect enough to be able to deal with nudity in it's pure form....
Just a thought.... does anyone think Angel's are naked? I would be interested to see if God even clothes his angels - even though we don't see them (all the time I mean)????
Remove the curent consequences and I wager that one would see a different picture and would indeed see people naked in public daily.This comes up all the time on here.
The bottom line I feel is this: those who seem to suggest that there is nothing wrong with nudity and are all for it (nude art, looking at drivel like Sports Illustrated front covers with models on the front with the sorry excuse that it's "tasteful", saying it is a "cultural" thing)...
Tomorrow morning - don't bother putting clothes on, just get out of bed and go to work, uni (or wherever in public) naked and I will interested to see if anyone comes back on here saying they did. Seems they are all for it, but won't walk the talk. If there really is no moral obligation or Biblical passages condemning it...do it. And see how far you get.
No amount of Bible verses will convince some people nudity (aside from exceptional circumstances such as doctors, carers etc) is sinful outside of marriage.
I would disagree. I think it is more for protection outside the garden.God didn't clothe them because they were naked. He clothed them because they were ashamed to be naked. It was an act of mercy, not a moral prescription.
To Rev Ross - reading your posts I think to myself "finding a partner who genuinely feels no sexual attraction to the opposite sex other than your wife" is a most admirable and desirable trait... I would love to be able to appreciate that sentiment. My last bf and I had some issues over this subject and that is why I am getting so much out of this thread... I am not sure I can really believe it is possible though. It was my inability to handle seeing nudity thrown at me via the telly, on the beach, in magazines, etc that caused me quite a bit of anxiety... Due to past pain with a partner and pornography my reactions are most definitely OVER-reactions, but tend to only be present when I am in a relationship and I feel as though the partner is cheating by looking and appreciating (or not appreciating as may be claimed).
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That being said, the nudity I am talking about is SEXUALISED nudity and used in movies, etc with the intent to titillate and my spirit is very sensitive to this area of sin, having been exposed to it quite extensively...
And yet in other regards, I really would hate it if the world was a big nudist colony... there is lust in this world (how many non-puritan people are REALLY out there) and disease (ugh hygiene could be a huge issue - think even of herpes and thrush, etc) to consider this a tangible reality surely... not to mention no-one can discern the thoughts of a person (apart from God), and I would never send my beautiful girls out in the world naked to be exposed to who knows what?...
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