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I must say that is going to be a rather long read, so I'll warn you of that in advance. I think I will start out in saying why I don't support Obama. When asked by Pastor Rick Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life, "At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?", Obama responded that "Answering that question with specificity (was) above (his) paygrade." http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/16/se.02.html This is a question which deserves a straightfoward answer, not a response where the candidate is trying to sidestep the issue at hand. As Illinois state senator, Obama voted four times over a three year period against legislation to protect the lives of babies who SURVIVED an abortion: bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx and ifrl.org/ifrl/news/080403/1/. I encourage you to read about Gianna Jesson, the 17 year old survivor of an abortion. There are many websites where you can read her story. The money Obama is proposing to take out of our American economy adds up to billions of dollars. Regardless of what has been said, this cannot be accomplished without greatly increasing taxation on businesses, which of course, would be passed on to us. I myself am in no position to pay even more out! Obama voted for a bill that authorized "comprehensive" sex education beginning in kindergarten because he said, "It's the right thing to do." freerepublic.com/focus/news/2079415/posts. I am a mother of a young child and I wholeheartedly disagree. This is my and my husband's territory, not the government's! Think about your children and grandchildren and what they would be taught at such a young age. Under Obama, a minister could actually be charged with a federal hate crime for preaching from a biblical passage that addresses homosexuality (bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=27510). This in itself is refusing people the freedom of speech. How much control are we willing to allow the government to have over us? In pursuing freedoms, it seems some people would actually imprison us to where we actually don't have the freedom of speech unless they agree with what we want to say. This is not freedom. This in itself is discrimination. A country where anything and everything goes except for morality is bound to fall. No matter what your religious beliefs are, I hope you think truly hard about this upcoming election and know your facts before you vote. I have already written so much, but I could still say much more. I have been told to vote for the person, not the party. I am not voting for the party. I am voting for the morals first, and the economy and protection from terrorism secondly. Joe Biden admitted that under his and Obama's leadership, there would be an international crises within 6 months, but to just trust them. They haven't given me reason to trust them. Obama announced his decision to run for President after only 143 days in the U.S. Senate. This is not an office to take so lightly. Sarah Palin has much more experience, and it is being said that she doesn't have the experience for the Vice Presidential office? What about someone with less experience for the Presidential office? People want a change, but we do not need to go blindly and choose any change. If things seem bad now, I don't believe we can imagine how much worse it could be with Obama and Biden in leadership. I do not care one bit the color of someone's skin. I actually heard that a woman said she was voting for Obama because he is an African American. This should not be about someone's race at all. McCain and Palin are pro-life and pro-family. When I was pregnant with my son, I took a test that was supposed to tell me whether he had Down Syndrome or not. I was informed after the results by someone that there were false positives. About 90% of babies who are diagnosed with Down Syndrome while still in their mother's womb are aborted. Not that this is the point, but how many of those were "false positives"?Read Psalm 139:13-16. Again, I could say so much more. This is an election that is more significant than I think many people realize. I see that Obama is a gifted speaker and is typically well-composed. However, this is not what makes a good presidential candidate. When John McCain says to "look at the facts", I do hope that is what people are actually doing.

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Let me help you and your readers. eta: I should edit so you can be quoted

 
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The "Obama voted to kill babies" issue has been addressed and put to rest many times so I hope you will spend a minute or two looking into WHY he (and many others) voted the way they did.

You will always pay taxes. And sometimes you will pay more. Obama or no Obama. Thats a fact of life.

Comprehensive sex ed is good. Again, if you spend a minute looking into it you will see that it doesn't mean teaching kindergartners how to copulate. Or whatever it is you are so worried about.

Noboby is spying on church sermons to hear what ministers say about homosexuals. But honestly, if someone makes it their Mission to spread the "biblical word" that homosexuals should be stoned to death or something they SHOULD get in trouble. Wouldn't you agree?

Sarah Palin has no experience and that is evidenced by the many Republican's who are now endorsing Obama JUST BECAUSE MCCAIN CHOSE HER. No other reason.

I believe you are incorrect about many things but you should vote for who you want to vote for. My parents are voting for McCain as well, because he is old and white and as lifelong republicans they can relate to him. People vote for Obama for the same kinds of reasons. And those reasons are sure no worse than the reasons you gave!!!
 
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Rebecca,

Everything you posted I have said myself before and I agree with you. Like the quoted portion of your post above, I am also pretty concerned about ministers and ministries being charged with hate crimes for preaching the full gospel.

There are so many things that Obama supports that concern me greatly. These issues are indeed very serious and the impact it could have is significant.

Great Post!!!
 
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That was very helpful of you to edit and it sure does make it easier to read.
Well, some folk write with text editors or word processors. It's the same thing that happens when you write something in word, paste to an email and the format comes out wrong. I hate when that happens.

Any way, most of her points are incorrect and have been refuted through out the political forum. I'm sure others will come to the rescue. I think I'm going to go and find Charlie Brown's great pumkin vid on the net. Tis the season!

eta: and there's the fact that the OP doesn't really state why she's voting for McCain but rather why she's voting against Obama.
 
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The "Obama voted to kill babies" issue has been addressed and put to rest many times so I hope you will spend a minute or two looking into WHY he (and many others) voted the way they did.

Bama said he didn't want his daughter punished with a baby! Nough said.
 
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Obama was answering the question honestly, McCain was answering the question in a manner that panders to the religious right. Don't fall for this gimmick, republicans have capitalized on the abortion issue for years--they don't plan on doing anything about it--just pretending to be on your side to get your vote. This is what George W. Bush did in 2000 and 2004.


These are smears, and not indicative of reality. You can read about Obama's positions and the truth here: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/15/wildaccusations


Obama has clarified his economic plan numerous times. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#small-business


Obama has clarified this:

"'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,'" Obama told the Daily Herald. "'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

The legislation Obama supported also envisioned teaching kindergarteners about how to recognize "
inappropriate touching."
Article here


No one can be charged with a hate crime for merely preaching. This is about protecting the rights of homosexuals, in which there are orchestrated efforts to turn them into second class citizens--and preventing those kinds of bigoted and intolerant policies from becoming law is not discrimination.

Sarah Palin has much more experience, and it is being said that she doesn't have the experience for the Vice Presidential office? What about someone with less experience for the Presidential office?

First, Sarah Palin does not have more experience. Second, experience is a meaningless mantra as merely having experience does not equal better ideas, judgment or decision making abilities. For example: George W. Bush has almost 8 years experience as the President of the United States, does this mean that if it were possible for him to run again--he should get it because he's the most 'experienced'? Of course not. We've seen how terribly his Presidency has been. Moreover, many conservatives don't like Jimmy Carter because of how poorly his Presidency was. Yet before being elected, he had an enormous amount of 'experience'.

So this talk about 'experience' is totally without merit and entirely meaningless. 'Experience' has proven to not be an indicator as to who's better prepared for the job, or who's going to be a good President. Period.


Obama is immensely popular because of his vision and ideas for America. His political platform is appealing and people want to hear a positive message, not endless negativity, slimes and smears like those which have been coming from the McCain campaign.

The reality is that we're in two wars, the economy is in trouble, Americans are worried about their life savings or pensions, and McCain wants to tell them about Bill Ayers. He's out of touch with the American people, and he's losing the election because of it.
 
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Bush made it clear that he wasn't sending activists to the SCOTUS and did a good job there. Bama on the other hand has made it clear that he does not support the only rational judges we have. Nuff said.
 
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Ah yes, John McCain and his abortion stance waffling. It's interesting how his voting record in regard to abortion is all over the place and he has wavered on his stance several times. Now he's all gung-ho about babies and talks about how Roe vs. Wade should be repealed.

You know what else I find so amusing? All of these lifers who cry, "but Obama said his daughter's baby would be a punishment! Wah! He hates babies!" are the same people who make comments like, "if she had sex she should have to suffer the consequences of her actions!" So who makes the baby a punishment, pray tell?
 
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Thanks so much for editing Braunwyn! It definitely was needed! Sphere, experience does matter in many ways. I wouldn't want a surgeon to operate on me who was fresh out of medical medical school. I would want someone with experience who had a good record. You can argue about what constitutes a good record, and I understand that. But, I don't want to be a guinea pig for the inexperienced. There can be an argument for anything and everything and your mind seems to be made up about your views, yet so is mine, so debating about it is futile.
 
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This isn't about debate, this is about the fact that we've seen 'experienced' men like George W. Bush and Jimmy Carter become bad Presidents, and men with virtually no experience like JFK and Lincoln become great Presidents. History has shown that 'experience' (or lack thereof) is not a good indicator as to who will become a bad president or good president.

McCain and Palin have consistently demonstrated they have poor judgment, continue to make poor decisions, and still have no ideas for America. This is why they're losing the election. Because Americans are worried about the state of the economy, they're worried about losing their homes or jobs, and McCain wants to tell them about Bill Ayers.

McCain and Palin are out of touch with the American people. And it's going to cost them dearly on November 4th.
 
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Which is a reasonable answer if you, like Obama, believes these matters are for god alone to judge.


What exactly are you talking about?

I myself am in no position to pay even more out! Obama voted for a bill that authorized "comprehensive" sex education beginning in kindergarten because he said, "It's the right thing to do."

It is when such education is designed to help such children be able to identify what child sexual abuse is.

Under Obama, a minister could actually be charged with a federal hate crime for preaching from a biblical passage that addresses homosexuality.

That's not what hate crimes are.

I am voting for the morals first, and the economy and protection from terrorism secondly.

What are you thoughts about the moral implications of the war we've been waging against the people of two different nations?

McCain and Palin are pro-life and pro-family.

By opposing things like universal health care/insurance and withdrawing troops from Iraq, they've not demonstrated that at all.

Read Psalm 139:13-16.

Read Exodus 21:22-23.

When John McCain says to "look at the facts", I do hope that is what people are actually doing.

Yep... and the facts say he's a fraud, just like he's always been.
 
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Bush made it clear that he wasn't sending activists to the SCOTUS and did a good job there. Bama on the other hand has made it clear that he does not support the only rational judges we have. Nuff said.

Have you ever READ anything written by Justice Thomas? Rational he is not.
 
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I would want someone with experience who had a good record.

Neither McCain nor Palin possess these.

There can be an argument for anything and everything and your mind seems to be made up about your views, yet so is mine, so debating about it is futile.

Are you suggesting that you cannot be wrong about this?
 
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Both sides have inexperienced people on the ticket. At least Obama has Biden backing him up. Guess who becomes President if McCain passed away or was otherwise unable to fulfill his duties as President during his term? Surprise! Sarah Palin would be POTUS and she has very little experience and, honestly, very little knowledge even about the position she would be filling as VP.
 
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Hi Becca Lynn,

I think this is a really good exercise, and I like seeing people who can explain their vote before they go pull that lever.

I don't actually agree with your choice - I think Obama's temperament, judgement, intelligence, understanding, and steadiness are just what we need right now - but I actually think we are smarter as a people than I am as a person. I'm glad to see you put the effort in to give an informed vote.

Jonathan
 
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Bama said he didn't want his daughter punished with a baby! Nough said.

Nough of what? I don't want to be punished with a baby either but thats usually how gals feel about having to bring to term an unwanted pregnancy.

Surely you aren't basing your entire opinion of Obama on that one comment?
 
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